ChorizoPicozo
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GSD European video game and hardware sales for September 2023 - PS5#1 (+175%) NSW#2 (-25%) XBS#3 (-35%) | EA FC 24#1 Starfield#2 MK1#3
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yazenov
Gold Member
You have to admit that Starfield's sales 13% below Forza Horizon 5 is a little bit concerning in Europe, regardless of the #2 rank. That's with a whole month's worth of sales including the early access.
Are Sim racers other than Gran Turismo relevant nowadays?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It being 10~% short of the biggest xbox launch in history isn't exactly bad, these are just two very big releases, they can co-exist.
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yazenov
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Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Let's hope. Microsoft has been nothing but a net negative in the console space, maybe they'll be better as a third party publisher.
GHG
Gold Member
Oxygen.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
At the time? probably both, don't forget, it had more than a million players with the deluxe / upgrade editions before the games retail release. It did pretty good back in '21.
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Ansphn
Member
Eventually Microsoft will pull the plug on Xbox. Why keep losing money on consoles when you have so many studios to make games you can send everywhere (PC, PlayStation, Nintendo, Mobile) and make way more profit than to send it to just PC and dying Xbox console? At this point, they're losing money on making the Xbox consoles.
GHG
Gold Member
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
None of those games are coming out within the next 3 maybe even 4 years
TheTony316
Member
More like: dead in Japan.
Let MS buy Ubisoft and Capcom, so they can compete in Europe and Japan.
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HeWhoWalks
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Which gives them time to get other games out while those cook.
rhodesianshepard
Banned
What is the next big Microsoft game? The only one I can think of is Fable, and that comes out 2025 at the earliest. They have Avowed and Hellblade in 2024, but I don't think either of those games will be system sellers
The only other one I can think of is Contraband.
X-Wing
Member
Because for now a big chunk of their subscribers is on console and the console is their biggest gateway to the ecosystem. The strategy is to use the content that they now have thanks to the Activision acquisition to get away from that situation. Whether it will be Game Pass PC having a major player increase when PC gamers are faced with the choice between paying 70 usd for COD on Steam or subscribing to the service or the push with the cloud to cheaper devices, the writing is pretty much on the wall. I don’t expect to see them releasing any more high end console hardware in the future.
Taur007
Member
But I think buying the premium edition via GP still counts as a sku
Taur007
Member
Who cares? Still money in MS pocketStarfield doing well and xbox tanking... thats PC games day one for you ... go ahead sony do that and also kill your console
Dick Jones
Gold Member
That's fine, but he is comparing Starfield being 13% less than Forza Horizon 5. Both released in the age of Gamepass. Gamepass isn't a factor to his logic.
MisterXDTV
Member
How exactly cancelling Playstation versions of games helps current Xbox GamePass subscribers?
They are just leaving money on the table....
Hardware is not selling, software is not selling on that hardware.
It seems like a decision out of spite, not business sense
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TheTony316
Member
In Europe? Very far off.
Switch should be close to 33 million. The PS2 is over 55 million total.
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HeWhoWalks
Member
graywolf323
Member
nah he’s not delusional, he knows full well what he’s doingAnd then you arrive in tackle dismissing 110 messages in a thread, so delusional.
the delusional types are more prone to becoming unhinged (such as Senjustu), Adam just keeps spinning
Killjoy-NL
Member
Yes, until Spider-Man 2 numbers are in.
Then people will seem to have forgotten all about the pandemic.
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Xbox is irrelevant in Europe. Starfield was never going to change anything, or sell amazingly.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Yikes. Might as well give up at this point hardware wise. Ms is pissing in the wind.
MisterXDTV
Member
We are talking about future games, Starfield's ship has sailed... Too late now
XXL
Gold Member
FH5 came out around 2 years ago.
Unless I'm missing something..... millions of Xboxs have been sold since then, so not surpassing it, isn't great.
demigod
Member
Their games bombed on xbox one so they started to release day and date on PC. Sale splits were bad so they looked into subscription. Splits are worse now than before.
Thirty7ven
Banned
That’s not very believable. At all.
demigod
Member
Damn bro, why you gotta do adamsapple like that.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
MisterXDTV
Member
He meant why allow their games on Steam when they should be pushing GamePass and THEIR store?
If you allow Steam and you don't care about console sales, why exclude Playstation then?
It's like bipolar strategy at this point
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Dr_Ifto
Member
XBOX's decisions, which people claim are pro-consumer, are actually hurting their business. Yeah they are making money, and with Activision, they will make more, but as a console, its dead in the water. XBOX might as well just be a publisher now. They should have actually went after Valve, which would have been extremely hard, rather than Acitvision. Then they could say they are the Premier market, the PC market.
Only time will tell. We need them in the market to make Sony nervous and innovate. I hope their next console and their go-to-market strategy moving forward drives console sales.
Only time will tell. We need them in the market to make Sony nervous and innovate. I hope their next console and their go-to-market strategy moving forward drives console sales.
demigod
Member
They are competing against PlayStation. They know they fucked up with GFWL and their store sucks. There is no competing against Steam.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yeah honestly the best thing for Phil to do is strike a deal for GamePass on PlayStation
Xbox audience seems to have either moved to PC or PlayStation, and that migration is just getting worse with no end in sight
Dr_Ifto
Member
Your comment really made me think about this. They dont care about their store, and dont care about giving Steam 30% of the game, and seem to not be focusing on consoles as much anymore, there really isnt a reason to keep it off Playstation. In the end, its about making money, and Starfield was a guaranteed 10-15m copy game on PS alone. They could always advertise that its free on GP on XBOX, but you can buy the game on PS. Only time will tell what their strategy is going forward. Hopefully, its enough to make Sony actually do something.
hinch7
Member
Phil Spencer and co, must've thought that Starfield would be a system seller despite the downward trend and interest in Xbox consoles. And releasing it on competitors platform wouldn't do the brand any favors.
Though the game released, was met with mixed reception and didn't really move the needle. And here we are, with barely any XBS titles talk about since their main flagships (Infinite and Starfield) has come and gone with other ones like Fable, seemingly years away.
That and the only relevant market for Xbox rn, is NA. And even that is shrinking.
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MisterXDTV
Member
Are they? then explain to me why they don't care whether their hardware and software sell because of the magical GAMEPASS....
Makes no sense to me
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S0ULZB0URNE
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So *the big Xbox release releases and series sales are down 35%! Am I reading this correctly?
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Yea, the Xbox brand is toast. If Starfield can't do it for them, nothing else can.
This is probably the last gen we are going to see a traditional Xbox console. The damage to the brand has been done already. Halo couldn't do it for them and now Starfield, their biggest and most hyped game ever couldn't do it for them in NPD and now it's also failing in Europe.
This is probably the last gen we are going to see a traditional Xbox console. The damage to the brand has been done already. Halo couldn't do it for them and now Starfield, their biggest and most hyped game ever couldn't do it for them in NPD and now it's also failing in Europe.
VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
Xbox future lies outside their own hardware.
Because no one wants their fucking hardware.
Because no one wants their fucking hardware.
wouldn't be surprised, they already seem to delegate pro version to pc
VideoGameEnjoyer
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YeulEmeralda
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HeWhoWalks
Member
"Make Sony nervous and innovate". Now that's funny. The only thing that I imagine has worried Sony is the purchasing of pubs. Otherwise, nothing else they do is making anyone nervous. They have the lowest install base and sell the least amount of software. Nintendo and Sony need real competitors and Xbox hasn't been it.
Honestly, Xbox could just exit our market and very few people would even notice at this point. They might as well not exist.
It's absolutely incredibly how they managed to fuck up the success the 360 had, with bad decision after bad decision. I doubt even Sega fucked up this bad. They simply had less money.
It's absolutely incredibly how they managed to fuck up the success the 360 had, with bad decision after bad decision. I doubt even Sega fucked up this bad. They simply had less money.
Pop
Member
Heres the truth--There is very little reason to own current or (future) Xbox consoles with gamepass around. PC market is and will continue to grow which eats into Xbox consoles when you factor in gamepass.
The more people who turn to PC gaming the less the need to own a Xbox. Just get PC gamepass for $10 a month or free* with Microsoft rewards. Don't be surprised when Microsoft announces they will exit the hardware market within the next 5 years.
The more people who turn to PC gaming the less the need to own a Xbox. Just get PC gamepass for $10 a month or free* with Microsoft rewards. Don't be surprised when Microsoft announces they will exit the hardware market within the next 5 years.