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extreme+ version is coming tomorrow right? that should give more honors
LordGorchnik
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Is the Boots and Blades event even possible for someone who is only rank 20? Characters are only around levels 35-40 and only using a few SSR weapons.
Not sure if I should bother wasting my 40AP or not.
Not sure if I should bother wasting my 40AP or not.
i think you should try to level up more first, you can do it if you request for backup, but the honors you gain will be so little it wont be worth it
back when i started, i skipped the street fighter event and took advantage of the half AP to progress really far in the story while leveling up
You can still get the free SR though, right? I would get that, maybe the lowest hanging fruit on the reward scale, and that's about it. There will be plenty of other events to grind grind grind
This event is weird, I should be able to do much better on Druj but I can't get a single debuff to land on him. Usually get between 20 and 30k honors, unless I join the wrong raid and he dies in 2 hits
I do Luminara while I'm at work and Bahamut/grand order while I'm home so I'll just miss some Luminara this week for this event. I'll wind up getting more fodder from the event than Luminara likes to drop
I do Luminara while I'm at work and Bahamut/grand order while I'm home so I'll just miss some Luminara this week for this event. I'll wind up getting more fodder from the event than Luminara likes to drop
Dedication Through Light
Member
Im that rank and only 9 star
And its possible to do all but the raid battle there at the end, and all the raid events you can get like around 2000 - 4000 honors and lots of tickets to keep doing the draws.
Se7enSword
Banned
This. I had to skip the Street Fighter event too as it was impossible to collect materials without using several elixirs.
level up first and build a decent enough weapon pool.
You can still get the free SR though, right? I would get that, maybe the lowest hanging fruit on the reward scale, and that's about it. There will be plenty of other events to grind grind grind
This is what I did (rank 16). For the Raid portions I requested back up and just got the free SR character.
Felessan
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Just got a hint that you can MLB rusty weapon using Steel Brick from casino (500k chips) if you are rich enough (like me who got 2 super bingo on 100k table over around 2.5k games). Now I am no longer depeds on Bahamut luck to get my bow ready for further upgrades and need Light Trial to start farming a lot of light stuff.
Alright. So this is a thing that's been said a lot but I'm not quite sure I understand it. what do you guys mean by a decent weapon pool. Can someone link me a guide that's helpful and a brief tldr?
Read this:
http://gbf-english.proboards.com/thread/595/weapon-summon-optimisation-progression
It's complicated and hard reading, but it'll eventually make sense.
Regarding the Weapon/summon Optimisation and progression guide:
There's no need to read it all in one go (probably there's no need to even read it all unless you are pretty invested already). Most of that doesn't even matter to new players. I would actually recommend anyone interested to take a look at the index, keep in mind which mechanics they want to learn about and get to it.
If anyone doesn't know where to start, both the "Damage calculation" and the "Weapon Optimisation" sections are a must eventually, unless you plan to use a damage calculator, so it's a good place to start - the first few sections explain basic mechanics and should be read eventually, but there is no need to read about last stand if you don't have a weapon with that skill and you can't get one (it'd be better if you read about it, but we all have time constraints and all).
Point is, it IS a tough read, but most of it doesn't even matter to new players: Understanding the mechanics comes first, then comes fiddling with their weapon pool and working towards an optimal setup. In fact, I only recommend the aforementioned Weapon Optimisation section to help pick sucha setup.
I.e. I want to eventually build a [2 Unknown : 1 Bahamut 30% : 7 Magna double magna summon] setup (since the only Baha weapon I can use in my team is the Harvin/Human Pistol and I'm not crazy enough to grind 2), but in the mean time I am working towards [2 Normal : 2 Unknown : 6 Magna].
It's important to know what you should be striving to get, but I think some might be discouraged when first seeing that wall of text.
There's no need to read it all in one go (probably there's no need to even read it all unless you are pretty invested already). Most of that doesn't even matter to new players. I would actually recommend anyone interested to take a look at the index, keep in mind which mechanics they want to learn about and get to it.
If anyone doesn't know where to start, both the "Damage calculation" and the "Weapon Optimisation" sections are a must eventually, unless you plan to use a damage calculator, so it's a good place to start - the first few sections explain basic mechanics and should be read eventually, but there is no need to read about last stand if you don't have a weapon with that skill and you can't get one (it'd be better if you read about it, but we all have time constraints and all).
Point is, it IS a tough read, but most of it doesn't even matter to new players: Understanding the mechanics comes first, then comes fiddling with their weapon pool and working towards an optimal setup. In fact, I only recommend the aforementioned Weapon Optimisation section to help pick sucha setup.
I.e. I want to eventually build a [2 Unknown : 1 Bahamut 30% : 7 Magna double magna summon] setup (since the only Baha weapon I can use in my team is the Harvin/Human Pistol and I'm not crazy enough to grind 2), but in the mean time I am working towards [2 Normal : 2 Unknown : 6 Magna].
It's important to know what you should be striving to get, but I think some might be discouraged when first seeing that wall of text.
Story mode isn't hard but for the raids, you will have to count on high levels to help you do obligatory raids for the story.
Just send a help request and wait a bit, they always come to help.
This isn't a slight against anyone in particular, but linking the weapon optimization guide when someone asks how to start building a proper weapon pool is like someone asking how to speak English and then handing them a guide to grammar. It's a great resource when you have some idea what you're doing, but before that point it's really not helpful.
Went from 2m to 500k at 100k table, then from 500k to 100k at 10k table (yes, that's 40 games lost in a row at 10k, it wasn't broken up by a few wins) switched to poker to get back to 500k before doing bingo again
Hey Falk here's your (useless) consolation prize! Wow, how lucky you are, enjoy your 50k max payout
edit: if you're wondering, it's not Royal Straight Flush because it needs to be an Ace, not a Joker. Joker disqualifies from Royal Straight Flush.
Hit nail on head, really. Optimization guide tells you what works, but does so before really telling you why.
In terms of progression most sane people are going to have a bunch of SRs, some not even limit broken, with skills up to 3 or 4, before working on bits and pieces of it for best-in-slot. It's stupid begging for scraps at the table with Omega raids and not being able to do much else in the interm because you're aiming right for a bunch of MLB SSR weapons just because a guide told you to, and in the meantime you don't have a bunch of temporary stat sticks to get you through content.
Hey Falk here's your (useless) consolation prize! Wow, how lucky you are, enjoy your 50k max payout
edit: if you're wondering, it's not Royal Straight Flush because it needs to be an Ace, not a Joker. Joker disqualifies from Royal Straight Flush.
Hit nail on head, really. Optimization guide tells you what works, but does so before really telling you why.
In terms of progression most sane people are going to have a bunch of SRs, some not even limit broken, with skills up to 3 or 4, before working on bits and pieces of it for best-in-slot. It's stupid begging for scraps at the table with Omega raids and not being able to do much else in the interm because you're aiming right for a bunch of MLB SSR weapons just because a guide told you to, and in the meantime you don't have a bunch of temporary stat sticks to get you through content.
Weapon pool Cliff's notes (are Cliff's notes even still a thing?)
It's important to note that weapon pool provides a few things:
- It's the damage source for ALL your characters. Some get more damage from your pool than others because of weapon type preference but the pool feeds everyone's damage not just the main character.
- it also provides additional hit points above the base character stats. Can be useful in tough battles to pad that out a bit.
- the main weapon drives your character's element, his ougi (special attack) and you can only use certain weapon types in the main slot depending on the job of your main character. The other weapons in the pool are just for stats and skills (increased attack, increased hp, increased double attack, etc)
New player
Your job as a new player is to collect the highest attack weapons you can find regardless of element or weapon skill. None of that means much to you at this point. You are strictly looking to fill 10 slots with high attack weapons. You probably have a few SR characters, maybe an SSR or two if you bought one or rerolled during legfest. Chances are they aren't all the same element. Fill that weapon pool with anything you have and get. Run events to get some shiny new SR weapons and maybe an SSR if you are real lucky.
Not quite as new. Reached rank 30
After awhile you have filled out that weapon pool with a mishmash of weapons based on their attack. Element is all over the place, rarity is a healthy mix of SR and maybe a character SSR or event SSR. Now you need to settle down and start thinking about working toward a single element. This will be based on characters you have. Find some strong SR or build around that SSR you pulled. Pick an element and start focusing on that. What does this mean? This means you need to start working on raids. Say your element is wind. What you need to do whenever you have 5 EP is hit that raid button and look for a tiamat omega raid. If you don't see one, try again in 5-10 min. When you spot one, be quick. It dies so fast you will barely have time to join the raid. Spam the button to join, pick any old friend summon. Don't think, no time. Pick whatever team you have selected and let it load. Once it loads, close that call for help window ASAP and spam attack. You may wile completely after that attack but who cares. You need to do damage or debuff the enemy to get credit. Doesn't matter if you are wiped. After doing that hit, you can hit the home button and when the raid finishes you will see it in the pending battles screen. Collect your rewards.
What rewards? Well you will get some rainbow weapons which are used to level up your real weapons. These are super helpful. You will get a quartz looking crystal which is used to create gold animas (more on that later). You might see a dragon scale for that element. Those are rare and useful later. Good stuff. You may get lucky and get the actual tiamat summon. That's good stuff. You want it and want it fully uncapped and leveled eventually. Short term it will only be useful as a stat boost but long term it will provide the backbone for your weapon pool.
The real prize is the weapons. You may get an SR weapon. These are great either as fodder for skilling up good weapons or as new additions to your growing weapon pool. If it has an attack skill attached to it, keep it, add it to your pool. Level it up, uncap it with subsequent SR weapons and skill it up to 4 or 5. You want to fill your weapon pool with these magna SR attack up weapons. The skill will add a percent damage increase to that element.
Now if you are super super lucky, you may get an SSR weapon from that raid. These are what you need. This is what you will be grinding for month after month after month. You want to eventually fill your weapon pool with 6-7 SSR magna attack up weapons. Some aren't going to be attack up (sadness) but can still be used for fodder to skill up.
To improve your chances at the good stuff, you need to host your own raids. Even if you can't do more than dent them, hosting gets you a red chest. Whereas the normal gold chest has about a 1% chance at a SSR weapon, red chest is closer to 10%. To host your own omega raids you need 3 gold animas of that type. I.E. 3 gold tiamat animas. To get those you need to farm the hard version of tiamat. You can do that through progression, killing the normal then you have access to the hard. Same rules apply as above, you get a red chest for hosting the hard and a red chest for MVPing it. You can get silver animas, gold animas or SR weapons. All good stuff. Silver you can turn into gold in the shop using the quartz crystals I talked about above and 3 silver animas. Work toward being able to solo the hard raids. You can do 3 of each type per day. Try to do them all. Get those animas and host your own omega raids.
There's a lot more to talk about. But it's all covered in the weapon optimization guide and the ultimate guide. By the time you reach rank 40-50, you'll know more than enough to make good use of those guides.
Personally I have reread them every couple weeks and gotten more out of it each time. I understand how it is daunting for complete newbies though so maybe this will help.
Btw. I typed this out on mobile. So excuse typos, weird auto corrects and brevity. I feel like a novel would barely be enough to fill in the early game knowledge gaps in Granblue.
Edit: added a little summary of what a weapon pool is at the top.
It's important to note that weapon pool provides a few things:
- It's the damage source for ALL your characters. Some get more damage from your pool than others because of weapon type preference but the pool feeds everyone's damage not just the main character.
- it also provides additional hit points above the base character stats. Can be useful in tough battles to pad that out a bit.
- the main weapon drives your character's element, his ougi (special attack) and you can only use certain weapon types in the main slot depending on the job of your main character. The other weapons in the pool are just for stats and skills (increased attack, increased hp, increased double attack, etc)
New player
Your job as a new player is to collect the highest attack weapons you can find regardless of element or weapon skill. None of that means much to you at this point. You are strictly looking to fill 10 slots with high attack weapons. You probably have a few SR characters, maybe an SSR or two if you bought one or rerolled during legfest. Chances are they aren't all the same element. Fill that weapon pool with anything you have and get. Run events to get some shiny new SR weapons and maybe an SSR if you are real lucky.
Not quite as new. Reached rank 30
After awhile you have filled out that weapon pool with a mishmash of weapons based on their attack. Element is all over the place, rarity is a healthy mix of SR and maybe a character SSR or event SSR. Now you need to settle down and start thinking about working toward a single element. This will be based on characters you have. Find some strong SR or build around that SSR you pulled. Pick an element and start focusing on that. What does this mean? This means you need to start working on raids. Say your element is wind. What you need to do whenever you have 5 EP is hit that raid button and look for a tiamat omega raid. If you don't see one, try again in 5-10 min. When you spot one, be quick. It dies so fast you will barely have time to join the raid. Spam the button to join, pick any old friend summon. Don't think, no time. Pick whatever team you have selected and let it load. Once it loads, close that call for help window ASAP and spam attack. You may wile completely after that attack but who cares. You need to do damage or debuff the enemy to get credit. Doesn't matter if you are wiped. After doing that hit, you can hit the home button and when the raid finishes you will see it in the pending battles screen. Collect your rewards.
What rewards? Well you will get some rainbow weapons which are used to level up your real weapons. These are super helpful. You will get a quartz looking crystal which is used to create gold animas (more on that later). You might see a dragon scale for that element. Those are rare and useful later. Good stuff. You may get lucky and get the actual tiamat summon. That's good stuff. You want it and want it fully uncapped and leveled eventually. Short term it will only be useful as a stat boost but long term it will provide the backbone for your weapon pool.
The real prize is the weapons. You may get an SR weapon. These are great either as fodder for skilling up good weapons or as new additions to your growing weapon pool. If it has an attack skill attached to it, keep it, add it to your pool. Level it up, uncap it with subsequent SR weapons and skill it up to 4 or 5. You want to fill your weapon pool with these magna SR attack up weapons. The skill will add a percent damage increase to that element.
Now if you are super super lucky, you may get an SSR weapon from that raid. These are what you need. This is what you will be grinding for month after month after month. You want to eventually fill your weapon pool with 6-7 SSR magna attack up weapons. Some aren't going to be attack up (sadness) but can still be used for fodder to skill up.
To improve your chances at the good stuff, you need to host your own raids. Even if you can't do more than dent them, hosting gets you a red chest. Whereas the normal gold chest has about a 1% chance at a SSR weapon, red chest is closer to 10%. To host your own omega raids you need 3 gold animas of that type. I.E. 3 gold tiamat animas. To get those you need to farm the hard version of tiamat. You can do that through progression, killing the normal then you have access to the hard. Same rules apply as above, you get a red chest for hosting the hard and a red chest for MVPing it. You can get silver animas, gold animas or SR weapons. All good stuff. Silver you can turn into gold in the shop using the quartz crystals I talked about above and 3 silver animas. Work toward being able to solo the hard raids. You can do 3 of each type per day. Try to do them all. Get those animas and host your own omega raids.
There's a lot more to talk about. But it's all covered in the weapon optimization guide and the ultimate guide. By the time you reach rank 40-50, you'll know more than enough to make good use of those guides.
Personally I have reread them every couple weeks and gotten more out of it each time. I understand how it is daunting for complete newbies though so maybe this will help.
Btw. I typed this out on mobile. So excuse typos, weird auto corrects and brevity. I feel like a novel would barely be enough to fill in the early game knowledge gaps in Granblue.
Edit: added a little summary of what a weapon pool is at the top.
My main goal right now is to max skill level my GW hand, and that's gonna take a lot of skill fodder.
Edit: To add to the above post, you can get Omega Animas for the 4 main elements from Co-Op. Every day (is it every day?) there's three easy missions you can do, and each one gives you one Mission Point, which you can spend 1:1 for an Omega Anima (up to 3 times per rotation). There's only a limited number of them, you'll have to draw every item in the rotation before the stock refreshes but it still beats doing raids and hoping for an Omega Anima if you're really thirsty for the mats.
Edit: To add to the above post, you can get Omega Animas for the 4 main elements from Co-Op. Every day (is it every day?) there's three easy missions you can do, and each one gives you one Mission Point, which you can spend 1:1 for an Omega Anima (up to 3 times per rotation). There's only a limited number of them, you'll have to draw every item in the rotation before the stock refreshes but it still beats doing raids and hoping for an Omega Anima if you're really thirsty for the mats.
And I'm sure the first card for double up was an 8.....
They could make higher hands in poker so much more desirable by removing the 50k limit and just keeping it maxed at 10 rounds, and while they're at it, stop making draws cost a round. One time I was cashed out at 6400 just because I had 4 draws and ran out of rounds
In commish's defense I did ask for a guide. That being said that guide is very confusing... lol.
Holy shit, thank you so much!
dakkumauji
Member
all i got from the event's story is now i'm waiting for a ssr stan to finish this tale
Oh yeah, forgot about the guide I read before.
Hey guys, here's a much better progression guide than all the other "reference" guides which is just rough to read when you're just starting.
http://xiei.moe/games/granblue-fantasy/granblue-fantasy-progression-guide-ver-alpha/
Hey guys, here's a much better progression guide than all the other "reference" guides which is just rough to read when you're just starting.
http://xiei.moe/games/granblue-fantasy/granblue-fantasy-progression-guide-ver-alpha/
Maybe this would work out for folks, it's still huge, but a bit more step by step. Xiei's Progression guide.
http://xiei.moe/games/granblue-fantasy/granblue-fantasy-progression-guide-ver-alpha/
http://xiei.moe/games/granblue-fantasy/granblue-fantasy-progression-guide-ver-alpha/
I've found strange how Stan and Aliza were saying that they already traveling with me and for a long time during the story.
I was like "who're you ? XD"
Anyway, his character developpement is nice.
On the other hand, having story events/fate episodes/side quests only have the main cast can get a bit boring.
Dedication Through Light
Member
I think a brief mention of whatever EXP Boost on weapons means as well as what to do with these Fury Pebble/Fury Stone looking weapon things are would have been helpful.
Nah these guides aren't all that good. Try this one.
http://xiei.moe/games/granblue-fantasy/granblue-fantasy-progression-guide-ver-alpha/
I meant they had 0 introduction so that was kinda awkward for me to actually care for them at the begining then Stan grew on me.
Anyway, that trio always make laugh (≧∇≦
They really like Katalina, lol
I feel so bad for starting Druj raids and only being able to take out like 2% of his total health before asking for help.
Sorry Trick Room bros
It's better to ask for help first and attack after a couple of helpers have joined. They will most likely debuff Druj and help you deal with it's attacks a bit better - think of it as being efficient. "Help them help you help us all"
Portal reference, I couldn't resist
I meant they had 0 introduction so that was kinda awkward for me to actually care for them at the begining then Stan grew on me.
Anyway, that trio always make laugh (≧∇≦
They really like Katalina, lol
They do build off of former events and from gacha as well. There was an Aliza event in the past actually. Otherwise, you'd have met Stan as a Wind R.
Exp boosts weapons are strictly there as fodder for other weapons.
Feeding a fury pebble is the equivalent of 2 rare weapons with skills when trying to level up weapon skills. A fury stone is the equivalent of 4 rare/1sr weapon when feeding
Oh, I see.
It was my first time meeting them.
I would've liked to see those previous events
Thanks for the info.
I got a R Stan from the LegFest so I wasn't completely unfamiliar with him, and I think there was an Aliza in the Granblue Fighter V event too?
Oh, I see.
It was my first time meeting them.
I would've liked to see those previous events
Thanks for the info.
Well everything is fully translated. Just have to find an english player that played back then to record it. The event gave SR Aliza back then too, I don't think they'll be rerunning it anymore since you can get her with the single CD coming out in June.
I dunno, I think the first few sections of the guide do a perfectly fine job of laying out the basics for a noob. It's what I used when I first started
But I definitely agree that the whole thing is daunting at first because the weapon system in this game, and the guide to said system, are so complicated.Perhaps Im missing something or Im just understanding whats going on conceptually but it seems like weapon pools are pretty easy to grasp. I understood from the get go that the values contribute to the total strength of the MC but did not know it extended to the party. Additionally, I was not aware that the skills for each weapon contribute to the party as well. It seems like the main weapon only contributes the element really so it seems pointless to try and create a weapon pool of all the same weapons.
At this moment I have about 6 SSR weapons and the rest is filled with SR weapons. My goal right now is to max out every single weapon in the pool. Eventually it seems like my goal is to go raiding and just leech off of it so I can fill up my weapon pool with raid weapons. Does that sound about right? Anything Im missing?
At this moment I have about 6 SSR weapons and the rest is filled with SR weapons. My goal right now is to max out every single weapon in the pool. Eventually it seems like my goal is to go raiding and just leech off of it so I can fill up my weapon pool with raid weapons. Does that sound about right? Anything Im missing?
I can add to garath's guide as a 2 month newb that people should not negate the magna SR when farming your weapons. a MLB, Max lvl SR is usually equivalent or better to a plain or even 1LB SSR in terms of stats. A skill 4 SR has the same boost as a skill 1 SSR, and you'll get way more SR before you can field enough magna SSR.
So to start off you should work on getting enough MLB magna SR for your pool so that you can start farming and hosting your own omega, because you get much better drops in your own raid than joining someone else. Hoping to get the right SSR by joining other raids is soul crushing, and if you do no damage you're not getting renown to trade either.
So to start off you should work on getting enough MLB magna SR for your pool so that you can start farming and hosting your own omega, because you get much better drops in your own raid than joining someone else. Hoping to get the right SSR by joining other raids is soul crushing, and if you do no damage you're not getting renown to trade either.
That's a good simple way of putting it. Here's your priority list with first being most important once you get into the kick of things:
Elemental weapon skills > weapons stat > weapons rarity > weapon type
Ultimately, it's the skills that really matter and determine your output more so, not the raw atk, once you get into midgame.
dakkumauji
Member
yes, max level whatever weapons you have now, don't really worry about their skill levels though
pick an element and start going ham on running the raids for the sr/ssr weapons
Yeah, SRs are much easier to get. I added a few to my pool and it helped a ton.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Easily wasted 1800 crystals on the current premium draw thing and got nothing of note
TatteredHat
Member
I've just decided to start maxing out any SR Collo weapons with Attack Up that I have available now, while getting the skills to 4. I've yet to see a single Collo staff, so hopefully this'll atleast help a little bit.
You're mostly right. The skills is what makes the pool long term and most of them are element based, the skill only affects characters of that element. I.E. for tiamat there are four SSR wind weapons she drops. Two have HP skills so worthless. The remaining two, the fist and gun have different stats and skills. The fist has lower base attack and a high damage skill. The gun has higher base attack, a medium damage skill and a last stand skill which causes attack to go up as your HP goes down. At 85% HP or less, for the most part the gun is better. So you'll see a wind pool with 6-7 guns, then the bahamut weapon (which gives 20% damage increase to a particular race) and a couple normal weapons (since too many omega weapons have diminishing returns apparently) and the summon said person will use will increase that omega skill bonus 100%. So there is a method to the madness of farming the same element and weapons to put in the pool.
Easily wasted 1800 crystals on the current premium draw thing and got nothing of note
Best to only draw during legend fest. Usually happens once a month near the end of the month. Doubles the chance of a SSR.
If I'm focusing on Grand Order, is there a certain element I should focus on? I have Eugen, Eustace, and Katalina.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Oh one last thing, whats the "+ mark" thing mean. Like my Hauteclaire or Tyrant Bow are both +2.
That's something I don't have an answer for. There's actually a section of the weapon optimization guide talking about a grande order weapon pool. It sounds like you are still going to build a single element weapon pool but it will only benefit two characters. So build it around your attackers. So in your case - earth. Your main character should be a support type like a bishop or holy saber probably since he won't get the weapon pool skill benefits.
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