I'm not really sure what else in this style could make it look more next-gen.
Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- announced (Unreal Engine)
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I'm not really sure what else in this style could make it look more next-gen.
SentientStone
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Hyped, I hope Potemkin returns, although I am pretty sure he will.
Years later they will release a GG vs BB and I will have my ultimate big man duo team: Potemkin + Tager.
Years later they will release a GG vs BB and I will have my ultimate big man duo team: Potemkin + Tager.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Tyrant Rave
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I can't see them excluding Potemkin. I just wish we got to see more characters.
They do! (though in-game the songs usually don't have vocals)
This was linked earlier in the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9khT_IUXUk
The entire GGXX soundtrack in one YT video. Enjoy.
I agree with this. They could have smoothed out the animation instead of trying to imitate the low budget animation from the other games.
What makes you assume this isn't as low budget as the other games?
Memories of the "new ASW game curse", where a roster usually starts out around 12-16.
But depending on how long they've been working on this, I think we might be actually surprised with how many characters are present at the jump.
Not to mention that I'm sure they want to avoid any similar SNKP/KOFXII-drama with "No (insert fave character here), No Buy".
Thomasorus
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And if they apply the same logic showed in the first trailer, once the tech is ready there is less research and developement to do, as the characters already exists. You still have to do a lot of testing to balance them, but the "type" and the capabilities of each one of them is already done.
Even if I am not found of BlazBlue, most of the characters have sick gameplay mechanics that must take a lot of time to be created before even starting to balance them.
Even if I am not found of BlazBlue, most of the characters have sick gameplay mechanics that must take a lot of time to be created before even starting to balance them.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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While I favor GG over BB, Tao is my favorite ASW character. Then May and Faust.
As previously said in this thread, the background used was an homage to the first reveal of guilty gear, it very well could be place holder. This is the first thing we have seen from the game, assuming every little aspect is set in stone for final release probably 1-2 years from now is silly.
I will agree to disagree on the subject, but no cell shaded 2D game whether a fighter, RPG or otherwise looks this good at 1080p with high levels of AA and a nice frame rate because the PS3 is incapable of it. If you want to talk about games looking like previous gens, look at most niche JRPGs on the PS3, many of them look like PS2 RPGs with slightly fancier character models, or not much better than PS2 HD-makes. A generation is not defined by polygons alone. As long as the best looking cell shaded 3D of this gen looks as jaggy as it does, I will not believe this is possible on the PS3. Otherwise it means somehow the people at ASW have tons more talent than plenty of big named studios that have large budgets, and I kind of doubt that.
Thomasorus
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You like characters with VERY annoying jump angles. As an I-no player with hard to master 6P, May is giving me cold sweat each time she jumps.
They do! (though in-game the songs usually don't have vocals)
This was linked earlier in the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9khT_IUXUk
The entire GGXX soundtrack in one YT video. Enjoy.
Thank you!
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Dolphins all day
Thomasorus
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Dolphins all day
A friend of mine started to play May once, and his favorite game was to use 6P against I-no dashes. One 6P a bit charged was almost enough to dizzy me, and two 6P in CH did the same.
I hated him when he was doing this. :'(
And that's another thing altogether...
Celshading/Toonshading has a tendency to make a lot of games look "nicer" than they actually are. For example, I distinctly remember a lot of people being wowed by the likes of Tatsunoko vs. Capcom years ago when it first debuted...then they found out it was a Wii game. Then suddenly, they started noticing its numerous imperfections... :lol
I wouldn't be at all surprised if ASW put out this trailer that was in 1080p and AA, knowing full well that the final product (outside of a possible PC port) may likely not have either of that. "Bullshot trailers" are still a thing, aren't they?
mullet2000
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Not to also mention that they're using 3D models this time around, which is a less time consuming than their typical sprite work.
I wouldn't be shocked if the roster was nearly all of XX's roster + around 2 new characters.
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Jotamide
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Wow i did the same thing!! Hype effect!! I havent played aa GG game for a long time now but GG+R looks really good on the Vita. I still prefer it more than that BB shit...
I am more into KOF but this trailer has really hyped me!!
As I've said in the FGW thread, I can't wait to play this game and be horrible at it while still loving it, as with every other GG I've played.
And as much as I like GG's music, I think Arc Sys should look into putting some known metal bands on the soundtrack. They can start with these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-zG5XRSEg
And as much as I like GG's music, I think Arc Sys should look into putting some known metal bands on the soundtrack. They can start with these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-zG5XRSEg
ArcSys does not have that kind of money.
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Freezasaurus
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GG soundtracks have always been amazing. It doesn't need well-known bands. Especially because that would soak up a ridiculous amount of money for licensing that could otherwise be spent on developing, you know, the game.
Yeah, I remember there being a lot of arguments as to whether or not the game could be done on Wii. Some people were claiming (just as now), that it MUST be ps3/360 as it looked too nice on Wii. lol
Settle down. I was just throwing it out there as something they should look into, not something they should actually pursue. I'm sure I'll be more than OK with whatever they decide to do.
Besides, I'm not saying they should consider trying to get Metallica or anyone else extremely popular. Bands like the one I posted are much lesser-known and wouldn't cost nearly as much to license.
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I can't. I think the game looks brilliant. I personally think that if they hadn't gone out their way to show it was 2.5d, many people would be none the wiser and there'd be a lot less bitching.
They do! (though in-game the songs usually don't have vocals)
This was linked earlier in the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9khT_IUXUk
The entire GGXX soundtrack in one YT video. Enjoy.
Just reminded me, this guy is going to playing with custom music.
Slamtastic
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It would be pretty amazing if instead of revealing it in the first trailer, they tried to convince people it was hand drawn sprites for as long as they could...
#teamCG
Yep. Truly, "the more things change..."
Nah, I think they made the right choice with being as forward with the new direction they're going in, as possible. (My reservations about the trailer being a glorified bullshot not-withstanding).
Even the basic gameplay that they showed off was more or less a callback to various stages of XX's classic hallmarks done in this new style, right down to Dust Loops. But that likely was done just for the sake of demonstrating that "hey, we can do GGXX in this new style, so stop worrying about the fact that it's on UE!". I'd be very surprised if things like Sol's old Dust Loop made it into a more finalized version of Xrd.
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http://shoryuken.com/2011/09/27/set...cs-give-fighting-game-developers-flexibility/
From a game design perspective it allows them to create and alter characters with much greater speed and efficiency
From an artistic perspective Baiken's missing arm will no longer change sides depending on which way she's facing
Hmm yea good points. I think SF4 looked great. This looks kinda weird though. The art style looks like something from a flash game and the animations (though I know they're going for the old look) make the game look really stiff.
I'm still buying this day one, but I can't get over how crap the animation is. I used to talk crap about it over a decade ago and I'm still going to talk crap about it now.
You can still keep the same timing while improving animations for all the moves. It's so janky to go from point a to point b with 1 still frame of animation that can be replaced with more animation frames and still have the same exact timing. Seriously whats the difference between 2 frames of animation lasting 1 second and 60 frames of animation spread out for 1 second?
Bah whatever. Game does pull off the nostalgic look. So as long as this hits Steam, it's a day one purchase for me.
I've been calling out Guilty Gear's crappy animation frames since it's inception. LOVE the game, but the animation level is HORRID. It's the same with BlazBlue. Awesome game and art, but the animation is poop. Hiding the fact that it was 3D would not have stopped my 15 years of bitching about the series' animation. I'm definitely hyped for the game and I love the artstyle, but that's not gonna hide those janky frames of animation.
Why do you think it will be 30 fps? The hardware running this game is clearly stronger than the PS3 and 360.
Slamtastic
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Just because it's UE doesn't mean 30fps, as MKvsDC, MK, and Injustice prove repeatedly.
That's cool. I personally don't think tons of animation is worth it in a game where you're gatling chaining from pretty much every single string. /shrug
Yes, the animation is bad, but I don't think it matters since it suits the combo system.
Wonko_C
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I talked about this earlier but kinda in a hurried way. For anyone who works on 3D animation, if you could shed some light into this because I'm probably going to be way off-base:
I'm guessing the characters -being 3D models- are animated on an indefinite number of frames, (let's say theoretically they could move at 120fps or higher on a beefy enough PC) but to make them look like 2D animations they purposefully skip all those frames. This means all the full 60fps animations are still coded into the game but just not visible. Let's say Arcsys could make uncapped animations a hidden/unlockable option for those who are not happy with the current games' look, would that be even possible?
Personally I love as it is. To me they look indistinguishable from sprites, except for the part where the camera rotates, obviously.
I'm guessing the characters -being 3D models- are animated on an indefinite number of frames, (let's say theoretically they could move at 120fps or higher on a beefy enough PC) but to make them look like 2D animations they purposefully skip all those frames. This means all the full 60fps animations are still coded into the game but just not visible. Let's say Arcsys could make uncapped animations a hidden/unlockable option for those who are not happy with the current games' look, would that be even possible?
Personally I love as it is. To me they look indistinguishable from sprites, except for the part where the camera rotates, obviously.
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