killatopak
Gold Member
No. It's like you're putting your head in the sand. I'm not saying FIA is worth it for the mass consumers, I'm saying it's the reason they're not allowing offline saving. Whether it pays off or not, I don't care.
Racist shit.
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Gran Turismo Sport is extremely limited in offline mode (no saves, unlocks, etc..)
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Racist shit.
Isn't the official description of the Announcement Trailer just great in hindsight?
"Building on its legacy as the most realistic and accessible driving simulator,
GT Sport has partnered with the FIA to push the boundaries of racing games.
In addition to everything you'd expect from a GT, the team at Polyphony and the FIA
are introducing an online racing series that will be recognized alongside real world motor racing by the FIA."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h-Kycm8Jxo
"Building on its legacy as the most realistic and accessible driving simulator,
GT Sport has partnered with the FIA to push the boundaries of racing games.
In addition to everything you'd expect from a GT, the team at Polyphony and the FIA
are introducing an online racing series that will be recognized alongside real world motor racing by the FIA."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h-Kycm8Jxo
GHG
Member
It's gone in a different direction, it was clear from the demo and some of us enjoyed the demo a great deal. Some of us are happy with the new direction having tried it. It's ok if you don't, things change from time to time and all you get left with is good memories.
lol
You're on the road to nowhere.
Inside the hardcore who follow the game before release, maybe. .but GTS is seen as the next GT to the masses. Also the GTS threads were full of people saying the game has a stronger online focus but the single player was robust and defending it. So there's that.
To simplify, takes advantage of the pvp nature of the game, usually something running actively that is modifying the communication between the clients and the server. Rather than something that has simply modified the values in a savefile. Easier to do on PC, you have to do a whole roundabout thing on consoles which is why it's not as prevalent.
Being forced online where you previously weren't, is a legitimate gripe to have. Especially when that reason is to allow people to (almost) get a FIA license.
Sorry, but I don't think allowing something as enjoying offline or saving offline is an overreaction at all.
Fess
Member
Are you sure about that?
The AI drivers in both Forza and GTS has smashed me left and right, it's super stressful to be too close to them since you never know when they'll hit you and spin you off the track. Project Cars 2 is apparently better but I haven't played real races enough to confirm that myself.But I get what you're saying, offline you won't have to deal with douche gamers. I'm an offine gamer too. One of the reasons I'll sit on the fence this time even though I'm a big fan of the previous games. From my point of view they've destroyed everything GT stands for, the big campaign, car collecting and upgrading. Hopefully they add this stuff later on so I can jump off the fence.
i don't even care so much that 90% of the game is locked behind an online connection. what kills me is that even in the one mode that you -can- play offline, you can't even use with all of the tracks and cars (and there aren't even that many to begin with!). if i want to drive nurburgring out of the box with custom conditions, online or off, i'm SOL.
as far as i am aware, no other purported racing sim willfully locks off tracks and cars behind arbitrary rank requirements. it's clearly not something that was mandated by FIA, so what is the point?
i'm still in, since sport mode is basically iracing lite and that is incredibly appealing, but some of the choices around the arcade mode are just baffling
as far as i am aware, no other purported racing sim willfully locks off tracks and cars behind arbitrary rank requirements. it's clearly not something that was mandated by FIA, so what is the point?
i'm still in, since sport mode is basically iracing lite and that is incredibly appealing, but some of the choices around the arcade mode are just baffling
soundscream
Member
Are you sure about that?
But I get what you're saying, offline you won't have to deal with douche gamers. I'm an offine gamer too. One of the reasons I'll sit on the fence this time even though I'm a big fan of the previous games. From my point of view they've destroyed everything GT stands for, the big campaign, car collecting and upgrading. Hopefully they add this stuff later on so I can jump off the fence.
Yeah I know to stay the fuck away from them, and know when and when not to press.
clarknova156
Member
Then Im passing. Fuck this kinda crap. How sad I was legit excited for this. What the fuck is with AAA developers lately?
test_account
XP-39C²
I understand. It does sound like having server values can still be tricked in those cases. Maybe harder than to modify a save game though.
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, the Nurburgring is a level 20 unlock. Have no idea how long that will take me, as it depends upon earning racer XP which is kind of nebulous, and as you'd expect each level takes a lot more than the previous one to unlock. But there are also all kinds of weird secondary objectives (driving X amount, spending X mileage on items, completing X event, etc) you can complete that offer up various amounts of bonus XP, so I really have no practical idea of how long this road is.
One thing it has done is get me to spend time on the other tracks I may not have, and try to master them, and it applies a level of progression for those who might otherwise miss the career modes of old. So at least in the early going I can see a reason for it, and can run with that reason. If the grind gets to the point where it feels out of reach I'll change my tune.
LordOcidax
Member
Some of the arguments here are just a plain joke.. Damn.. Comparing an iconic offline/single player franchise, like Gran Turismo with an new franchise online/multiplayer game aka Overwatch... just to justified this shit is just insane. BTW, is a shame, because i loved the driving physics of this game... But i thought this was just because the beta state.
lol
Ugh
I think it's an overreaction from some people when they are saying the game is trash and shitting on it because I always took that the game was going to be online required for progressing because it was different from a mainline GT. I'd hope if there is a mainline GT than it wouldn't have this requirement but for something like this I don't see the issue. I can see why people are dissapointed and it's fair for them to be but I think this was mainly communicated and I never played the beta and only read a few updates on the game itself.
PaulBizkit
Member
Fair enough. But Overwatch is a new game on its own. GT is a franchise, everybody expects GTS to have SOME sort of offline game mode, otherwise, how do you explain the reactions on the first page?
But this is the mainline GT this gen.
People absolutely knew what Overwatch was.
This thread is proof that the message on GT Sport wasn't clear enough.
I think a lot of people assumed it was another "Prologue" style title. This is a very dramatic departure from the usual GT formula.
The vast majority of people wouldn't have hunted down the PS Blog article, Youtube videos, etc. They would have quietly anticipated the new GT game that was shown during E3 / GTS / whatever.
Unless it was called "GT Sport Online", I don't think they could have avoided this outcome.
It seems more like a prologue to me from everything I've ever seen of it. So maybe it is but I never got that impression.
What is wrong with you?
This is a dumb comparison, that makes no logical sense, no matter how many times it is posted.
People that are paying attention aren't saying this. No-one is saying the game is trash...unless I missed that one person.
The game is great. Losing or not gaining any progress (in single player content) because your internet or the servers go down would suck though.
Apparently adding that detail to the OP did nothing.
It does say "Internet required for most functionally" right on the box...at least on the limited edition
Agreed about it feeling more like a Prologue but their are comments from Kaz himself stating that this is basically "7".
I agree with you.
Ganzlinger
Member
As a GT fan, this game isn't for me. Hopefully GT7 will be the game I want for this gen.
isaacnukem
Member
I'm surprised about the outrage. Surely people would have already known by now. I knew, that's why I'm not getting the game.
Also, great timing, Ars, right at release.
Also, great timing, Ars, right at release.
This is 7. Unless it completely fails just expect DLC for the rest of the gen.
eSports is a serious business.
And? He is still right.
LordOcidax
Member
I have a bad news for you...
GTS=GT7
Has anyone here actually gave a good explanation as to why you can't at least save your progress when offline?
Like, I can at least understand the other stuff, but I can't think of any explanation that would make me say "Ah ok, that actually makes perfect sense, good on Polyphony!"
Like, I can at least understand the other stuff, but I can't think of any explanation that would make me say "Ah ok, that actually makes perfect sense, good on Polyphony!"
Vicetrailia
Member
I thought that this was always an online game.
NullPointer
Member
Possible save modifying is the only one that makes some sense. But as others have said it doesn't seem to be a problem for other devs who make similar games.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
- Servers can go down temporarily
- Your connection can get lost temporarily
- The online service will be discontinued at one point, rendering the game almost completely useless, even if you have the best internet connection in the world
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Game with a focus on online is online. What a shock.
Saves the game on a server like most online games.
GT Sport, a game that is online.
Saves the game on a server like most online games.
GT Sport, a game that is online.
The demo was online as well.
CouchMaster
Member
You're burning through that alt real quick man.
clarknova156
Member
Please stop saying this everyone. Obviously they did a POOR job communicating the online requirements of this game. Many people like myself purposefully avoiding reading previews , watching YouTube videos as to not spoil the final experience. Many people dont fucking know what an FIA is. If you took the average PlayStation gamer who has played GT in the past its very unlikely they would know that this new version has such strict requirements.
You guys are basically victim blaming and its not cool. The fact that so many of you are pushing blame onto people who expected a similar to the past GT experience is just unreal.
isaacnukem
Member
I'm not victim blaming. Why not push this article earlier when, you know, people haven't preordered yet.
The internet connection in my area has been shit lately. I would be totally out of luck if I was playing this game and my internet went down like it has been doing often.
Totally unacceptable, I'm glad I didn't preorder this game.
Totally unacceptable, I'm glad I didn't preorder this game.
jellies_two
Member
Yes.
But it saves every 15 minutes anyway so keep playing when the connection comes up it will save.
Clearly the player records are stored only on the servers. For what reason I don't know. they could have been a bit slicker about this like caching a copy and syncing maybe they will do so at some point. No biggie.
Sure, but there is a difference between a free demo and a $60 product wouldnt you say. Also while I enjoyed the driving in the demo it did crash ~5 times trying to connect to servers I think. Not something I would want to pay for.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Victim blaming? Get the fuck out with that shit.
You're literally blaming everyone else because you failed to research what you were buying. All the information is out there, if you choose to ignore if you only have yourself to blame.
Not really, why would a demo have online requirements and the final game wouldn't?
PD actually specifically sent out a notice in the demo as a heads up that the way the demo acts in regards to online requirement is not the way the final game is. And while technically true (since arcade mode is available offline in the final game, whereas you couldn't access it in the demo without an initial server check), I don't blame people for thinking that progress could be saved offline because it wasn't clear about that.
Because the demo was timed and allowed for some carry over to the full game.