GTA V PC Trailer (60 FPS)

Dries said:
So I just watched the new PC trailer and one thing is already certain for me: I will absolutely not play this game at 60 fps. It just looks so smooth it's unnatural. I recently bought a GTX 980 and never ever do I play games at 60 fps. People are probably thinking WTF, but I just do not like the look and feel of 60 fps. Let me explain:

I consider (almost) every videogame I play as an interactive movie, so 30 fps isn't always a bad thing for me. "Why did I buy a 980 when I don't even play at 60 fps?" I hear people ask? Because I like to downsample the fuck out of every game. Downsampling is, for me, more important than achieving a "perfect" 60 fps. I don't play games at 30 fps either though. I love 30 fps for it's cinematic feel, but it's just too stuttery for me, whereas 60 fps is too smooth. The solution? Cap the framerate at 45 fps. Best of both worlds! 45 fps is my perfect framerate and it also allows me to DSR the shit out of every game! So while most people will be playing GTA V at 1920 x 1080 60fps, I'll be aiming more for something like 2880 x 1620p at a capped 45 fps.

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I bought a GTX 980, but never play at 60fps. Instead I cap the fps at 45 and use my 980 to downsample. IQ > Framerate
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45 fps. Ok. Most incredible nonsense I read in years.
 
Derpyduck said:
For me it was the worst. Nothing like a smooth song suddenly getting derailed with fuck-this-fuck-that nonsense. I have no problem with rap, but for me it ruined an otherwise pretty good song. I like what they did to the original instrumental.
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Usually I would agree, but not for this song.

Anyways, yall crazy for downplaying 60fps.
 
Kezen said:
I'll be surprised if this is true but okay.
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It's already true. Higher res textures have already been seen (and are a given anyway), higher quality effects haven't been seen but are assumedly there (I doubt the minigun bullet casings were that detailed on console, and ejected casings normally work like particles in games), extra music is confirmed, and PC exclusive enhancements is already confirmed because the beaufitul headlight shadows from IV are back.
 
nogoodnamesleft said:
Each to their own but I think you're insane for buying a PC and deliberately throttling one of the main reasons of buying said PC. But as I said each to their own.
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The main reason I bought said PC is so that I could downsample a whoooole lot. 60 fps is not main reason I bought my PC, in fact it's not a reason at all :) So I'm not throttling anything. 60 fps may be your reason, but it ain't mine.

GavinUK86 said:
Wtf, 45fps is even worse. Anywhere in between 30 and 60 is unnatural.
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antitrop said:
Maybe he's got dat G-sync? Otherwise, he's being ridiculous.
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Solid Samus said:
Yeah, without G-sync it is sort of ridiculous. Far me it for me to say someone's squandering a thousand dollar build so long as they like what they're getting out of it, but wow, I've never heard that one before.

but hey, I appreciate downsampling as much as the next guy because every time I engage in it the difference leaves me fucking breathless. (if you can downsample GTA V from 4k at 30fps on your build I absolutely could not blame you for choosing that over 1080p/60! Those screens hhngngngng) So I can understand choosing it over framerate. 45fps, though? Might as well just kick her down to thirty and go balls out because 45 FPS is just weird
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Solid Samus said:
I mean, it's not, but locking oneself to 45fps is just not something I can wrap my head around o.0 because at its best a framerate like that would leave you with a predictable and jarring stutter like release-day Bethesda games
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Wow...... you guys are clearly seeing something I do not lol! What can I say? 45 is more fluid than 30 fps but so unnaturally smooth as 60 fps. I think it looks absolutely fine. I really really do not understand you guy's astonishment. Wow, haha.

I actually think the same way of you guys worshipping 60 fps the same way you guys think of me now with my 45 fps hehe. But that's the glory of PC gaming. To each their own, I guess.
 
Damerman said:
lol you people are radical 60fps fanatics... thats what i can't wrap my head around. I totally understand where Dries... i even kind of agree. If i didn't have G-sync, i would do the same thing that he does for his games... but since i have G-sync... i don't care about the variability of my frames. I also agree that GTAV at 60fps looks weird. please don't burn me at the stake.
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I'm not a 'radical 60fps fanatic'. I just prefer it and think it's pretty asinine to suggest it's not an objective enhancement from 30fps even as some prefer the latter. I advocated for locking the FPS at 30 as opposed to something like 45, as with the last few posters responding to that particular post, because 30 and 60 multiply evenly into 60, while 45 doesn't - meaning you're left with an image that is always stuttering and displaying one out of every three frames twice. Which doesn't make me a fanatic at all because judder and inconsistent framerates is a pretty universal source of discomfort that people all over GAF complain about where it crops up. Wii U gamers noticed 1 frame drop every second in MK8, but I'm expected to believe I'm being unreasonable for thinking someone might notice 1 frame repeat every 3 on a normal monitor? It's not an unreasonable way to respond.

Since you have G-sync it's irrelevant to you. That was sort of my point. Without G-sync, the prospect of playing games at 45fps does not sound appealing. I would much, much rather play at a locked 30.
 
Dries said:
So I just watched the new PC trailer and one thing is already certain for me: I will absolutely not play this game at 60 fps. It just looks so smooth it's unnatural. I recently bought a GTX 980 and never ever do I play games at 60 fps. People are probably thinking WTF, but I just do not like the look and feel of 60 fps. Let me explain:

I consider (almost) every videogame I play as an interactive movie, so 30 fps isn't always a bad thing for me. "Why did I buy a 980 when I don't even play at 60 fps?" I hear people ask? Because I like to downsample the fuck out of every game. Downsampling is, for me, more important than achieving a "perfect" 60 fps. I don't play games at 30 fps either though. I love 30 fps for it's cinematic feel, but it's just too stuttery for me, whereas 60 fps is too smooth. The solution? Cap the framerate at 45 fps. Best of both worlds! 45 fps is my perfect framerate and it also allows me to DSR the shit out of every game! So while most people will be playing GTA V at 1920 x 1080 60fps, I'll be aiming more for something like 2880 x 1620p at a capped 45 fps.

tl;dr
I bought a GTX 980, but never play at 60fps. Instead I cap the fps at 45 and use my 980 to downsample. IQ > Framerate
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45fps. You are genius. The IQ must be hard to appreciate through the stutter, though.
 
CarbonFire said:
He's got G-Sync, so not at all nonsense. He really should have said it up front though. Or maybe he doesn't? If so, he IS crazy.
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I'm the one who has G-sync... i don't know about Dries though... also 45fps is good... wtf is up with people acting like he is crazy for preferring it?

this is incredible.

CaptainAhab said:
45fps. You are genius. The IQ must be hard to appreciate through the stutter, though.
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there is no stutter at 45 fps...

hold on, are you guys being ironic?
 
Panels generally refresh in multiples of 30, so 60 is the next step. Going halfway means the screen would either display those frames twice or wait for the next refresh. It makes it stutter. G-sync eliminates that.
 
ninanuam said:
Hey I am a PC gamer (to a degree) and I find 60FPS to feel a bit "fast forward" in cut scenes. in gameplay its different because it makes you feel like you have finer control. But n cut scenes it's still weird to me.
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But it's not faster. It's just more detailed, fluid animation because there's more frames in a second. Things don't move faster. You're just able to see a more gradual movement of them.

I really can't wrap my head around the criticisms of higher framerates. I can't wrap my head around it being anything but objective that more frames per second is better than less.
 
Dries said:
The main reason I bought said PC is so that I could downsample a whoooole lot. 60 fps is not main reason I bought my PC, in fact it's not a reason at all :) So I'm not throttling anything. 60 fps may be your reason, but it ain't mine.









Wow...... you guys are clearly seeing something I do not lol! What can I say? 45 is more fluid than 30 fps but so unnaturally smooth as 60 fps. I think it looks absolutely fine. I really really do not understand you guy's astonishment. Wow, haha.

I actually think the same way of you guys worshipping 60 fps the same way you guys think of me now with my 45 fps hehe. But that's the glory of PC gaming. To each their own, I guess.
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45 more smooth? Hell nah brah 120fps or get busted.
 
Damerman said:
I'm the one who has G-sync... i don't know about Dries though... also 45fps is good... wtf is up with people acting like he is crazy for preferring it?

this is incredible.



there is no stutter at 45 fps...

hold on, are you guys being ironic?
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holy shit dude, wow. I don't want to be an asshole but there's no stutter for you, because you have G-sync.

You're not acknowledging that without G-sync, 45fps is arguably 'not good', for reasons that have been laid out and which are easily verified, which you haven't addressed. If you weren't busy misrepresenting our posts you might find that the whole reason we're incredulous over the idea of 45fps is because without G-sync, it can be uncomfortable and inconsistent. There is stutter at 45 FPS, guaranteed, period, without G-sync. Which is why our responses to the OP tend to include the stipulation, 'unless you've got G-sync'.
 
Perhaps this has been discussed before, or maybe it's too early to know, but do we have an idea of what hardware is required to hit 1080p@60FPS with high/ultra settings?
 
Dries said:
Wow...... you guys are clearly seeing something I do not lol! What can I say? 45 is more fluid than 30 fps but so unnaturally smooth as 60 fps. I think it looks absolutely fine. I really really do not understand you guy's astonishment. Wow, haha.

I actually think the same way of you guys worshipping 60 fps the same way you guys think of me now with my 45 fps hehe. But that's the glory of PC gaming. To each their own, I guess.
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You should really look into a G-sync monitor if you're gonna do what you're doing.
 
Samus Aran said:
MY EYES! They bleed! Totally jarring. 30 FPS is fine for me. 60 FPS looks so speed-up it's ridonkulus. I have never seen the need for 60 FPS, what does it actually accomplish for you PC-people?
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Dries said:
Wow...... you guys are clearly seeing something I do not lol! What can I say? 45 is more fluid than 30 fps but so unnaturally smooth as 60 fps. I think it looks absolutely fine. I really really do not understand you guy's astonishment. Wow, haha.

I actually think the same way of you guys worshipping 60 fps the same way you guys think of me now with my 45 fps hehe. But that's the glory of PC gaming. To each their own, I guess.
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The main problem with 45fps is that you introduce tearing, because most screens are 60Hz and your framerate isn't a factor of that. 30 and 60 are the most common framerates because they're perfectly in sync with those 60Hz. Unless you have a GSync monitor, 45fps will look terrible, which is the point the others were trying to get across.
 
Wait a sec.... people aren't thinking that capping my framerate at 45 means that my framerate fluctuates between a set 30 and a set 60, right? Let me get this clear. When I say I cap my framerate at 45 I mean that my framerate is a constant 45 fps the whole time. So there's no fluctuation at all, it stays at 45 the whole time. Can't make it any more clear. So there is also no stutter, jutter, or any of that. I use MSI Afterburner btw. I don't have G sync, but I use triple buffering so my fps doesn't fluctuate.
 
Solid Samus said:
holy shit dude, wow. I don't want to be an asshole but there's no stutter for you, because you have G-sync.

You're not acknowledging that without G-sync, 45fps is arguably 'not good', for reasons that have been laid out and which are easily verified, which you haven't addressed. If you weren't busy misrepresenting our posts you might find that the whole reason we're incredulous over the idea of 45fps is because without G-sync, it can be uncomfortable and inconsistent. There is stutter at 45 FPS, guaranteed, period, without G-sync. Which is why our responses to the OP tend to include the stipulation, 'unless you've got G-sync'.
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So screen tearing(with v-sync off) is more prevelent in 45fps than in 30fps on a normal monitor?
 
Dries said:
Wait a sec.... people aren't thinking that capping my framerate at 45 means that my framerate fluctuates between a set 30 and a set 60, right? Let me get this clear. When I say I cap my framerate at 45 I mean that my framerate is a constant 45 fps the whole time. So there's no fluctuation at all, it stays at 45 the whole time. Can't make it any more clear. So there is also no stutter, jutter, or any of that. I use MSI Afterburner btw. I don't have v sync, but I use triple buffering so my fps doesn't fluctuate.
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Yeah we get it. There is a noticeable judder at 45. It's in between even frames.

Windom Earle said:
Not seeing where he says it, but ok, that would make a bit more sense.
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Oh yeah, I quoted the wrong guy lol.
 
Well, I began my second run on 360 this week, and 720p/sub-30fps compared to this trailer.....


HHHNNNNNNGGGGGGGHGH.

I want to play so fast and unnaturally as in this trailer
 
Solid Samus said:
holy shit dude, wow. I don't want to be an asshole but there's no stutter for you, because you have G-sync.

You're not acknowledging that without G-sync, 45fps is arguably 'not good', for reasons that have been laid out and which are easily verified, which you haven't addressed. If you weren't busy misrepresenting our posts you might find that the whole reason we're incredulous over the idea of 45fps is because without G-sync, it can be uncomfortable and inconsistent. There is stutter at 45 FPS, guaranteed, period, without G-sync. Which is why our responses to the OP tend to include the stipulation, 'unless you've got G-sync'.
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sorry saw it wrong but still locking at 45fps on a g-sync monitor is still hilarious and wrong.
 
Phil0sophy said:
Are you using gsync? If not how are you doing that without huge amounts of tearing?
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There wouldn't be tearing. There would be judder. If he's not using G-sync...lol I guess he doesn't notice it? Or perhaps his monitor has some weird 45 Hz mode. IDK...

Nvm if he's not even using V-sync there will be tearing in which case idk man...
 
Damerman said:
So screen tearing(with v-sync off) is more prevelent in 45fps than in 30fps on a normal monitor?
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at 30fps you might as well be playing with V-sync on but yes, there will be a whole lot more screen tearing at 45fps than at 30fps. At 30fps barring issues with frame pacing you'll get fewer instances of screen tearing because frames will be refreshing at regular intervals, at a rate that fits with the refresh rate of your monitor.

at 45 fps on a normal screen you're either going to get intense screen tearing without V-sync, or noticeable and unavoidable judder with V-sync.
 
TheAdmiester said:
It's already true. Higher res textures have already been seen (and are a given anyway), higher quality effects haven't been seen but are assumedly there (I doubt the minigun bullet casings were that detailed on console, and ejected casings normally work like particles in games), extra music is confirmed, and PC exclusive enhancements is already confirmed because the beaufitul headlight shadows from IV are back.
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I really need to have identical footage side by side. I have not played much on consoles, I may be misremembering but from what I've seen of the PC version I don't see much difference at all.
 
Dries said:
I.. don't have any tearing? I really don't see it and I've seen enough screen tearing in my life too notice it too.
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The tearing might not always be noticeable but the judder should be obvious. If not, then that's good for you honestly. I wish I didn't notice things like that.
 
Dries said:
I.. don't have any tearing? I really don't see it and I've seen enough screen tearing in my life too notice it too.
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You either don't see it or have V-sync enabled somewhere on a driver level. And if you have V-sync on for 45 FPS on a 60Hz monitor you are getting judder instead of tearing. If you don't see it I guess that's good for you. Perhaps if you were to compare it at 60 FPS v-synced vs. what you have now you would notice it and not be able to un-see it.
 
Dries said:
Wait a sec.... people aren't thinking that capping my framerate at 45 means that my framerate fluctuates between a set 30 and a set 60, right? Let me get this clear. When I say I cap my framerate at 45 I mean that my framerate is a constant 45 fps the whole time. So there's no fluctuation at all, it stays at 45 the whole time. Can't make it any more clear. So there is also no stutter, jutter, or any of that. I use MSI Afterburner btw. I don't have G sync, but I use triple buffering so my fps doesn't fluctuate.
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Oh shit! someone cheated on me then. Your framerate is fluctuating between 30 and 60 every frame. That's how refreshrate works.

You've gone up to my number one again. Congrats.
 
Dries said:
Wait a sec.... people aren't thinking that capping my framerate at 45 means that my framerate fluctuates between a set 30 and a set 60, right? Let me get this clear. When I say I cap my framerate at 45 I mean that my framerate is a constant 45 fps the whole time. So there's no fluctuation at all, it stays at 45 the whole time. Can't make it any more clear. So there is also no stutter, jutter, or any of that. I use MSI Afterburner btw. I don't have G sync, but I use triple buffering so my fps doesn't fluctuate.
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Lol
 
Swarna said:
You either don't see it or have V-sync enabled somewhere on a driver level. And if you have V-sync on for 45 FPS on a 60Hz monitor you are getting judder instead of tearing. If you don't see it I guess that's good for you. Perhaps if you were to compare it at 60 FPS v-synced vs. what you have now you would notice it and not be able to un-see it.
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That's the worst. Being totally oblivious to something then somebody showing you the issue then not being able to go back to how you were.
 
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