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shysaursoft
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Whoa. I don't think I've seen a single person in all my attempts, ever even *notice* that.
EDIT: And wow, already people are complaining that it's "no fun" that Anet is trying to "force" people to get better and improve their skills, since they don't play the game "to get better", just for "fun".
Some people really don't get what games are.
It's the MMO Mentality; time investment > skill.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
These days, I think it goes beyond even that. Some people want their games to be as comforting as the boob toob.
shysaursoft
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I saw this tonight during my failed attempts, but wasn't paying attention to what it was, and figured a guardian was mass buffing.
This is pretty neat.
GW2 was designed around a core philosophy of being all inclusive rather than exclusionary. As soon as you introduce instancing that is controllable for large scale encounters with large groups of people, you get into exclusionary asshole elitism territory. That's not to say that it's exclusive to large group content cause it's obvious it happens in 5 mans, but when you start talking about challenging content, you'll have assholes who will just kick people from the instance due to a single mistake. This goes against the entire design of GW2. You show up to what you want when you want. No exclusionary bullshit that plagues the rest of the genre and bogs down the whole reason why we play games (to have fun).
Well ESO is going to be the biggest MMO bomb since FFXIV 1.0. Quote that if you wish.
Wildstar isn't bad, but it's also very safe and in many ways feels downright archaic in some aspects. It's not going to see mass appeal or anything but will have a following for the raid-centric crowd. Only pros are it's combat, challenge system, and potentially housing. Everything else is very half-baked. $15 sub really won't help the game in the long run.
I get the sentiment of adding challenging content to bring up the level of the player base, but what about the event makes you focus on changing your traits, skills or build?
I had no issues just bashing everything's face in like I always do. I think that's the core issue here: The game doesn't lend itself to teaching anyone why different skills or builds would be particularly helpful.
I had no issues just bashing everything's face in like I always do. I think that's the core issue here: The game doesn't lend itself to teaching anyone why different skills or builds would be particularly helpful.
I get the impression all that is coming with the new tutorial system.
shysaursoft
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I do agree there: GW2 lacks a more structured tutorial, or at least more visible helpers, that assist players in learning fundamental things like what traits do, what conditions do, why being able to swap skills on the fly is a great ability that one should fully use, etc. Do kind of wish the community would have picked up the slack there somewhat too - all the self-styled youtube celebs are too busy circlejerking about how much they love WvW and hate Scarlet, instead of really teaching the entry-level players.
Jest Chillin
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Pretty sure he was referring to the most casual players that just sort of felt there way through a build and have rolled with it every since, not the players that have researched or looked up a proper all-purpose PvE build.
The thing is, I don't think the events themselves really push the concept either. A tutorial is all fine and nice, but it doesn't mean anything if you get to level 80 and you realize that being able to kill things fairly fast is pretty helpful in most situations. There's a double edged sword to having world events that aren't instanced: You're going to get a hodgepodge of builds and therefore the event has to be built in such away that it doesn't require any one type of build.
If there is depth in the trait or skill system, I never found it. I'm not a particularly big build guy, I don't enjoy it myself. I'd choose different skills and make some adjustments for team based stuff like dungeons and fractals. World events seem more based on just learning how to follow directions and dodge more than anything.
If there is depth in the trait or skill system, I never found it. I'm not a particularly big build guy, I don't enjoy it myself. I'd choose different skills and make some adjustments for team based stuff like dungeons and fractals. World events seem more based on just learning how to follow directions and dodge more than anything.
I can understand wanting to have something relaxing and not too difficult. I'm as guilty as anyone of just wanting to log in and mellow out a bit some nights. But that doesn't mean I want everything to be so laid back. Maybe it's my age, but I can't get my head around the idea of a game that isn't at least a little challenging.
Disgusting.
Glass cannon builds are a liability when they get insta-gibbed the second they load onto a platform. Bringing survival skills, and especially reviving skills (Battle Standard, Search and Rescue, Glyph of Renewal, Signet of Mercy, etc.) is important as well (and most players don't bring them because they don't provide any damage).
There's also a lack of critical thinking going on here. The enemy you can't attack head-on has a HUGE UI indicator that makes it obvious what direction he's facing, indicating that's somehow important. Even before you attack him you know something is up, and after the first attack it should be obvious; "I am causing no damage, that big arrow thing is pointing towards me, ergo I probably need to attack from another direction."
The problem is (and many of us, including Colin, were lamenting this in guild chat last night) there's a division between gamers that's more than just 'casual' and 'hardcore'; it's the older gamers who enjoy a game because it requires skill and growth, and the younger gamers who want instant gratification and a set of novel experiences. Colin mentioned basically the same thing Josh Foreman did in his post; their data shows some people just don't ever bother to look at what traits are, or can't be bothered to equip a second weapon set or change their utility skills. While a strong case could be made that the game lacks a tutorial (and one is coming), it's not exactly subtle about new skills, traits, etc. being unlocked either. I wonder if they have data for how long a hint message is displayed before it's closed. I wonder if it's far too fast for anyone to possibly read it. I wonder how I can build a rocket to get the fuck off this planet.
I hate to say it, but we're in the world of TL
R now.TLDR: Old man yells at cloud.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
That's the funny thing here. There's so much stuff you could go do in GW2. It seems that some players get aggravated if there's anything skill-based (even mildly) anywhere in a game. Those darn elitists, over there doing skill things.
Just a tour. Who knows what's next?
Really though, I don't think I'll be educated enough for something like that until after next school year. I made is this far on the kindness of others, and that won't be forgotten.
Take lots of photos, steal some exclusive swag, get us a lock of Colin's hair and we'll consider the debt repaid.
Congratulations. Bonus points for wearing the head/shoulders from my favorite armor set. I mentioned this in guild chat earlier, but that's a nice color combo you've got there too.
Complistic
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Welcome to the club. It's super shiny and awesome in here.
what is happening to the playerbase? we are gamers! the gamer entertaiment is about getting better and using your skills, thats THE MAIN REASON WE CAN CONTROL STUFF ON GAMES! ITS NOT A MOVIE, ITS NOT A BOOK, ITS NOT A SERIES, GODDAMIT, ITS A GAME! its interactive, you HAVE to do shit arg i...
i want to punch these guys in the face so hard their headaches will hit them again and again and again because of the impact's echo.
what is the problem here i... i...
its not hate. zerker is a viable build if you can avoid damage, stuff that when you raise the bar a little bit some people cant do. it is recommended even to the future zerker player to pick knight's first, then switch to zerker, so he will have a little bit protection in order to learn how to avoid damage and time the dodging well.
its not hate. its just that people use zerk but dont know how to avoid getting damaged, causing a real problem in the Bfield.
Complistic
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exhibit A: I just tried a cof that failed because I had 4 zerker thieves join me and all fall over dead at the first boss in p1. There isn't a stigma against zerker, but there is one against zerker noobs.
I get what you all are saying (I know exactly what their philosophy is), but the fact the same people can keep showing up and dragging down huge events sucks. It doesn't matter what it does to their rep, since there's nothing you can do about it anyway.
Yes, there were the jerk zerk groups. And you could get a group ignoring them anyway. Honestly, the real problem at the time was the lack of a LFG tool so you didn't find out that stuff until after the frustrating join/kick cycles.
With a potential grouping pool of millions and no class bullshit, I would rather be able to still have this content available in some fashion later instead of worrying about phantom elitism problems. I love small group stuff, but I also love this big group stuff, and a fractal version will just not be the same.
Yes, there were the jerk zerk groups. And you could get a group ignoring them anyway. Honestly, the real problem at the time was the lack of a LFG tool so you didn't find out that stuff until after the frustrating join/kick cycles.
With a potential grouping pool of millions and no class bullshit, I would rather be able to still have this content available in some fashion later instead of worrying about phantom elitism problems. I love small group stuff, but I also love this big group stuff, and a fractal version will just not be the same.
There is a whole lot, a whole lot wrong with just about everything so-and-so has uttered here, but alas. I'd love for ESO and Wildstar to both be great, successful games that directly competed with GW2 but I don't think there's much evidence that will be the case.
If demonstrable this behavior should simply be bannable. I honestly don't even care what justifications might be offered for it not being banworthy; nothing about taking part in this community is a right, it is privilege from character creation to the day the servers shut down and all he's doing is advertising that he doesn't deserve it.
It's not just "fine," it's actively the best you can bring to the table in most PvE scenarios if you can stay alive through skilled play. Dead people do no DPS. Things you may not be considering:jersoc said:
1) Its advantages are either primarily or completely negated against open-world bosses
2) Because it was, for what has been a majority of the game's lifespan, touted as "the best PvE set," it was embraced by many players even if they didn't have (or before they had acquired) the requisite skill
3) Your personal skill level is nowhere near the baseline in question when these discussions come up. The fact that you use your own play as a zerker guardian as evidence contradicting any evident issue only shows that you're missing the scope of the problem.
Combine these three factors and it should be simple to understand how things can go awry in any number of scenarios.
I read the post on Reddit not too long ago and my first thought was "SO THAT'S WHAT ELECTRIFY AURA DOES!" I'd been trying to figure out how it showed up from Day 1.
The only thing I don't get is that the primary thing you're missing out on is AP. It's not like you can complete the meta in one sitting, and just running through the lanes killing enemies gets you fragments which give you guaranteed rares anyway.
I got the meta days ago and I still pop in because it's the most dynamic and inclusive PvE content to date. It combines the strategy of showing up with a ton of people and needing to split up to do different roles (keeping up walls and siege, slowing the marionettes, taking care of the watchwork trash, watching out for Aether Champions and their mortars, killing off the backline spawns) along with the dynamic tactics that come from throwing a small group of people into a challenge together. Once the weekend came I stopped trying to get into mainflow and just let myself fall into whatever overflow I get. I still get close runs during prime time and if I did more than one or two runs a day I'd probably see a lot more successes.
I've been doing this event on my Power Necro and coincidentally I haven't had to really change my build. But that's because my build is already so multi-purpose. I'm carrying pulls, chills, immobilize, vulnerability, lots of cripple, a bit of AoE, and perma-swiftness. There's other stuff too but those are the things I've found most useful for the event. As another said, you can easily beat the Wardens with a condi class too. Still, it blew my mind when I saw that there are even a significant percentage of people that don't really use the trait system at all...
The only thing I don't get is that the primary thing you're missing out on is AP. It's not like you can complete the meta in one sitting, and just running through the lanes killing enemies gets you fragments which give you guaranteed rares anyway.
I got the meta days ago and I still pop in because it's the most dynamic and inclusive PvE content to date. It combines the strategy of showing up with a ton of people and needing to split up to do different roles (keeping up walls and siege, slowing the marionettes, taking care of the watchwork trash, watching out for Aether Champions and their mortars, killing off the backline spawns) along with the dynamic tactics that come from throwing a small group of people into a challenge together. Once the weekend came I stopped trying to get into mainflow and just let myself fall into whatever overflow I get. I still get close runs during prime time and if I did more than one or two runs a day I'd probably see a lot more successes.
I've been doing this event on my Power Necro and coincidentally I haven't had to really change my build. But that's because my build is already so multi-purpose. I'm carrying pulls, chills, immobilize, vulnerability, lots of cripple, a bit of AoE, and perma-swiftness. There's other stuff too but those are the things I've found most useful for the event. As another said, you can easily beat the Wardens with a condi class too. Still, it blew my mind when I saw that there are even a significant percentage of people that don't really use the trait system at all...
Was reading this and nodding along. I agree really. I got my meta about 3 days after the update without even trying for it and now if I miss out on currently 39 achievement points, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it cause I can make it up by doing stuff I don't normally do like spvp or WvW or something. It's just points...I mean I could understand if we were talking a title or unique reward here but it's not like you can't get the points elsewhere. I've beaten the fight twice now and I'm very happy. I still jump in and do it whenever it's up because it's just an enjoyable fight all around regardless of whether we win or lose. Obviously I want to win, but this is designed so that losing doesn't feel like such a kick in the nuts since you still get loot to salvage for MF, rares, etc.
Noisy Ninj4
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Found a champion ram out in timberline falls. It was neutral even, just wandering around. Naturally, I had to let everyone know about it so we could take its head.
Here's an action shot of our great hunt.
Here's an action shot of our great hunt.
Vigilant Walrus
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it looks like that ram had just been at taco bell
Kos Luftar
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The people who have not set their traits makes me think, how many GW2 players are trying an rpg/MMO for the first time.
I don't know how ANET will do it but it seems like a difficult thing to teach.
I don't know how ANET will do it but it seems like a difficult thing to teach.
it's completely viable against world bosses. if you bring anything other than it or possibly knights to marionette you're gonna have a bad time.
it still is the best, imo. the game is built to do as much dmg as possible. it works both way, a dead mob can't do any dmg. w/o dedicated healers this what we have. best defense is offense. anet will have to fundementally change things for zerker to change. they could probably start with all those shitty passive traits.
so what is the scope? I'm thinking if people don't know what's going on no set of gear is going to make up for their lack of knowledge. is that the players fault or tghe game's once again? Maybe i missed it, but no where does the game tell you to kite that champ through mines. first time i fought it i just avoided those mines, which works the same. i only figured out the stacking boss from years of WoW. This game does a poor job explaining stuff to others. The vast majority of people will never consult guides. I saw this time and time again with WoW raiding. Some people just don't play like that. It's up the devs to fix that.
you and i play this game very differently so we have very different paths we want this game to go. I actually think the marionette fight is one of the funnest fights in the game. Shame it's going away. Only done wurm once and it just one head so I don't know about that. Teq would be awesome if you could kill him outside of reset. Marionette actually feels like a true raid to me. Lots of players all needing to do different things to achieve the same goal. I always enjoyed the WoW bosses where groups had to split up, like 4 horsemen.
AnathemicOne
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Just reported his ass, can't believe he tried to compare EVE to GW2.
Coming Next Week: The Edge of the Mists
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Prepare to chase Scarlets Aetherblade pirates into a place beyond time and space the mysterious Edge of the Mists!
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkA0Y_KRcTo
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AnathemicOne
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The narration kind of sucked.... but the premise and potential is nice. New dungeon perhaps?
You know how every enemy with some noteworthy mechanic has a little tooltip under their name? That let's you know about kiting it into its own mines. It's the first thing I always immediately check whenever something unexpected happens during a fight (in this case, doing no damage).
I will say that there were airships and Aetherblade spawns from day one of the alpha test...
Massively said:
New World vs. World map that overflows rather than hitting hardcap.
It's a new map that overflows, has a match timer lasting a couple hours rather than an entire week, and (I wish I had gone back to the alpha forum and double checked if this was confirmed) combines teams across all servers of the same color.
^^^ All that and more.
Also, already seeing comments on Reddit that EotM is all an elaborate scheme to further perpetuate server population imbalances by dragging even more people away from "Real WvW." The Real WvWers are then forced to transfer to servers with higher populations, which of course means they have to buy gems.
Real fuckin' Tin Foil hat territory.
Also, already seeing comments on Reddit that EotM is all an elaborate scheme to further perpetuate server population imbalances by dragging even more people away from "Real WvW." The Real WvWers are then forced to transfer to servers with higher populations, which of course means they have to buy gems.
Real fuckin' Tin Foil hat territory.
Kos Luftar
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They can transfer to other servers if they want the camps on "real" WvW maps has not changed so they would be just waiting even longer to get into "real" WvW.
Kos Luftar
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This is one time where they cannot say the came up with story and then they designed the location.
This to me feels like shoe horning EOTM into the scarlet story because...why not.
This to me feels like shoe horning EOTM into the scarlet story because...why not.
That ram don't kid around
Most world bosses simply cannot even be critically hit, completely negating two of the stats in its distribution.
I just disagree, and it's perplexing to me how difficult it seems for you to acknowledge the "bad time" had by all when people rapidly go down against their wardens and chains fail. I use my support/sustain set with my thief for marionette specifically because I have a better chance of staying alive and keeping others alive at the sacrifice of the best damage possible and I've done quite well.
Yep, I said it was, with the requisite level of skill.
That is absolutely the case. I don't always understand what appeals to you about it.
I wonder if to any extent you can sympathize with the view expressed by this poster in Foreman's thread:
To me, this attitude is toxic, abhorrent. I want nothing to do with it. It belongs in other games- plenty of them- which I can just choose not to play or financially support. But a lot of the magic in GW2 for me comes from the fact that players of a wide variety of skill levels can cooperate, improve and succeed together, to the exclusion of as absolutely few as possible.
But I do too... it's maybe my favorite individual encounter in the game.
Unless recruiting is closed, you could always join TTS for multiple kill chances throughout the day.
That funny, most of the "real wvwers" are okay/happy with eotm. No queues and gvg scrims and basically a dueling/roaming arena.
Edvardelis
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I saw that, I know enough to look this stuff up.
Funny how it's under the Priory of all places, you'd think they would notice something like that...I hung around the probe in the zone last night between a couple of marionette fights and picked up another 15 cores, so I'm half way there already.
Can you only go into the lair once?
Mr_Antimatter
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I saw that, I know enough to look this stuff up.
I hung around the probe in the zone last night between a couple of marionette fights and picked up another 15 cores, so I'm half way there already.
Can you only go into the lair once?
Hiding in plain site is actually pretty clever. No one expects the enemies base to literally be that close to your own.
I don't totally understand it yet but so far as I know you can enter at will(?) once you have done so once? Or at least don't need to collect the cores again?I saw that, I know enough to look this stuff up.
I hung around the probe in the zone last night between a couple of marionette fights and picked up another 15 cores, so I'm half way there already.
Can you only go into the lair once?
I got 12 just wandering around Lornar's with my ele last night. Just going on foot and doing events and hearts in the way between probes, I actually had a lot of fun. it's such a massive zone...
All non-asura sure... don't worry, you're not expected to understand such matters
I don't totally understand it yet but so far as I know you can enter at will(?) once you have done so once? Or at least don't need to collect the cores again?
I got 12 just wandering around Lornar's with my ele last night. Just going on foot and doing events and hearts in the way between probes, I actually had a lot of fun. it's such a massive zone...
All non-asura sure... don't worry, you're not expected to understand such matters
I'd like to see an Asura that doesn't think of itself as the smartest Asura ever born.
Jest Chillin
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Come on now. Zojja's always been humble in the presence of Snaff. She felt she had more to contribute but definitely recognized that Snaff was the greater of their two minds. I think she's the only Asura that has ever acknowledged another even a little bit.
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