So, Rockstar, suddenly framerate is something that sells games, yes?
Ok.
Giving a specific target market what they want, sells games.
Ok.
So, Rockstar, suddenly framerate is something that sells games, yes?
Ok.
So I just watched the new PC trailer and one thing is already certain for me: I will absolutely not play this game at 60 fps. It just looks so smooth it's unnatural. I recently bought a GTX 980 and never ever do I play games at 60 fps. People are probably thinking WTF, but I just do not like the look and feel of 60 fps. Let me explain:
I consider (almost) every videogame I play as an interactive movie, so 30 fps isn't always a bad thing for me. "Why did I buy a 980 when I don't even play at 60 fps?" I hear people ask? Because I like to downsample the fuck out of every game. Downsampling is, for me, more important than achieving a "perfect" 60 fps. I don't play games at 30 fps either though. I love 30 fps for it's cinematic feel, but it's just too stuttery for me, whereas 60 fps is too smooth. The solution? Cap the framerate at 45 fps. Best of both worlds! 45 fps is my perfect framerate and it also allows me to DSR the shit out of every game! So while most people will be playing GTA V at 1920 x 1080 60fps, I'll be aiming more for something like 2880 x 1620p at a capped 45 fps.
tl;dr
I bought a GTX 980, but never play at 60fps. Instead I cap the fps at 45 and use my 980 to downsample. IQ > Framerate
For me it was the worst. Nothing like a smooth song suddenly getting derailed with fuck-this-fuck-that nonsense. I have no problem with rap, but for me it ruined an otherwise pretty good song. I like what they did to the original instrumental.
I'll be surprised if this is true but okay.
45 fps. Ok. Most incredible nonsense I read in years.
45 fps. Ok. Most incredible nonsense I read in years.
but G-sync.Yup. Refresh rates how does it work???
Each to their own but I think you're insane for buying a PC and deliberately throttling one of the main reasons of buying said PC. But as I said each to their own.
Wtf, 45fps is even worse. Anywhere in between 30 and 60 is unnatural.
Maybe he's got dat G-sync? Otherwise, he's being ridiculous.
Yeah, without G-sync it is sort of ridiculous. Far me it for me to say someone's squandering a thousand dollar build so long as they like what they're getting out of it, but wow, I've never heard that one before.
but hey, I appreciate downsampling as much as the next guy because every time I engage in it the difference leaves me fucking breathless. (if you can downsample GTA V from 4k at 30fps on your build I absolutely could not blame you for choosing that over 1080p/60! Those screens hhngngngng) So I can understand choosing it over framerate. 45fps, though? Might as well just kick her down to thirty and go balls out because 45 FPS is just weird
I mean, it's not, but locking oneself to 45fps is just not something I can wrap my head around o.0 because at its best a framerate like that would leave you with a predictable and jarring stutter like release-day Bethesda games
lol you people are radical 60fps fanatics... thats what i can't wrap my head around. I totally understand where Dries... i even kind of agree. If i didn't have G-sync, i would do the same thing that he does for his games... but since i have G-sync... i don't care about the variability of my frames. I also agree that GTAV at 60fps looks weird. please don't burn me at the stake.
So I just watched the new PC trailer and one thing is already certain for me: I will absolutely not play this game at 60 fps. It just looks so smooth it's unnatural. I recently bought a GTX 980 and never ever do I play games at 60 fps. People are probably thinking WTF, but I just do not like the look and feel of 60 fps. Let me explain:
I consider (almost) every videogame I play as an interactive movie, so 30 fps isn't always a bad thing for me. "Why did I buy a 980 when I don't even play at 60 fps?" I hear people ask? Because I like to downsample the fuck out of every game. Downsampling is, for me, more important than achieving a "perfect" 60 fps. I don't play games at 30 fps either though. I love 30 fps for it's cinematic feel, but it's just too stuttery for me, whereas 60 fps is too smooth. The solution? Cap the framerate at 45 fps. Best of both worlds! 45 fps is my perfect framerate and it also allows me to DSR the shit out of every game! So while most people will be playing GTA V at 1920 x 1080 60fps, I'll be aiming more for something like 2880 x 1620p at a capped 45 fps.
tl;dr
I bought a GTX 980, but never play at 60fps. Instead I cap the fps at 45 and use my 980 to downsample. IQ > Framerate
He's got G-Sync, so not at all nonsense. He really should have said it up front though. Or maybe he doesn't? If so, he IS crazy.
Best of both worlds lol.45fps. You are genius.
Where are people getting this game supporting 3D vision from?
He's got G-Sync, so not at all nonsense. He really should have said it up front though. Or maybe he doesn't? If so, he IS crazy.
45fps. You are genius. The IQ must be hard to appreciate through the stutter, though.
Hey I am a PC gamer (to a degree) and I find 60FPS to feel a bit "fast forward" in cut scenes. in gameplay its different because it makes you feel like you have finer control. But n cut scenes it's still weird to me.
The main reason I bought said PC is so that I could downsample a whoooole lot. 60 fps is not main reason I bought my PC, in fact it's not a reason at allSo I'm not throttling anything. 60 fps may be your reason, but it ain't mine.
Wow...... you guys are clearly seeing something I do not lol! What can I say? 45 is more fluid than 30 fps but so unnaturally smooth as 60 fps. I think it looks absolutely fine. I really really do not understand you guy's astonishment. Wow, haha.
I actually think the same way of you guys worshipping 60 fps the same way you guys think of me now with my 45 fps hehe. But that's the glory of PC gaming. To each their own, I guess.
but G-sync.
Must. Not. Triple. Dip.
I'm the one who has G-sync... i don't know about Dries though... also 45fps is good... wtf is up with people acting like he is crazy for preferring it?
this is incredible.
there is no stutter at 45 fps...
hold on, are you guys being ironic?
Wow...... you guys are clearly seeing something I do not lol! What can I say? 45 is more fluid than 30 fps but so unnaturally smooth as 60 fps. I think it looks absolutely fine. I really really do not understand you guy's astonishment. Wow, haha.
I actually think the same way of you guys worshipping 60 fps the same way you guys think of me now with my 45 fps hehe. But that's the glory of PC gaming. To each their own, I guess.
MY EYES! They bleed! Totally jarring. 30 FPS is fine for me. 60 FPS looks so speed-up it's ridonkulus. I have never seen the need for 60 FPS, what does it actually accomplish for you PC-people?
Wow...... you guys are clearly seeing something I do not lol! What can I say? 45 is more fluid than 30 fps but so unnaturally smooth as 60 fps. I think it looks absolutely fine. I really really do not understand you guy's astonishment. Wow, haha.
I actually think the same way of you guys worshipping 60 fps the same way you guys think of me now with my 45 fps hehe. But that's the glory of PC gaming. To each their own, I guess.
When talking to customers of a platform which can handle those framerates? Yes.
At full price to make it worse. :'(
So screen tearing(with v-sync off) is more prevelent in 45fps than in 30fps on a normal monitor?holy shit dude, wow. I don't want to be an asshole but there's no stutter for you, because you have G-sync.
You're not acknowledging that without G-sync, 45fps is arguably 'not good', for reasons that have been laid out and which are easily verified, which you haven't addressed. If you weren't busy misrepresenting our posts you might find that the whole reason we're incredulous over the idea of 45fps is because without G-sync, it can be uncomfortable and inconsistent. There is stutter at 45 FPS, guaranteed, period, without G-sync. Which is why our responses to the OP tend to include the stipulation, 'unless you've got G-sync'.
Yeah we get it. There is a noticeable judder at 45. It's in between even frames.Wait a sec.... people aren't thinking that capping my framerate at 45 means that my framerate fluctuates between a set 30 and a set 60, right? Let me get this clear. When I say I cap my framerate at 45 I mean that my framerate is a constant 45 fps the whole time. So there's no fluctuation at all, it stays at 45 the whole time. Can't make it any more clear. So there is also no stutter, jutter, or any of that. I use MSI Afterburner btw. I don't have v sync, but I use triple buffering so my fps doesn't fluctuate.
Not seeing where he says it, but ok, that would make a bit more sense.
holy shit dude, wow. I don't want to be an asshole but there's no stutter for you, because you have G-sync.
You're not acknowledging that without G-sync, 45fps is arguably 'not good', for reasons that have been laid out and which are easily verified, which you haven't addressed. If you weren't busy misrepresenting our posts you might find that the whole reason we're incredulous over the idea of 45fps is because without G-sync, it can be uncomfortable and inconsistent. There is stutter at 45 FPS, guaranteed, period, without G-sync. Which is why our responses to the OP tend to include the stipulation, 'unless you've got G-sync'.
The human eye can't seet past 5 hours. 2.5 hours if is 60fps.
Starting from the first delay it was in the PR http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2475084,00.asp
And it's suprising, nvidia barely supports it themselves
Are you using gsync? If not how are you doing that without huge amounts of tearing?
If he's not using G-sync...lol I guess he doesn't notice it?
So screen tearing(with v-sync off) is more prevelent in 45fps than in 30fps on a normal monitor?
Are you using gsync? If not how are you doing that without huge amounts of tearing?
It's already true. Higher res textures have already been seen (and are a given anyway), higher quality effects haven't been seen but are assumedly there (I doubt the minigun bullet casings were that detailed on console, and ejected casings normally work like particles in games), extra music is confirmed, and PC exclusive enhancements is already confirmed because the beaufitul headlight shadows from IV are back.
I.. don't have any tearing? I really don't see it and I've seen enough screen tearing in my life too notice it too.
I.. don't have any tearing? I really don't see it and I've seen enough screen tearing in my life too notice it too.
Wait a sec.... people aren't thinking that capping my framerate at 45 means that my framerate fluctuates between a set 30 and a set 60, right? Let me get this clear. When I say I cap my framerate at 45 I mean that my framerate is a constant 45 fps the whole time. So there's no fluctuation at all, it stays at 45 the whole time. Can't make it any more clear. So there is also no stutter, jutter, or any of that. I use MSI Afterburner btw. I don't have G sync, but I use triple buffering so my fps doesn't fluctuate.
Wait a sec.... people aren't thinking that capping my framerate at 45 means that my framerate fluctuates between a set 30 and a set 60, right? Let me get this clear. When I say I cap my framerate at 45 I mean that my framerate is a constant 45 fps the whole time. So there's no fluctuation at all, it stays at 45 the whole time. Can't make it any more clear. So there is also no stutter, jutter, or any of that. I use MSI Afterburner btw. I don't have G sync, but I use triple buffering so my fps doesn't fluctuate.
You either don't see it or have V-sync enabled somewhere on a driver level. And if you have V-sync on for 45 FPS on a 60Hz monitor you are getting judder instead of tearing. If you don't see it I guess that's good for you. Perhaps if you were to compare it at 60 FPS v-synced vs. what you have now you would notice it and not be able to un-see it.