It's a weird example, but I think they're just trying to show off the increased light reflectivity from the fire (side of the small shed, roof of the bigger structure, and the puddles.) That shit is cool but I think they're could've picked a better scene to showcase better shadows, too.
Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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yamaci17
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the underlying ray traced global illumination, physics and destruction and gameplay systems are all there. how blurry a game looks does not change if a game is a tech showcase or not. something like last of us part 2 is incredibly blurry on ps4 but that did not stop people from appreciating its graphical features on the base console
PeteBull
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I see u and i rise u:
Obviously we got already better looking character faces in gta6 and not by low margin.
The rest is still bit behind that cgi from 2013(japan release, in rest of the world early 2014), posting it coz back then i think it was cgi that made biggest impression and is set "in reality"/aims for realism so perfect to compare, i kid u not, back in late 2013/early 2014 it looked(except lighting character's face that feels out of place now) extremly photorealistic to my eyes
Polygonal_Sprite
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You're literally dumb if you can't grasp the massive difference in undertaking of arting up an linear game vs a massive open World game with 1000x the assets. An asterixis? wtf lol. It's not a competition it's a fact of modern development. Some people are absolutely dense and then the exact same people wonder why they're disappointed over and over and over again then come in here to vomit the same point again while not learning that simple FACT!
Gonzito
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My man if you have to insult someone to make a point, it doesn't make you look good. Calm down and put your manners back
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Polygonal_Sprite
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My bad but they just keep replaying with the same dumb response. I literally don't understand how someone can fail to understand the difference between the art work needed on a smaller linear game versus a massive open World game. It's on the level of 1+1=2 yet they're arguing it's 3...
Audiophile
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The sort of visual quality I hope to see one day. I feel like a very good facsimile should be possible on PS6 onwards in regards to the lighting with a top tier RTGI+Reflection implementation. It's just a matter of atmospherics, IQ and asset quality/density matching up (talent, intention, budget and manpower).
FFVII Remake Trailer btw..
FFVII Remake Trailer btw..
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This doesnt look any better than GTA 6 to meThe sort of visual quality I hope to see one day. I feel like a very good facsimile should be possible on PS6 onwards in regards to the lighting with a top tier RTGI+Reflection implementation. It's just a matter of atmospherics, IQ and asset quality/density matching up (talent, intention, budget and manpower).
FFVII Remake Trailer btw..
DanielG165
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So it looks like every platform will be receiving the enhancements for Hellblade 2, not just the PS5 Pro. Really looking forward to seeing what improvements were made in a second playthrough on PC, and how the consoles stack up.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
it looks way better for me.
There is this cgi quality to the rendering that real time graphics rarely achieve if ever.
The only time I had that feeling was few times in ff16.
Like this below. It's obviously not cgi and it doesn't look nearly as good as gta or that ff7 trailer... but there is something to this soft shading and presentation that makes it look like prerendered cgi
Kikorin
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Msamy
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Kikorin
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Yes, Battlefield 3 looked insane. How is this a 2011 game? X360/PS3 really has been the last true generational jump.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
for real.
I am good if games looked like resident evil 4 og forever. let alone xbox 360 lol.
I love good graphics and this gen is very satisfactory to me... but at the same time less so than ps4 was?
Schmendrick
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the graphics really are nothing to write home about...but other than that...... put the strike and karkand theme in the background and you have BF2, which is a
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ThisIsMyDog
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This is PC gameplay. Battlefield 3 was one of the games that showed us the Xbox 360 and PS3 were getting old, and that the next generation couldn't come soon enough.
DanielG165
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For pre-alpha footage, I'd say this looks pretty good honestly. Most importantly, it looks and feels like the gritty, crunchy, and chaotic-ness that BF3 and BF4 had and did so perfectly. The destruction and physics look like they're going to be on another level as well.
Speaking of Battlefield, BF1 still looks absolutely incredible, as does BF5. I played through both games' campaigns earlier this year on PC, and my word did they look gorgeous. Hell, even on One X, BF1 still looked fantastic.
High hopes for BF6.
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Msamy
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Also this multiplayer graphics, expect far more better graphics from its single player campaign
SlimySnake
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It will still be 60 fps so keep your expectations low.
Msamy
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Some testers in reddit page said that ps5 run at 30 fps which is I suspect to be truth but From leaked multiplayer footage for me it's looking better than delta force mp, marathon, cod and others in overall tech , I truly have high hopes for it's singleplayer. I hope they don't disappointed me.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
sharp is just integer scaling 1080p to 4k. Makes no sense for 3d graphics and I have no idea why they are using it
Luipadre
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Some testers in reddit page said that ps5 run at 30 fps which is I suspect to be truth but From leaked multiplayer footage for me it's looking better than delta force mp, marathon, cod and others in overall tech , I truly have high hopes for it's singleplayer. I hope they don't disappointed me.
It runs at either locked 60 or 100+ on the Pro atm. There is a 120hz performance mode
Msamy
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Any information about it's performance on regular ps5?
Its youtube compression.
Luipadre
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Its 60 and the performance mode is around 80, atleast thats what the description says
Audiophile
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I wonder if these inflatables pop, deflate and fart out air if you shoot them:
Once they reach this level of fidelity it's gonna be jarring if stuff like this doesn't react properly.
Same goes for crowds, they look insanely detailed and the quality of reactions, simulation and animation are all gonna have to be top notch, otherwise the jank will be all the more apparent.
For eg. If I take an RPG and unload on that boat in the top image, are all the people gonna react awkwardly or will they act realistically?
For these images, if this is the level of life and density we see (or at least in the ballpark), then when you come barrelling through with a car, dropping grenades or engage in a gunfight...the way the all behave, scarpering, taking cover, some freezing up and begging, it's gonna have to be really on point to not feel wonky.
So far -- in snippets of the trailer and the screenshots -- we've seen visuals and with it, NPCs going about their business; but how they behave when we interrupt them is gonna make or break how this lands.
One cool thing looking over all of these shots is that all the NPCs look unique, so if that remains the case in the game they must have a crazy-good adaptive system with loads of variables and contextual elements.
Once they reach this level of fidelity it's gonna be jarring if stuff like this doesn't react properly.
Same goes for crowds, they look insanely detailed and the quality of reactions, simulation and animation are all gonna have to be top notch, otherwise the jank will be all the more apparent.
For eg. If I take an RPG and unload on that boat in the top image, are all the people gonna react awkwardly or will they act realistically?
For these images, if this is the level of life and density we see (or at least in the ballpark), then when you come barrelling through with a car, dropping grenades or engage in a gunfight...the way the all behave, scarpering, taking cover, some freezing up and begging, it's gonna have to be really on point to not feel wonky.
So far -- in snippets of the trailer and the screenshots -- we've seen visuals and with it, NPCs going about their business; but how they behave when we interrupt them is gonna make or break how this lands.
One cool thing looking over all of these shots is that all the NPCs look unique, so if that remains the case in the game they must have a crazy-good adaptive system with loads of variables and contextual elements.
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Hobby USA
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I see u and i rise u:
Obviously we got already better looking character faces in gta6 and not by low margin.
The rest is still bit behind that cgi from 2013(japan release, in rest of the world early 2014), posting it coz back then i think it was cgi that made biggest impression and is set "in reality"/aims for realism so perfect to compare, i kid u not, back in late 2013/early 2014 it looked(except lighting character's face that feels out of place now) extremly photorealistic to my eyes
nice cutscene!
I think the most important thing about CGi is always the Cloth physics...
I don't know when we'll play games with realistic clothes reacting to the environment...
The hair physics is almost there, as we can see in so many games!
SlimySnake
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
FF7 remake's cg scenes were so good. My dumbass thought that Square would come somewhat close to it with the ps5. I just never realized they were talentless hacks too focused on making mini games and ubisoft style copy pasta worlds.The sort of visual quality I hope to see one day. I feel like a very good facsimile should be possible on PS6 onwards in regards to the lighting with a top tier RTGI+Reflection implementation. It's just a matter of atmospherics, IQ and asset quality/density matching up (talent, intention, budget and manpower).
FFVII Remake Trailer btw..
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Pro is giving 100% more pixels on average? I heard it was only 10% more than SX ...
Feel Like I'm On 42
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FF7 Rebirths Pro mode is so overhyped I can't believe it. The pop in in this mode is horrific, it uses Performance mode settings, and the Gamma is still totally borkedGood luck.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I recognized how impressive the underlying tech is in this game. That's why I said on PC at a high enough resolution it's probably amazing.
I agree that technically the underlying tech is impressive no matter what but I disagree about the blurriness not ruining things. If you can barely see that tech because the game is so muddy what is the point. Some of those outdoor levels the game gets very soupy, low res, and becomes hard to appreciate on my Pro. I'm having a hard time appreciating the rtgi too compared to say, Indiana Jones where the lighting looks better due to I think being higher res and clearer. Either that or maybe Dark Ages doesn't have as much bounce light calculations in the bvh on console?? I dunno. Sometimes I can appreciate it in indoor areas.
The amount of enemies and particles, fluid animations, destruction, and gore systems is really cool. They should've done more with this on Pro if SX is only 10% more pixels that means they're not using the Pro's extra processing power. I wasn't happy with Indiana on Pro but at least it has a considerable resolution increase.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i dont know about series x. but compared to base ps4, its a big jump in pixels.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Where are you getting this 10% from?
From this comparison, you are getting a 28% increase from series x and a 60% increase from base ps5. both of which are in line with the tflops difference. there are other comparisons during gameplay that show the ps5 dropping below 1080p and the pro easily above 1440p which totals up to a 100% increase in pixels.
i dont think xsx comparisons are accurate anyway. Eternal XSX also ran way better than the ps5. Doom just prefers xbox consoles for whatever reason. maybe because they use hardware vrs on the xsx.
kevboard
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to be fair, the difference between the Series X and PS5 Pro in Indy would probably be smaller if the Series X wasn't capped at 1800p.
BlownUpRich
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Since cloth simulation is too demanding to be done in real-time, Amy Hennig's Marvel 1943 Rise of Hydra will simulate full cloth simulations with almost the fidelity that you see in CGI movies, through a Machine Learning algorithm they call "ML Deformer", they said "it's extremely fast on runtime", pretty sure this is UE5's custom solution for it, they talk about it here. (timestamped at 54:25)
GTA 6 trailer 2 also has good evidence of something similar being done here, it's what sells these character animations extremely well, they almost look real sometimes, it feels as though characters aren't stuck within their clothes looking stiff like how a video game would look. Examples below:
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yamaci17
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finally started playing outlaws. damn this game's graphics are impressive and I quite like the level of detail
sure I miss the hair strands, destruction physics and weather thing but this game at least has some decent wind physics. i really like how trees and foliage sway along the wind
ray reconstruction is truly incredible and I wish ac shadows had it too
sure I miss the hair strands, destruction physics and weather thing but this game at least has some decent wind physics. i really like how trees and foliage sway along the wind
ray reconstruction is truly incredible and I wish ac shadows had it too
Polygonal_Sprite
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It's a very, very underrated game aswell. It got a lot of undeserved "OMG FORCED DEI" hate online. If you're a Star Wars fans it's a solid 8/10. The game looks insane on the 30fps mode on PS5 Pro but I played it at 60fps. I imagine it looks absolutely ridiculous on a high end PC!finally started playing outlaws. damn this game's graphics are impressive and I quite like the level of detail
sure I miss the hair strands, destruction physics and weather thing but this game at least has some decent wind physics. i really like how trees and foliage sway along the wind
ray reconstruction is truly incredible and I wish ac shadows had it too
I'm really looking forward to seeing how they get this game to run on Switch 2 since it only has an RTGI mode unlike AC Shadows where it has a baked lighting fallback for Series S and the original PS5/X performance modes. If the Cyberpunk port is anything to go by it will be solid for a wee 10watt device.
Bojji
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Exactly, game is not bad at all. The best star wars games since fallen order.
yamaci17
Member
it's a better game than ac shadows 100%
and i say this as someone who is more interested in ac universe than star wars universe
naoe is fine and all but i find kay more interesting and story and quests don't feel like chore, at least the way ac shadows feels, and on top of that it is at least coherent
i'm simply having much more fun with this game which is a bit sad for ac shadows
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GymWolf
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This is the biggest obstacle imo, even more than the graphic.I wonder if these inflatables pop, deflate and fart out air if you shoot them:
Once they reach this level of fidelity it's gonna be jarring if stuff like this doesn't react properly.
Same goes for crowds, they look insanely detailed and the quality of reactions, simulation and animation are all gonna have to be top notch, otherwise the jank will be all the more apparent.
For eg. If I take an RPG and unload on that boat in the top image, are all the people gonna react awkwardly or will they act realistically?
For these images, if this is the level of life and density we see (or at least in the ballpark), then when you come barrelling through with a car, dropping grenades or engage in a gunfight...the way the all behave, scarpering, taking cover, some freezing up and begging, it's gonna have to be really on point to not feel wonky.
So far -- in snippets of the trailer and the screenshots -- we've seen visuals and with it, NPCs going about their business; but how they behave when we interrupt them is gonna make or break how this lands.
One cool thing looking over all of these shots is that all the NPCs look unique, so if that remains the case in the game they must have a crazy-good adaptive system with loads of variables and contextual elements.
No idea how many unique animations you have to code to take into account whatever the player is doing for the npcs reactions, maybe it's gonna be some neural\ai system where animations are completely dynamic or maybe slmething like motion matching whem they chose the best animation out of a library with thousands of them.
But if there is one that has a chance (an extremely small one) is rockstar.
This is where we are gonna see if they really spended 2 billions budget.
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Polygonal_Sprite
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Before we smeg our pants let's see GTA VI gameplay. My prediction is that it will look like a very nice looking version of the PS5 Remaster of GTAV with obvious improvements in lighting due to RTGI and much more geometry. They showing the game in it's 100% best light with cutscenes and very controlled story missions.
Also those R* website screenshots and clips are almost certainly from the PC version.
Don't get me wrong it will be the best looking game ever made and hopefully a great game (GTAV is in my personal top 10 games ever). I just don't think the gameplay we see 95% of the time will match those trailers but hey I hope I'm wrong.
GymWolf
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GymWolf
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The lowest bar possible but yeah, at least i was able to finish that one without thinking about smashing my balls with a sledgehammer.
I heard they fixed many aspects of the game because at launch it was a 6\10 at best.
Polygonal_Sprite
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Like most PS5 / Pro games it looks ridiculously good in it's 30fps mode. They needed a new gen CPU to hit 60 at those visuals. A shame they couldn't do it for the Pro but then it would have been $800 lol.
GymWolf
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The price in europe is 920 euros with the disc drive, where is my better cpu?
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Polygonal_Sprite
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So possible on Switch 2 at 30fps?Where are you getting this 10% from?
From this comparison, you are getting a 28% increase from series x and a 60% increase from base ps5. both of which are in line with the tflops difference. there are other comparisons during gameplay that show the ps5 dropping below 1080p and the pro easily above 1440p which totals up to a 100% increase in pixels.
i dont think xsx comparisons are accurate anyway. Eternal XSX also ran way better than the ps5. Doom just prefers xbox consoles for whatever reason. maybe because they use hardware vrs on the xsx.
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