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GTA 6 performance on PS5 Pro ?
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KuraiShidosha
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Thinking a brand new Rockstar game will have a 60 fps option on consoles in the year 2026. Can you imagine being that guy. Could never be me.
My 9950x3D and 5090 custom watercooled setup will be patiently waiting for it whenever it decides to drop. They won't get a double dip out of me.
My 9950x3D and 5090 custom watercooled setup will be patiently waiting for it whenever it decides to drop. They won't get a double dip out of me.
Kuranghi
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Theres no way to answer this without seeing the scope of the simulation they're going for.
The trailer has those shots that we presume are gameplay on transitions to gameplay (Jason walking into his house, Luica firing grenade launcher at vehicles, them riding the jetski, etc) but we really don't know what the interaction level will be like or how many NPCs will be able to be on screen at once while you cause all manner of havoc with explosives and vehicles. Are most objects simulated as real physics objects that fly everywhere when you interact with them?
I'd say the animations look like they're made for 30fps, its similar to TLOU or Uncharted, those games cutscenes look weird at higher framerates because they've animated things at a speed where if you "tween" the animations more it starts to look sped up and soap opera-y. Go and look at cutscenes videos of TLOU Remastered or any UC game and you'll see what I mean.
The trailer has those shots that we presume are gameplay on transitions to gameplay (Jason walking into his house, Luica firing grenade launcher at vehicles, them riding the jetski, etc) but we really don't know what the interaction level will be like or how many NPCs will be able to be on screen at once while you cause all manner of havoc with explosives and vehicles. Are most objects simulated as real physics objects that fly everywhere when you interact with them?
I'd say the animations look like they're made for 30fps, its similar to TLOU or Uncharted, those games cutscenes look weird at higher framerates because they've animated things at a speed where if you "tween" the animations more it starts to look sped up and soap opera-y. Go and look at cutscenes videos of TLOU Remastered or any UC game and you'll see what I mean.
Negotiator101
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Neither of those games are anywhere near the simulated world and geometric detail that GTA 6 will have. We won't see 60 until PS6, Helix and PC whichever comes first. To answer your question, no they wouldn't be happy with performance drops like that.
I stick with 30-40fps prediction
They can enable 60fps mode, why not. But problems is - will they accept big ass differences in performance? Both Starfield and Crimson Desert have places that drop to 30-40fps range in performance mode on Zen 2 console CPU:
So question is - will rockstar accept performance like that? If they do, game might ship with unlocked mode.
Holammer
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This scene in particular makes me doubt it'll reach 60fps on consoles. So much physics going on, they even have dusty feet from the sand.
You just know the framerate will tank if you cause some chaos there, on a base PS5 anyway.
amigastar
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Personally i don't think the beach scenes will look like this, it's just a set up for a beach shot with many characters, in the final game there won't be such variety for such a scene. But thats just me, and we don't know for sure.
This scene in particular makes me doubt it'll reach 60fps on consoles. So much physics going on, they even have dusty feet from the sand.
You just know the framerate will tank if you cause some chaos there, on a base PS5 anyway.
Bojji
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Yeah, with RDR2 - working close with Sony resulted in trash image quality on PS4 Pro vs. native 4k on One X.
Physiognomonics
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Indeed. Their CBR implementation was the worst ever. Thankfully that won't happen with PSSR2.
MazingerDUDE
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Based on DF analysis, the game runs at 1440P upscaled to 4K with RT GI and RT Reflection on BASE PS5.
Crimson Desert does exactly that, rendering at 1440P with 2 RTs on 30fps quality setting for base console.
So I'd expect something similar in other modes
1080P upscaled to 1440P with just the RT GI on base PS5 for 60fps performance
4K Native on PS5 PRO 30fps quality with more advanced RT,
and 1080P upscaled to 4K using PSSR2 with RT GI and RT Reflection on 60fps performance.
Crimson Desert does exactly that, rendering at 1440P with 2 RTs on 30fps quality setting for base console.
So I'd expect something similar in other modes
1080P upscaled to 1440P with just the RT GI on base PS5 for 60fps performance
4K Native on PS5 PRO 30fps quality with more advanced RT,
and 1080P upscaled to 4K using PSSR2 with RT GI and RT Reflection on 60fps performance.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Oh and make poll public.
DeepEnigma
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Crimson Desert shows 30/40+/60+ is possible on an open world non cross-gen engine teaming with systems and abundance of wildlife/NPCs. All while looking stunning.
Wether R* does any of those modes remains to be seen.
Wether R* does any of those modes remains to be seen.
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Dust-by-Monday
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Runs fine on my PS5 Pro. I'm from the future.
Vick
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As every single other "GTA VI is 30fps" Thread, this too is going to be interesting to revisit in the future.
PS5 Pro will likely just have some of the Quality mode settings from base consoles along with perhaps better RT, PSSR and probably less drops from its 60fps target, in comparison with all other consoles in their own Performance modes.
PS5 Pro will likely just have some of the Quality mode settings from base consoles along with perhaps better RT, PSSR and probably less drops from its 60fps target, in comparison with all other consoles in their own Performance modes.
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LordOcidax
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60 fps for GTA6 is going to be a selling point for the next gen version and PC.
Lagspike_exe
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40 FPS mode would be good enough. Hopefully they get a good implementation of PSSR2 and they can adequately leverage hardware RT elements of Pro.
amigastar
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pacman4000
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If base PS5 tanks in complex scenes (regardless if this particular scene will make it to the game or not) then the Pro will most likely tank too.
This scene in particular makes me doubt it'll reach 60fps on consoles. So much physics going on, they even have dusty feet from the sand.
You just know the framerate will tank if you cause some chaos there, on a base PS5 anyway.
I don't get the Pro=40 fps idea so many are hoping for. If the Pro can do 40 fps then the Base most likely can too.
Is there a single game out there where Pro offers higher frame rate than the Base? (fluctuations from target frame rate excluded)
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pacman4000
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Lol, no.
The GPU isn't the issue here.
Snowdonhoffen
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I feel like Rockstar won't do multiple graphic modes, they will have just one 30 fps mode for all platforms and adjust resolutions and settings accordingly. But the Pro version will be something like higher base resolution, PSSR, better textures/effects and ray tracing.
I just can't see them wanting their game to be trashed by an unfortunate 60 fps performance mode screenshot taken from one of the base consoles or the Series S. So by having just one 30 fps mode they will make sure all version look good.
I just can't see them wanting their game to be trashed by an unfortunate 60 fps performance mode screenshot taken from one of the base consoles or the Series S. So by having just one 30 fps mode they will make sure all version look good.
Anchovie123
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Is there even a single PS5 game that doesnt have a performance mode? They may not all be a perfect 60fps and may have issues elsewhere but a company shipping a 30fps only game would be insanity.
Bojji
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Several games launched with only 30/40 modes. Many of them were patched later (months later) to have performance modes - like start field, watch dogs legion, plague tale 2, hell blade 2, etc.
I think Gotham knights is still 30fps (CPU limited), final fantasy xiv has unusable 60fps mode (at least on base consoles) and empire of ants is 30fps locked on base PS5 (at least it was at launch, pro version was 60).
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RedC
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I think people are overestimating what the PS5 Pro can actually do for something like GTA VI.
The big thing everyone's missing is that GTA isn't really a GPU problem; it's a CPU problem. And the Pro doesn't meaningfully upgrade the CPU. It's basically the same one with a small bump.
GTA is constantly simulating a ton of stuff at once: NPC routines, traffic, physics, world state, all the background systems that keep the city feeling alive. That's the kind of workload that scales with CPU, not GPU. If the CPU can't handle 60fps, you're not getting 60fps no matter how strong the GPU is.
And Rockstar has always leaned into that. They prioritize density and realism over frame rate. Both GTA V (at launch) and Red Dead Redemption 2 were 30fps on consoles for that exact reason. GTA VI looks like it's pushing even harder in that direction, not pulling back.
Could they make a 60fps mode? Probably, but it would come with trade-offs: less NPC density, less traffic, reduced simulation, maybe cutbacks in lighting or world detail. At that point, you're kind of undermining what makes GTA feel like GTA in the first place.
Also worth noting: stuff like PSSR or upscaling doesn't help here. That's great for resolution and image quality, but it doesn't reduce CPU load. It won't suddenly double your frame rate in a CPU-bound game.
My guess is:
So yeah, I wouldn't go into this expecting a proper 60fps mode on PS5 Pro. Would love to be wrong, but all the technical signs point the other way.
The big thing everyone's missing is that GTA isn't really a GPU problem; it's a CPU problem. And the Pro doesn't meaningfully upgrade the CPU. It's basically the same one with a small bump.
GTA is constantly simulating a ton of stuff at once: NPC routines, traffic, physics, world state, all the background systems that keep the city feeling alive. That's the kind of workload that scales with CPU, not GPU. If the CPU can't handle 60fps, you're not getting 60fps no matter how strong the GPU is.
And Rockstar has always leaned into that. They prioritize density and realism over frame rate. Both GTA V (at launch) and Red Dead Redemption 2 were 30fps on consoles for that exact reason. GTA VI looks like it's pushing even harder in that direction, not pulling back.
Could they make a 60fps mode? Probably, but it would come with trade-offs: less NPC density, less traffic, reduced simulation, maybe cutbacks in lighting or world detail. At that point, you're kind of undermining what makes GTA feel like GTA in the first place.
Also worth noting: stuff like PSSR or upscaling doesn't help here. That's great for resolution and image quality, but it doesn't reduce CPU load. It won't suddenly double your frame rate in a CPU-bound game.
My guess is:
- Base consoles: 30fps
- PS5 Pro: same 30fps, just cleaner image / higher res, maybe a 40fps VRR mode if we're lucky
- 60fps probably happens later on PC or next-gen
So yeah, I wouldn't go into this expecting a proper 60fps mode on PS5 Pro. Would love to be wrong, but all the technical signs point the other way.
asdasdasdbb
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I think it's unlikely but still possible that there's an optional Frame Gen like feature R* puts in.
RedC
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Topher
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No doubt R* will have to cut back on some stuff. NPC presence, as you say, such as traffic and NPCs is what causes frame rate drops in other games. So the question really isn't whether PS5 Pro is capable. The question is whether R* is willing to offer that settings change.
RedC
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That's a fair way to frame it, but I think it's a little more complicated than just "flip the settings switch."
It's not like most games where you can just dial NPC density down and call it a day. In GTA, all those systems, pedestrians, traffic, AI routines, streaming, and physics are interconnected. They're not just visual fluff you can trim without side effects. If you start pulling on that thread, you're potentially affecting how the whole world behaves, not just how busy it looks.
So yeah, in theory, Rockstar could build a 60fps mode with reduced density. The real question is whether they can do that without breaking the illusion of a living city. That's kind of their whole thing.
Also, even if you cut NPCs and traffic, that doesn't automatically guarantee 60fps. The CPU is still dealing with:
World simulation systems running in the background
Physics
Mission scripting and AI logic
Streaming a massive open world
So you might end up in a situation where you've noticeably downgraded the world, and you're still not getting a locked 60. That's the worst case scenario from a design standpoint.
I think that's why Rockstar tends to avoid these kinds of modes. They don't usually ship "compromised" versions of their worlds on console; they pick a target, usually 30fps, and build everything around that.
So I'd tweak your point slightly. It's not just "are they willing to offer the setting," it's "can Rockstar offer a 60fps mode that keeps the world feeling just as alive and actually holds a stable 60fps."
If they can't hit both, history says they'll stick with 30 and preserve the simulation.
Topher
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No, it just shows we shouldn't expect a locked 60 fps. I don't think anyone is expecting that though.
Bojji
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But what they can if game drops to 30 or 40fps regulary? Another game with CPU performance profile like that (star field) launched with 30fps lock to avoid massive differences (30fps in towns and 100+ in enclosed spaces).
Crimson Desert is similar to GTA in a way that it has big amounts of npcs and constant Ray Tracing (BVH hammers CPUs). But GTA looks to be much more CPU heavy based on what they showed so far (way more npcs and objects) and majority of the game will be set in complex cities not some forest areas.
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Topher
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Easy to speculate, but factually CD is a game with heavy CPU reliance and a performance mode. If you are now saying "what if" then we are back to not knowing one way or another.
Bojji
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It all depends on what developers are willing to accept, Bethesda wanted consistent experience at launch and that's why they locked the game to 30fps (and it was like that for many months). Every console game in history could have unlocked frame rate but in most of them results would be terrible on 60Hz screens.
120Hz with VRR (plus LFC) opens up way more possibilities but we will have to see if Rockstar wants to use them.
Bernardougf
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I think people are too focused on the initial trailer.... lets wait for the final product to say something "its impossible" ... I think people are overestimating what the game will really be.... I still think the final version of the game will only come next-gen... what we will get now its a version capable of performing well in the current consoles.
nosoynadie22
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The GTA VI code will be close to perfect, overcoming the supposed limitations of the PS5|Pro CPU.
PlayStaytion
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Something about looking faraway on the biggest road with choppy framerate.
PlayStaytion
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I really want this game to stress ps5 ssd and I mean it.
Topher
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We haven't seen a bit of gameplay yet, have we?
Yeah.....it's a choice by the developers. Think we can leave it there.
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Rocco Schiavone
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Who on earth said that ingame it will look exactly like in the trailer??
This scene in particular makes me doubt it'll reach 60fps on consoles. So much physics going on, they even have dusty feet from the sand.
You just know the framerate will tank if you cause some chaos there, on a base PS5 anyway.
Salty Pickle
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Didn't that trailer run on PS5 or am I remembering it wrong?
genesisblock
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I wonder if you can go up to those sunbathers like those creepy Youtuber's with a mic for an "interview"?
This scene in particular makes me doubt it'll reach 60fps on consoles. So much physics going on, they even have dusty feet from the sand.
You just know the framerate will tank if you cause some chaos there, on a base PS5 anyway.
DanielG165
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Has any previous Rockstar title ever featured separate graphical modes on console? They aren't ones to limit their scope, and tend to save higher performance for the eventual PC port. If GTA 6 is as big or bigger than what we've seen of it so far, and the simulation is as crazy as it looks, then I doubt 60fps will be a thing on console.
This is the same studio who used the extra grunt of the One X to have RDR2 run at a native 4K resolution. They're going to push every current gen console to their limit with GTA 6.
This is the same studio who used the extra grunt of the One X to have RDR2 run at a native 4K resolution. They're going to push every current gen console to their limit with GTA 6.
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thatJohann
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Probably 30fps with PSSR 2.0 and I'm sure that won't be an issue.
They will re-release it for PS6 with 60fps and PSSR 3.0 and everyone will re-buy again.
They will re-release it for PS6 with 60fps and PSSR 3.0 and everyone will re-buy again.
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Bojji
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GTA5 on PS5/XSX has toggles. But that essentially is a port of PS4 port of a PS3 game..
