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Grand jury declines to indict police officer in fatal shooting of 12yr old Tamir Rice
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If true in the USA, I'm not sure how you can sell toy guns.
Toy guns are less dangerous than real ones.
That would be the height of irony. Ban toy guns to help prevent gun violence by police.
Not surprised by this shit anymore. The system has failed. Never worked in the first place but anyway.
psynergylover
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This one really hurts me, I know us blacks shouldn't have much hope in the justice system but damn, I really thought this was the case where the family of Tamir Rice would get justice; Tamir didn't "run" didn't "resist" didn't mouth off, etc. the usual rhetoric that gets thrown around these events. Here was a kid minding his own business then in second was shot dead; disn't even have time to react.
What hurts even more was the history of the officer; he was basically fired from another precinct because he was UNFIT to be a cop! just how he get hired? Then you have the prosecutor who is suppose to be the voice of Tamir Rice and his family and he basically says "He looked bigger(aka intimidating) for his age...A fucking 12 year old who basically just started puberty.
This just really hurts me man
What hurts even more was the history of the officer; he was basically fired from another precinct because he was UNFIT to be a cop! just how he get hired? Then you have the prosecutor who is suppose to be the voice of Tamir Rice and his family and he basically says "He looked bigger(aka intimidating) for his age...A fucking 12 year old who basically just started puberty.
This just really hurts me man
White Lives Matter More. Copy that.
once the "look at the size of him johnson!" card or the "comin right at me, and look at the size of em!" comes out, the outcome is pretty certain. People believe this shit. Genuinely believe it, and it sickens me. Its half our fucking nation, if not more. I've heard suspect shit from liberals too: "well she shouldn't have disturbed the class..."
We are fucked in this nation, its a pretty brutal reality that these things just verify every hour.
How is she still alive??????
White people waving guns at police, or other people, have a 90% chance of not being killed. Its just how it is.
TheShocker
Member
I see you have a KC avatar.... You from the area? I'm a officer in the metro area and am seeing "the writing in the wall" as well.
That said, in this situation I don't think I would have done what these officers did. I definitely would have given myself a better tactical approach and given commands. From there it's on him what he does. It's not like this was an active shooter where seconds mattered. I've been in various situations with black people, white people, men and women, real guns and fake guns alike and have not shot anyone.
That ruling hurts.
I've got a twelve year old son myself who is brown. This case, perhaps more than any other recent example of police violence, has really affected me. I don't let my sons play with their airsoft guns in our neighborhood any longer.
White Americans can't (or won't!) understand the fear that these shootings create in the black community. I don't know what it's going to take to stop the violence. Each month, there is some horrible violation of rights by a police officer, and I think "this will be the tipping point", and it never happens. Mainstream America is one part malevolent and four parts apathetic when it comes to black lives, is what I've grown to understand.
I've got a twelve year old son myself who is brown. This case, perhaps more than any other recent example of police violence, has really affected me. I don't let my sons play with their airsoft guns in our neighborhood any longer.
White Americans can't (or won't!) understand the fear that these shootings create in the black community. I don't know what it's going to take to stop the violence. Each month, there is some horrible violation of rights by a police officer, and I think "this will be the tipping point", and it never happens. Mainstream America is one part malevolent and four parts apathetic when it comes to black lives, is what I've grown to understand.
Angelus Errare
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How is she still alive??????
If your skin is white, you'll most likely live tonight.
Urgh...
So you are saying the US doesn't has a problem with police brutality with a quick-draw mindset overall, but only a racism problem? K.
Jerm411
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I live southeast of the city, small town...work up here though.
DonasaurusRex
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How is she still alive??????
you see the one with the guy and a real gun standing on the busy street, cops gave him a therapy session and he was clearly off his rocker.
One directly feeds into the other
jackissocool
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Revolution is not the act of an individual
Jag
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I think we do understand the fear even if we don't live it. It is fucking terrifying. I have a 12 year old son too. I know he's safer from the cops than your kid, but it doesn't make it any less horrible. I think we're all 100% apathetic when it comes to change. We just don't know what to do.
Infiltrating is a just another way of saying invited. Fuck the police.
To be really honest, and I have spoken about this during the Trayvon thread, we all still have it TOO good to honestly ever really go towards revolution.
We are all upset now but lets get real...football gonna come on tonight? Lebron gonna be hooping tonight. Kanye/anther rapper going to release a song in a few weeks, and we will all be comfortable once again.
Status quo will be maintained, and there are a lot of factors at work in play here. We are content with this.
When I was a kid, I had an arsenal of toy guns and weapons. We used to play army, cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, etc. Shit, we even had BB guns.
The idea that in 2015 a child can get killed by the COPS for running around with a nerf gun on a PLAYGROUND is terrifying.
The idea that in 2015 a child can get killed by the COPS for running around with a nerf gun on a PLAYGROUND is terrifying.
JCreasy
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Found the answer to my own question. The source is pretty obscure, but looks like others have pondered this very topic and have come up with interesting evidence.
More Female Officers Defuse Violent Policing Style
http://womensenews.org/story/law/150127/more-female-officers-defuse-violent-policing-style
Here is the report they site in the article . . .
http://www.womenandpolicing.org/PDF/2002_Excessive_Force.pdf
A massive cunt.
NYT:
Jumping the curb into the park and rolling up next to the kid wasn't a split second decision. "Benefit of the doubt" in this instance basically means cops can't do anything wrong. Get the fuck out of here about "respecting the process" in a system that's corrupt to the core.
Why not all of the fucking above? I'm not arguing a position. Just the reality as a person of color here. I can be gunned down for anything, some questionable pics will come out, hes no angel, and the police will walk. I know white people can walk while being white, without being gunned down. Its both, but racism fuels the acceptance of executing less desired citizens.
Its brown people, any brown will do. From India to the Congo. Then its the mentally ill who also get the same careless treatment. All to be supported by other voting citizens here.
Its a fucked up spot to be in. The straight up truth is that my fellow americans are 100% accepting of these executions because of victim blaming reasons. Really hard to keep up a positive outlook in America.
I was happy that Trump is stirring up the shit-stain pile, to bring all the assholes to the top. But now I fear that the districts these assholes are being stirred up, are going to become even more abusive towards minorities, with a happy voter demographic supporting it.
It wasn't a Nerf gun, it was an Airsoft gun, with the orange tip removed. The situation is plenty fucked up in reality: no need to exaggerate or misrepresent it.
Perhaps the thread title should be updated a bit to reflect the grand jury decision.
And here's the full statement by McGinty.
Cuyahoga County Office of the Prosecutor: "Statement from County Prosecutor Timothy J. McGinty on the decision of the Grand Jury in the Tamir Rice case"
And here's the full statement by McGinty.
Cuyahoga County Office of the Prosecutor: "Statement from County Prosecutor Timothy J. McGinty on the decision of the Grand Jury in the Tamir Rice case"
ElectricThunder
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...Not sure where the creative spirit will be applied next to move the goal posts posthumously given the damning deed was RIGHT THERE on video. Jesus Christ this country is, more openly, heading in a terrible direction.
That prosecutor boggles the mind in terms of smug self-satisfaction---I can't even fathom the kinds of subsequent behaviors this is going to embolden.
That prosecutor boggles the mind in terms of smug self-satisfaction---I can't even fathom the kinds of subsequent behaviors this is going to embolden.
DrunkShogun
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So the usual American cop story.
Jag
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Bullshit and infuriating response.
Victim blaming.
What other factors contributed to his fear? The fact that Tamir Rice was black.
Sho_Nuff82
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That is an infuriating read. Just paragraph after paragraph of "well, sorry, but UP is DOWN. Please understand."
And it's there any in plain writing - he argues that any reasonable police officer in these United States would have executed Tamir all the same. And that the Supreme Court rejects the notion of accountability based on evidence gathered after the incident.
I mean just look at this quote:
As commideau posted above, no, AA do not trust their neighbors to bring charges against police officers who murder AA. That's the problem. America seems to find any and all reasons to assume that black people deserve to die. Decisions like this are as much a condemnation of the American people as they are of the police force committing these "honest mistakes".
That qualified him.
To Far Away Times
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I used to play with pellet/cap guns in the street all the time when I was a kid, as I'm sure many others here have as well.
It was never an issue.
It was never an issue.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Goddamnit
Goddamnit
Goddamnit
Jag
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This peculiar, egg shaped man is the Cleveland Police Union Chief. When the bar is set so low, anyone can seem fit for duty.
jackissocool
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If you only look at the first world, then maybe. The third world is full of revolutionary potential, and so are many people within developed countries.
Though it's important to remember that the American Revolution was over taxes. Revolution usually comes when things get better and people start to realize their system is shit right when things start heading down the tubes.
Is that true? WTF.
A friend of mine had an airsoft gun war with a bunch of friends. About 5 or 6 total. I tagged along but didn't partake (since I don't like getting shot at).
Someone called our police to report a group of armed men in a park. About three police cars showed up with officers on high alert.
... yeah, none of us got hurt. My friends calmly laid down their airsoft rifles, explained the circumstances to the officer, had a good laugh over it, and agreed not to do it in a public place again.
Common sense.
Yep.
America, where cops take mass murderers of black people out to get burgers before bringing them to prison, and where an unarmed black child can be gunned down by cops without repercussions.
JonnyDBrit
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Sad to see not even some basic form of reparations or compensation, nevermind taking the issue to court.
This incident strikes a weird chord for me, even as a white, British kid, because I dodged this sort of incident when I was younger. I'm somewhat autistic, to keep in mind, but one day I took into secondary school an extremely realistic looking BB handgun, to use in a drama class project about a home invasion. Like, the picture shown earlier in the thread? That was what it looked like. Now, a little excited about it, I decided to show some friends, waved it about in my hands, etc. A teacher saw this, and notified the head that one of the students was waving around what looked like a gun.
The headteacher, who by the way was new to the school at the time, took the assumption that it was likely one of the students of the asperger's resource centre (since that was where I'd taken it out), and more a misunderstanding than a real incident. Got a stern but well meaning talk about how the police could have called out a firearms response unit if notified, my Mum came in, and then she handed the BB gun over to the police station to be dispose of.
So I'm thinking back to that - something I get to joke about and be teased over by my family, my old headteacher, etc - and then seeing that some kid, younger than I was at the time, gets killed because of it... kinda makes my stomach turn. And has me wondering what the hell expectation is in the heads of some officers.
This incident strikes a weird chord for me, even as a white, British kid, because I dodged this sort of incident when I was younger. I'm somewhat autistic, to keep in mind, but one day I took into secondary school an extremely realistic looking BB handgun, to use in a drama class project about a home invasion. Like, the picture shown earlier in the thread? That was what it looked like. Now, a little excited about it, I decided to show some friends, waved it about in my hands, etc. A teacher saw this, and notified the head that one of the students was waving around what looked like a gun.
The headteacher, who by the way was new to the school at the time, took the assumption that it was likely one of the students of the asperger's resource centre (since that was where I'd taken it out), and more a misunderstanding than a real incident. Got a stern but well meaning talk about how the police could have called out a firearms response unit if notified, my Mum came in, and then she handed the BB gun over to the police station to be dispose of.
So I'm thinking back to that - something I get to joke about and be teased over by my family, my old headteacher, etc - and then seeing that some kid, younger than I was at the time, gets killed because of it... kinda makes my stomach turn. And has me wondering what the hell expectation is in the heads of some officers.
KingHenrik30
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They do, Civil litigation
JonnyDBrit
Member
Right, sorry - I mean the indictment. You get what I mean, I hope.
So true. Don't want a good dude among ya when you're doin' wrong.
Jeffolation
Banned
I'm having trouble with this, does the cop that murdered that child still get to be a cop now? Will he be walking around next month on the job and armed? I've tried reading about it but it's making my head hurt.
I apologize for the questions but I just don't get it.
I apologize for the questions but I just don't get it.
Chie Satonaka
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Another day.
A Link to the Past
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I'm furious
You know how conservatives have their whole spiel about "good guys with guns" vs "bad guys with guns"?
People always say in response to that "but how can you tell the good people with guns apart from the bad people with guns?" And while there is never an adequate response to that challenge, it is pretty observable what the unstated answer to that question is for far too many people.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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This is the level of competence the police are ok with, and a great deal of the civilian populace as well.
In the thread last year when he was initially killed, quite a few posters also defended the killing as justified and claim Tamir deserved it, but of course some of them dried up once the video was released (except for those who refused to watch it but still thought they should comment).
Sad shit
In the thread last year when he was initially killed, quite a few posters also defended the killing as justified and claim Tamir deserved it, but of course some of them dried up once the video was released (except for those who refused to watch it but still thought they should comment).
Sad shit
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