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Guardians of the Galaxy 3 reviews

Toons

Member
Problem with BP2 is that it was mourning a real world death that didn't have to impact the cinematic world at all and it just led to silly stuff like his hidden illegitimate (I think) kid. A comic book world having real stakes isn't too much to ask I don't think. I've little doubt we will see RDJ and Chris Evans again because Disney knows that will put asses in seats.

Thats entirely up to the actors. Chris Evans left of his own volition.

People will say the relationship world death didnt have to impact the comic world but I argue that for many people it kinda did. If you weren't already a comics nut that dude WAS Tchalla. And the death was so sudden and shocking that I think it would have been folly to not give some sort of acknowledgement of the thing, whilst still setting up for future tchalla stories. This to me was better than a quick recast with no acknowledgement, but it also wasn't foolish enough to shirk tchalla entirely.

Irs always a gamble when you're doing recast of lead roles. Because you dont know if an audience will accept them, even if they have every reason to.its happened before.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Thats entirely up to the actors. Chris Evans left of his own volition.

People will say the relationship world death didnt have to impact the comic world but I argue that for many people it kinda did. If you weren't already a comics nut that dude WAS Tchalla. And the death was so sudden and shocking that I think it would have been folly to not give some sort of acknowledgement of the thing, whilst still setting up for future tchalla stories. This to me was better than a quick recast with no acknowledgement, but it also wasn't foolish enough to shirk tchalla entirely.

Irs always a gamble when you're doing recast of lead roles. Because you dont know if an audience will accept them, even if they have every reason to.its happened before.
See, that's my point. What happens in comic book movie land should have NO BEARING on what the actors do or want. Kill the character, boo hoo to the actor. If the actor wants out or too much money, then recast. The STORY should dictate everything and the STORY should have lasting impact.
 

Toons

Member
See, that's my point. What happens in comic book movie land should have NO BEARING on what the actors do or want. Kill the character, boo hoo to the actor. If the actor wants out or too much money, then recast. The STORY should dictate everything and the STORY should have lasting impact.

That sounds nice on paper but its not realistic.

The reality is that the movies cannot match the infinite longevity of the comics characters for obvious reasons and casting of characters in these movies involves far more than just drawing them on the page. There are contracts, availability, and salaries at play, and sometimes those contracts extend beyond the character actually appearing.

If they had simply replaced Evans at the end of endgame and pretended like nothing happened, I dont think that would've been well recieved at all, because after all people are coming back to the mcu for these guys and they become very attached to the characters they portray. If they were to try and bring back iron man full time and it NOT be RDJ they'd almost certainly recover backlash and also waste an actor who could've played another character.
 

wondermega

Member
Finally saw this a couple of nights ago. I have been Marvel'd out like a lot of folks, but I knew this film would at the very least be a good time. After marinating on it a bit, I did enjoy it. First movie came out of left field, as everyone knows, and the follow-up (and other GOTG appearances) have all been handled well enough. I really enjoyed Suicide Squad so I figured this would likely be a fitting swan-song to the franchise that brought Gunn's career to the next level.

First of all, they went really hard with this movie, in a lot of ways - particularly, with the emotional beats (from the very beginning) all the way down the line, I was surprised to see them go there in a film like this. I have a lot of respect for a filmmaker who can take a basically goofy space-series with lots of crazy looking talking cyber-animals and aliens and really tug at the viewer's heartstrings like this. It felt very carefully handled and respectfully done, but it was definitely a surprise I wasn't expecting.

Secondly, the movie looked as good as any that you'd expect from top-tier Marvel these days. Really trumpeting the whole "we make SO much money with these things, so we are going to go the whole nine yards," the sets and costumes and everything were just so overboard. A lot of it looked crazy and goofy, obviously, but I loved that it went really into the 70s, 80s comic book vibe which I'd expect would traditionally be really difficult to translate to the big screen. Here they did it and made it look - well not effortless, but again very professionally handled. They also spent tons of f-you money on Ant Man 3, but whereas I felt everything was.. NEEDLESSLY overboard in that film, they really put things together properly in this film by comparison. Growing up with sci-fi, superhero films decades ago, you had exactly NONE of that stuff at such a level, you'd get crazy matte paintings or insane creature effects, which were always cool but still reminded you constantly that things were only able to realize a fraction of the vision that they would love to convey. As a viewer you'd kind of need to use your imagination a lot and let things slide (this wasn't a bad thing at all, mind you - but things are VERY different now). Anyway it's shocking to see what Gunn & his team can put together given such a massive budget and tech.

Problems - too many characters. I understand that it's a team film, and they have to put in a few new characters to keep it lively, but for me I felt like all the main characters were barely there for much of the film. They had plenty to do, and it was constantly action-action-action which is fine, but this series has always had some (relatively) charming/interesting chemistry with all of the players involved and here you mostly saw a lot of that get chopped up and delivered in little bursts. It felt like if they scaled back a bit of the cast/things for them to do and gave them some breathing room, it would give the characters a little space to be a little more HUMAN. I can appreciate that the people who make these things are mostly concerned with moving from setpiece to setpiece, but perhaps if there was less for them to do they could just have expressed themselves some more. This connects directly to the next problem I have, likely the other major issue really..

The film was way too long. I don't mind a big picture, and cramming a lot of stuff in there, but that can be hard to achieve and a film like this is just pushing to do too much. I am sure Gunn got carte blanche and was going to take such an opportunity to flesh out everything as much as he'd like, but I wish someone would have reined him him and got him to just gut the movie to some considerable degree. "It had to all be in there, this was all necessary" sure, but even as good as it is, when you have this long between installments, things just feel overloaded, sometimes simpler is better, easier to digest. At this point I don't care which, they could have probably cut "pick any major extended sequence" out from the film and overall it would have been better for it, no matter which one it was. I mean the Counter-Earth stuff was fascinating and it was really a treat that they just even WENT there, but to make a real impact with the weirdness of that stuff I feel like they would probably want to lanquish in that world some more rather than just stretch a weird joke out as long as they did. They didn't need THAT whole segment plus the body-fortress in the same film, as much as I love them both for going as thoroughly invested with both as they did.

Anyway this was the last Marvel movie that I was sure I "needed" to see, besides whatever is coming down the road in however many years with Secret Wars (perhaps.. perhaps..) so I feel satisfied to have seen how this trilogy has closed out, and happy to be mostly done with superhero films for a good little while personally.
 

Dr.Morris79

Gold Member
Went to see it tonight with the kids. I rarely cry while watching movies but i cried in front of them because of rocket's buddies. Fuck that was sad

At least we all cried lol
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Spyxos

Member


In this exclusive unfinished deleted scene, titled "Knowhere After the Battle," the High Evolutionary is brought back to Knowhere and locked up while Kraglin recruits Adam Warlock to join the Guardians.
 

FunkMiller

Member
Well fuck me sideways. This was actually pretty damn good. Literally the only thing to come out of the MCU recently that’s been worth a shit. The stuff with Rocket was the best thing about it. I wanted to skin that High Evolutionary bastard alive, and Rocket’s backstory is the best in the whole MCU.

Feeling a bit more optimistic about the new DCU after that.
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I heard Sylvester Stallone appears in this movie again? So was he only in it for a short time as a cameo like the previous movie?
 

Batiman

Banned
I heard Sylvester Stallone appears in this movie again? So was he only in it for a short time as a cameo like the previous movie?
Ya about the same length from what I can remember. Maybe a tad more screen time? Nothing big but it’s cool the old man gets to play a niche marvel character. It suits him
 

Mistake

Member
This movie gave me serious Sid from Toy Story vibes. I thought the movie was decent, too mushy for me, but my girlfriend really enjoyed it
 
I thought it was distinctly average. Reminded me of the last Thor film where Taika was given too much free rein to indulge himself. The flashbacks with Rocket were decent.
 
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OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
It's amazing how quickly time goes these days in the world of media. I feel like it was just yesterday i was talking to my gf about seeing this one in the theater and we missed it but it's already out on digital. Remember when it would take at least a full year for a movie to come to media after its theatrical run?
 

Ulysses 31

Member
It's amazing how quickly time goes these days in the world of media. I feel like it was just yesterday i was talking to my gf about seeing this one in the theater and we missed it but it's already out on digital. Remember when it would take at least a full year for a movie to come to media after its theatrical run?
I remember back in the VHS days it took 2 years for a movie just to appear in rental stores after theatre release. :messenger_winking_tongue:
 

Batiman

Banned
My brain is still wired to this, and it still feels shocking how fast movies become available after hitting theaters.
Ya this really hit me when dungeons and dragons came to Netflix last week. I swear that movie was just in theatres not even a year ago. Also the fact that Netflix used to be horrible in the early days. Time also seems to be flying by since Covid hit. I couldn’t believe the first spider verse came out 5 years ago…..
 

BlackTron

Member
Ya this really hit me when dungeons and dragons came to Netflix last week. I swear that movie was just in theatres not even a year ago. Also the fact that Netflix used to be horrible in the early days. Time also seems to be flying by since Covid hit. I couldn’t believe the first spider verse came out 5 years ago…..

Not even a year ago? I did not even need to go to the theater for my second viewing of the Mario movie, you could watch it on demand in May...man when I saw that it's like the voice in my head said "you know nothing fool/john snow" in both voices, with reverb effect
 

Kenpachii

Member
Solid movie, nothing special. weakest so far. predictable story line. Drama was solid, hour to long.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
Are there more or less 'comedic' elements in this film than Thor Love & Thunder?
Yes, a lot less slapstick and the humor landed much better for me. It's a far darker film for sure, as TL+T made light of cancer and child kidnapping while this film hits you with quite a few kidney punches. The GOTG films were always hard for me to quantify as they have such an odd narrative structure, but for me this one was the best FILM. GOTG1 is a more fun film though, 2 was a bit too far into Gunn world for me.
 

Dural

Member
I love all three, to me the GOTG trilogy is easily the best in the MCU. I can make a case as to why each one is the best. 3 was a bit of a departure from the other two, and I know some don't like that, but I really enjoyed it. I think the soundtrack wasn't nearly as good as the first two though. I'd probably rank them 2, 1, and 3 but it could change with more viewings. I'm a stepdad, so the scene in 2 where Yandu says "He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy." really hit home. I also really liked The Sovereign, Elizabeth Debicki is ridiculously hot!
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
Are there more or less 'comedic' elements in this film than Thor Love & Thunder?

It’d be harder for it to have more since it felt like Love & Thunder was constantly going for comedy, undercutting its serious moments to do so. This has a broader tonal range.
 
Well fuck me sideways. This was actually pretty damn good. Literally the only thing to come out of the MCU recently that’s been worth a shit. The stuff with Rocket was the best thing about it. I wanted to skin that High Evolutionary bastard alive, and Rocket’s backstory is the best in the whole MCU.

Feeling a bit more optimistic about the new DCU after that.

Yeah, that's about how I felt as well. This was light years better than anything that's come out of the MCU since the end of phase three. Disney was a fool for not snapping up Gunn when they had the chance. I guess now we'll see how he handles being in charge of movies that he doesn't write and direct, as I assume he's not going to personally make every DCU movie.
 

BlackTron

Member
Well this got bumped at the right time as I finally saw the movie last night. I was really into Rocket's backstory, but it was too heavy-handed on the execution and delivery. Very early I called what was going to happen and I got surprised looks, "really??" and just said yup, it would help explain why Rocket is such a cynical asshole.

Spoilers--I really really like the concept, I just wish they gave me some credit to be capable of feeling something without being beaten over the head with it and instructed exactly how to feel with dialog that seemed more suited to kiddie Disney. The extended cut of the Pokemon Mewtwo movie did a better job of the same thing. There's all kinds of age-inappropriate freaky stuff in the movie so it's a really jarring transition from that to Rocket's story, which has real resonance, but...treats you like a kid? I'm not against a film having an emotional backbone or getting a little sappy, I just felt like the audience's feelings were being manipulated so it got a little hard for me to take seriously. I was ready for the otter to stick with me, but its dialog made it seem like an engineered stunt to get a reaction from me than a real character to have lost. I also thought her dialog in their final scene, with Rocket on the operating table, was kinda jumbled and didn't stick the landing. They're nitpicks, but as the emotional center of the movie, kinda a let down.

Nonetheless it did set up a good revenge story. Despite those flaws I was still angry and HATED the villain. I did think it was weird counter-earth was destroyed, but at least all the lower life forms that resulted in the creation of a counter-earth were saved...and oh orphans. Can't forget orphans, they were pretty much put on the ship JUST to fix that lol. And the Zune. At least he didn't almost die for an iPod. Could have been excellent with 20-40 less minutes, less blatant heartsting pulling and maybe take out Warlock who just didn't need to be there. As is, merely good...which is high marks for MCU these days
 

Toons

Member
Well this got bumped at the right time as I finally saw the movie last night. I was really into Rocket's backstory, but it was too heavy-handed on the execution and delivery. Very early I called what was going to happen and I got surprised looks, "really??" and just said yup, it would help explain why Rocket is such a cynical asshole.

Spoilers--I really really like the concept, I just wish they gave me some credit to be capable of feeling something without being beaten over the head with it and instructed exactly how to feel with dialog that seemed more suited to kiddie Disney. The extended cut of the Pokemon Mewtwo movie did a better job of the same thing. There's all kinds of age-inappropriate freaky stuff in the movie so it's a really jarring transition from that to Rocket's story, which has real resonance, but...treats you like a kid? I'm not against a film having an emotional backbone or getting a little sappy, I just felt like the audience's feelings were being manipulated so it got a little hard for me to take seriously. I was ready for the otter to stick with me, but its dialog made it seem like an engineered stunt to get a reaction from me than a real character to have lost. I also thought her dialog in their final scene, with Rocket on the operating table, was kinda jumbled and didn't stick the landing. They're nitpicks, but as the emotional center of the movie, kinda a let down.

Nonetheless it did set up a good revenge story. Despite those flaws I was still angry and HATED the villain. I did think it was weird counter-earth was destroyed, but at least all the lower life forms that resulted in the creation of a counter-earth were saved...and oh orphans. Can't forget orphans, they were pretty much put on the ship JUST to fix that lol. And the Zune. At least he didn't almost die for an iPod. Could have been excellent with 20-40 less minutes, less blatant heartsting pulling and maybe take out Warlock who just didn't need to be there. As is, merely good...which is high marks for MCU these days

I honestly hate this new age concept of "audience manipulation" as if, all movies aren't designed to manipulate an audience to feel a certain way through manufactured construction and placement of scenes.

I think that's the wrong way to criticize something for being overly indulgent, which I think is what you're actually saying. That its manipulation is a given. But some movies handle it well enough where you care whats happening and some fail so that you dont care.

For me, I cared a whole lot watching this movie, so I feel like they did something right. I didnt cate at all when superman died in BvS, which means they failed to make that scene matter.
 

BlackTron

Member
I honestly hate this new age concept of "audience manipulation" as if, all movies aren't designed to manipulate an audience to feel a certain way through manufactured construction and placement of scenes.

I think that's the wrong way to criticize something for being overly indulgent, which I think is what you're actually saying. That its manipulation is a given. But some movies handle it well enough where you care whats happening and some fail so that you dont care.

For me, I cared a whole lot watching this movie, so I feel like they did something right. I didnt cate at all when superman died in BvS, which means they failed to make that scene matter.

While typing this I thought the same thing -well duh, movies are supposed to make us feel stuff, isn't "manipulating a feeling" the point?

When I say manipulation, I mean maybe I would have liked a more grounded approach than intentionally going after our baser instincts as a "shortcut"-it feels like a manipulation of the audience to get away with said shortcut, by taking material from Bambi. Just make an extremely soft-soften character with the cutest face possible and Disney dialog.

It's done in SUCH a heavy-handed way, where you are basically being instructed exactly how to feel, that it loses its authenticity -like when you make a joke and the joke works because it was too over-the-top to be real, so it's funny/silly. Hell, they sprinkled orphans on top. It may as well have been everyone AND KNUCKLES.
 

Trogdor1123

Member
Saw it last night with the family and liked it. The high evolutionary is a bad dude which was good. My kids hated the ending but I liked it. I do wish they had handled warlock better. The mask part was nonsense too, if you can do all that stuff, you could easily fix stuff with no issue.

Needs more Fillion!

Cosmo is not bad at all, I’d even say good. You will understand if you have seen it.
 

Evil Calvin

Afraid of Boobs
I don't know what's going on with Marvel and Disney. I used to go see almost every Marvel movie in the theaters and I don't think I have seen any since Avengers Endgame in 2019. So, 4 years I guess. They slate of movies and heroes have been super underwhelming. Get the X-Men and FF movie out!! Ditch the stupid 'Young Avengers' and maybe release an actual Defenders movie with the actual heroes (Sub Mariner, Hulk, Dr. Strange...and maybe add in Nighthawk, Hellcat and true Valkyrie.
 

Toons

Member
While typing this I thought the same thing -well duh, movies are supposed to make us feel stuff, isn't "manipulating a feeling" the point?

When I say manipulation, I mean maybe I would have liked a more grounded approach than intentionally going after our baser instincts as a "shortcut"-it feels like a manipulation of the audience to get away with said shortcut, by taking material from Bambi. Just make an extremely soft-soften character with the cutest face possible and Disney dialog.

It's done in SUCH a heavy-handed way, where you are basically being instructed exactly how to feel, that it loses its authenticity -like when you make a joke and the joke works because it was too over-the-top to be real, so it's funny/silly. Hell, they sprinkled orphans on top. It may as well have been everyone AND KNUCKLES.

I get what you're saying. I feel like the juxtaposition between what's there and what he ends up being as an adult is very much intentional, given that rocket was incredibly naive as a child and viewed the world in that lens but very quickly had to face what he was actually in for.

Anyone even mildly familiar with his comics story, or general moviegoers tropes pretty much knew it was going to end badly, but even having perceived that I felt like it was well done and sells the image of what we know him as today.

It was a little hokey, but James Gunn features that in a lot of his movies... even the very first guardians movie has these bits, like when Peter flashes back to seeing his mom right before grabbing the stone. Its not very subtle, but its earnest at least.
 

BlackTron

Member
Lol at comparing this movie to the first Pokemon movie. Which actually is phoned in cringy garbage.
I'm talking about the extended Japanese cut, where Mewtwo spends time in captivity in the cloning laboratory. He psionically communicates with other clones in the facility, and their deaths contribute to his damaged personality.

I'm not saying the entire Pokemon movie is better than Guardians in totality, but this plot point was very similar and it's telling that I thought Guardians phoned it in more Disneyesque than freaking Pokemon did. They didn't even want to show it to an American audience.
 
While typing this I thought the same thing -well duh, movies are supposed to make us feel stuff, isn't "manipulating a feeling" the point?

When I say manipulation, I mean maybe I would have liked a more grounded approach than intentionally going after our baser instincts as a "shortcut"-it feels like a manipulation of the audience to get away with said shortcut, by taking material from Bambi. Just make an extremely soft-soften character with the cutest face possible and Disney dialog.

It's done in SUCH a heavy-handed way, where you are basically being instructed exactly how to feel, that it loses its authenticity -like when you make a joke and the joke works because it was too over-the-top to be real, so it's funny/silly. Hell, they sprinkled orphans on top. It may as well have been everyone AND KNUCKLES.
I liked Guardians 3 a lot, but I do see where you're coming from. All good film making is "manipulation" but when it's a little too heavy handed, I think the audience can have some resentment for that sort of thing.

 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Serious answer, it was good.

A bit too much at times—Gunn already leans on throwing a bunch of kids in his movies and then threatening them to establish stakes, and here he does that AND has cute mistreated anthropomorphic lab animals, AND all the sentimental romantic and family elements. A lot of continuous heartstring pulling, became exhausting.

Also, it doesn’t matter to me personally as an adult viewer but this seemed like it should not have been PG-13 with all the explicit horror and torture. Yet the character interactions felt very childish.

Still has a lot of creative energy though, whereas the other MCU films are so stale looking I haven’t bothered lately.
 

BlackTron

Member
Serious answer, it was good.

A bit too much at times—Gunn already leans on throwing a bunch of kids in his movies and then threatening them to establish stakes, and here he does that AND has cute mistreated anthropomorphic lab animals, AND all the sentimental romantic and family elements. A lot of continuous heartstring pulling, became exhausting.

Also, it doesn’t matter to me personally as an adult viewer but this seemed like it should not have been PG-13 with all the explicit horror and torture. Yet the character interactions felt very childish.

Still has a lot of creative energy though, whereas the other MCU films are so stale looking I haven’t bothered lately.

Pretty much exactly my thoughts. The horror/torture put against the character interactions made it seem tonally unaware of itself. I was like, I can't excuse this as being meant for kids, because it is CLEARLY not meant for kids. But it was still good and the first MCU I even bothered with in some time.

Due to the strength of Guardians 1 and the long running time highlighting any flaws, it's easy to subtract points for this or that, but it still adds up to a good movie. Again, just not excellent, though parts of it were, especially in its scope (it's a BIG movie) and craftsmanship of the visuals/effects/costumes/sets.
 

Sony

Nintendo
Saw it on D+, I really liked it. Haven't enjoyed a MCU movie or series in a very long time. Black Panther 2 was the last one.
The only thing I didn't like was Adam Warlock.
(a) He was an annoyance in the whole movie
(b) Will Poulter still looks like a douche and is the wrong actor for the role.
 
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wondermega

Member
Rewatched this on D+ (saw it in the theater, I have an earlier post on this page). I think I kinda liked it better on the rewatch actually, after having a little time to sit with it. I intended to just catch a few scenes but ended up pretty glued for the whole thing - it really is a triumph of modern technical filmmaking in a way (the actual production). Again it's not "some great movie" but certainly enjoyable to kick back and pass time with, and endless eye-candy. I am curious to see how long it will be before Marvel/Disney can top this, nothing else they've made since Endgame gets close in my eyes (actually, I probably enjoyed this more than EG - Infinity War is the high watermark for me).
 

Mossybrew

Banned
Caught it this weekend on the D and yeah, I liked it, I think it wraps up their story pretty well. Probably a bit overlong, and it tries to push those emotion buttons a bit too hard, but those are minor complaints. That hallway fight scene was an all-time banger.
 

roxya

Member
It was a bit strange for me. The story was totally focused on Rocket, yet also sidelined him by having him lying unconscious for 95% of the movie. I missed the dynamic he usually brings.

Adam Warlock's role was kind of forgettable. Also the soundtrack wasn't handled well. But otherwise, I enjoyed it a lot.

That hallway fight scene was an all-time banger.
Indeed it was!
 
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