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dang. mats shot up about another 2s each. Oh well, I still make a ton of gold.
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Complistic
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I think it may be sub level 80 stat combo.
It's a lower level two-stat Power/Magic Find combo right now.
Mr_Antimatter
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Pillagers is a 2 stat lv of crafting I think.
Eh?
It's interesting. They're doing two things here that they're not spelling out.
1. I'm not sure how many of the new refined materials are tradeable, but if the right ones are (and especially if that Essence of Luck is) they just made crafting more valuable. GW2 became more of a raw material market rather than a crafting market in part because weapons and armor didn't have durability. There was no personal reason to keep acquiring new stuff, so you just sold it to a vendor or used the Mystic Forge. Now crafted materials will consistently be worth more than what goes in to make them.
2. The more things that are tradeable and valuable, the more gold goes through the Trading Post. The more gold that goes through the Trading Post, the more of a gold sink the Trading Post becomes. Along with the salvaging of blues and greens instead of vendoring them for extra silver, more money will be sucked out of the economy to help with any concerns of inflation.
Edit: That's all of the positive. The negative is more vertical progression.
DING DING DING. People honestly thought ANet injected a lot of gold into the economy with no plans to take it out. This is all part of the plan in making gold sinks and parts of the world more rewarding to play in.
Somewhat. A lot is from JP, dungeons, etc, which doesn't impact the price at all(if anything it offsets it). Even with mat prices going up a bit, the list people are talking about on Reddit doesn't look that bad(again, assuming you gather them yourself and not straight TP buy).
Complistic
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You need to use that thing 345,000 times for it to pay for itself. even then I would probably get it if it had a journeyman level salvage rate, but if I'm salvaging, I don't want it to be 5%.
The convenience of not having to keep buying Salvage Kits, running out when I need inventory space, and just not having to worry about kits in general is enough for me. I'll be playing this game for a loooooooong time; believe me, it'll pay for itself many times over.
Also, I have enough BL Kits to handle my rares and exotics until kingdom come. Blues and greens for simple Essences of Luck? Worth it.
So if I'm reading this correctly, there will be no Ascended weapons on the trading post and one must create (or find) one themselves? I like.
I've been toying with the idea of getting one of those myself. Looks so damn convenient. Also want the unlimited use gathering tools, but hate that they are soulbound.
I've been toying with the idea of getting one of those myself. Looks so damn convenient. Also want the unlimited use gathering tools, but hate that they are soulbound.
The crafting news. It's awful. To keep my three characters at the same current power cap without losing any build variety (which is part of what this game is built on), assuming each piece takes 2 weeks, it will take 92 weeks. That's how long of a grind I have to rejoin the "plateau" unless I want to just give up maintaining multiple builds or characters. Hell that's assuming I play every day; even if I get lucky and find a weapon or two to shorten that by 2-4 weeks I am pretty sure I won't be able to play every day from now until 2015.
Hard to support this, in my opinion.
Complistic
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Crafting takes about 10 minutes and 10 gold (average I'd say. Cooking takes like 5 gold for instance) or so to completely max at the moment.
And crafting is a godsend for alts, what with all the levels you gain easily. Not really sure what you're thinking about here.
edit: and it's ascended weapons right now isn't it? Ascended armor isn't even going to be out for a while.
No I didn't base it on just MF ofc but I expect to be given a choice of a new stat like every other MF gear in the game. Celestial is obviously overbudget but the reason this is okay is because of the points being spread out to many different stats so you aren't as effective in one area as the traditional three-stat distribution. They should give a choice of a stat to replace the lost MF or just distribute the lost MF budget across the remaining stats. It just feels like celestial is being singled out to lose overall item budget when every other kind of MF gear gets some sort of buff to balance out the nerf from losing MF and therefore will have the same item budget.
You see it as a buff to the other sets. That's the problem. It's a replacement, not a buff, to the old sets. And even without Magic Find, Celestial is still over budget.
It's not a buff to the other sets, it's just to maintain their overall item budget. Meanwhile celestial loses overall item budget. Nerfing one set while keeping other sets at their same overall quality is not okay to me.
Either way, the blog post said
so I'll probably double click to just switch over to Berserker's or something if it bothers me that much.
Noisy Ninj4
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They'll probably have alternative aquisition out there for that stuff. Better yet, you can still gather up mats and sell them for hyper-inflated prices since everyone else is desperately buying them up.
PS: Sell your T1-4 gems now (wood/metal if you don't care for the ascended stuff). Everyone and their dog is furiously buying up materials to level up their crafting.
I've reaffirmed my faith in my fighter cleric build. Y'all can stop holding your breath.
After watching a video Neko (I'm pretty sure) posted, I decided to spec for full regeneration. I dropped Warrior's Sprint for Dogged March to get the regen proc, as well as adding regen food. That's four sources of regen.
After watching a video Neko (I'm pretty sure) posted, I decided to spec for full regeneration. I dropped Warrior's Sprint for Dogged March to get the regen proc, as well as adding regen food. That's four sources of regen.
You probably won't get the option of swapping Celestial to something else unless enough people kick up a shitstorm that ANet feels bad.
And you're still looking at the stat budget in the most negative mindset possible.
This isn't necessarily true, as it assumes the spread of stats is not part of the itemization weighting. I'd figure rather it must be, as I doubt they chose the original values of the individual stats arbitrarily.
Whatever the case, I think they need to allow re-allocation of Celestial gear as it is still affected by the post-investment value change that all of the other MF pieces are. The blog post didn't seem to indicate that Celestial would be left out of this process, but I suppose we'll know for sure soon.
Man up son. It's a negligible stat increase.
Much of the recent complaining in this thread is BS. For example: the story is bad; SAB isn't exciting; I deserve compensation on my celestial gear; I have to craft new weapons. Get over it; get over it; get over it; get over it.
However, ascended gear is not a negligible stat increase. You could argue the difference in one single piece vs. an exotic is negligible, but as a whole definitely not.
I figure the values they chose were based off the already included and balanced Celestial stat combo in sPvP, just upped to accommodate the higher damage and defense stats that go around in PvE all the time.
Edit: Based off the wiki entry here: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Item_nomenclature
The fifth table, the one that tries to compare Numeric vs. Percentage stat values, also lists the total attribute points of regular equipment. Now, remember that this is a rebalancing to make it as if magic find on equipment never existed.
For regular stat combos, the base stat gets 1003 points in the major, and 698 twice for the minor. That's 2399 points total. On the other hand, Celestial has 436 points six times, for six main attribute point stats. That's 2616 points. And then there's Critical Damage on top.
I just can't see the complaints as anything but whining for that reason. People did not go after Celestial for it's Magic Find.
theMrCravens
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Very simple fixes Anet could do:
- Reduce event bar for Aethers so it gets done faster.
- Completely remove Aethers once event is done, so people can't avoid clockwork minions.
- Have the Aether Captain NOT SUMMON any Champ Aethers while you fight it.
Complistic
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The aetherblade invasion event is for sure a broken event. The longer you take to kill the captain, the more the players are rewarded (with more champ kills). It's just really silly they didn't think about this.
This comes off as drive by trolling if you don't explain yourself. GW2 seems like one of the most alt friendly MMO's I've ever played. I do most of my playing on my necro, but if I very often switch to my ranger or warrior if I"m getting bored and I want to switch it up in a dungeon.
Noisy Ninj4
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Pretty much this. I have a full set of celestial armor on my ele. The whole point was to have a versatile set of armor that could cover multiple roles well since eles tend to make use of every stat no matter what weapons or traits are involved. The crit damage mixes especially well with persisting flames giving endless fury. Magic find did not have any impact on that, it was merely a small side benefit.
As for ascended weapons... eh. The crafting requirements don't really seem that onerous, to be honest.
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Oh god yes. This might get me to play GW2 again.
I hope deaths in SAB don't count towards your /deaths score, as that would be pretty dastardly. Since it's technically an Activity, I'm hoping they don't... but it would be cool if the game tracked your deaths in Tribulation Mode just for the hell of it.
This will certainly make the green/gold (and in the future, red/purple) weapons much more rare. Shame, I was kind of thinking I'd like to get the purple set for my Mesmer someday, as she's the one using SAB skins... but World 4 Tribulation Mode is probably going to be a nightmare. Maybe I should go with my original plan and just have my Engineer use the SAB stuff... after all, his name IS Professor Retro... but I like my Aetherblade Skins too much.
Blarg, wish there was a better reason to carry around multiple weapons than just runes and stats... oh well, can't wait until Tuesday to start this insanity.
This will certainly make the green/gold (and in the future, red/purple) weapons much more rare. Shame, I was kind of thinking I'd like to get the purple set for my Mesmer someday, as she's the one using SAB skins... but World 4 Tribulation Mode is probably going to be a nightmare. Maybe I should go with my original plan and just have my Engineer use the SAB stuff... after all, his name IS Professor Retro... but I like my Aetherblade Skins too much.
Blarg, wish there was a better reason to carry around multiple weapons than just runes and stats... oh well, can't wait until Tuesday to start this insanity.
That's Rabid gear.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Equipment_acquisition_by_stats
Rabid is sold by the various temple vendors, there's a chart at that link showing where each drops for each specific armor type.
The Order of Whispers stuff is Rabid gear when you buy it.
Dungeons are CM, TA and HotW.
Crafting can only get you trinkets.
Edit: Fuck, double post.
Jest Chillin
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TM is going to seriously cut into my normal SAB money-making strat. I'm going to end up torn between making gold that I desperately need and beat the pants off of I Wanna Be the SAB Master...
Noisy Ninj4
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So I wonder which will be better; going into TM alone and trying to solve it yourself, or going in with a group and basically working like Lemmings; first person dies, second person avoids that trap, second person dies, third person avoids that trap, and so on... Sort of just keep feeding your fellow guildies through the grinder until you all come out on the other end.
If they were really devious, they'd have traps that other people can accidentally spring on the person who's up front. I imagine there would be many laughs in Mumble if done as a group, which would probably help mitigate the rage. I think I'll do that.
I love that the "Sunny Glade" track is a remix of "Logan's Journey;" not only is it my favorite track in the game, but it just feels right.
New Interview with Mike O'Brien:
And from Reddit:
Not sure what to make of the "New skills are a year away" comment, when part of Colin's blog post mentioned there'd be new skills and traits by the end of the year.
If they were really devious, they'd have traps that other people can accidentally spring on the person who's up front. I imagine there would be many laughs in Mumble if done as a group, which would probably help mitigate the rage. I think I'll do that.
I love that the "Sunny Glade" track is a remix of "Logan's Journey;" not only is it my favorite track in the game, but it just feels right.
New Interview with Mike O'Brien:
And from Reddit:
Not sure what to make of the "New skills are a year away" comment, when part of Colin's blog post mentioned there'd be new skills and traits by the end of the year.
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