GalacticAE
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Sorry I just meant "tonight or tomorrow sometime in the afternoon in the US"
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Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- |OT| - Cross Play on a Heavy Day
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Sorry I just meant "tonight or tomorrow sometime in the afternoon in the US"
Tomorrow afternoon then!
Lostconfused
Member
Well at least its one specific thing you have to avoid being touched by.
The video title is pretty nice too.
Thanks sir.
Console characters.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
Well for one it's actually fun
But seriously, unlike Rhapsody I think this game is harder going in. The big thing is that oki is essential in this, every character has some kind lf oki game and you have to learn it, oki is basically nonexistent in Blaz. I'd say combos are probably also harder since it doesn't have a five frame buffer like Blaz, so characters like I-no are dealing with things like 2 frame IADs, but I guess you could consider the tradeoff being that GG combos generally aren't as long as Blaz combos.
That said, this game is miles easier than any of the other GGs, so if you were big into Blaz there won't be too much more to get as long as your fundamentals are good.
If you like Tager then you'll love Potemkin, not because theyre similar, but because he's a grappler who isn't damn near impossible to use in a real match
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Welp, I caved and pre-ordered the collector's edition of the PS4 version. This'll be the first GG game I'm going to actually learn after faffing about with Accent Core back when it first came out.
I'm going to main Potemkin due to my comfort with heavy and/grappler characters (I main Tager in BB, Zangief in SF, Kanji in P4A1, etc.) but I think I'll sub Elphelt as well because I hear that Potemkin has some really, really one-sided matchups in this game that rely on the opponent making mistakes to win rather than any skill on your part.
Anyone have any suggestions for the Potemkin/Elphelt vs. Ky matchup? The person whom I'm probably going to be facing the most mains Ky, and I want to get a leg-up on my studies before my copy arrives.
I'm going to main Potemkin due to my comfort with heavy and/grappler characters (I main Tager in BB, Zangief in SF, Kanji in P4A1, etc.) but I think I'll sub Elphelt as well because I hear that Potemkin has some really, really one-sided matchups in this game that rely on the opponent making mistakes to win rather than any skill on your part.
Anyone have any suggestions for the Potemkin/Elphelt vs. Ky matchup? The person whom I'm probably going to be facing the most mains Ky, and I want to get a leg-up on my studies before my copy arrives.
DiscoShark
Banned
Don't forget that we have the database if you want to look up some of the japanese players using X or Y character. But this should help :
And here's the results that came back from looking through the database for the specific Pot v. Ky matchup :
http://keeponrock.in/match/index/page/1/character1/po/character2/ky#content
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Awesome, thanks! I didn't know that such a database existed, but I'll be sure to abuse it now.
Infernoabyss
Member
My guilty gear just came from best buy. Was surprised to get it this early. Sadly can't play until my finals are over =[
1) Call ahead. May vary by location and employees there.
Good call. The one near me only had one copy left. Wewh! Had them hold it just in case.
Downloading the patch now.
Is there a recommended new character to learn basics in for this ? Sol and Ky I assume ?
I like Millia and Ky's brother...I hope neither is mega hardcore to learn. I'm doing this all on pad which I am atrocious with.
No no no that's his son!
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Is there any US dates for the DLC content?
The PSN alt colours look great.
The PSN alt colours look great.
GeorgiousGeorge
Member
PIcked up the "last" copy at Gamestop (I assume until supply is replenished for tomorrow's proper release). Opted for the PS3 version over the PS4 considering how many arcade sticks I have for the PS3 that need love. Really would've preferred 1080p/etc, but I can't see myself enjoying a Guilty Gear game on a stock PS4 controller.
I might just do this.
I tend to shy away from playing others when I'm really unfamiliar with a game as I can get easily discouraged when I'm just getting my ass beat and I dont really know what I'm doing wrong/what I should be doing. Perfect example is BB. I quit that game because I was getting destroyed by literally everyone left right and center and I never knew exactly what I was doing wrong or how I could improve. It was just like someone would knock me down and then I'd be at their mercy until I died. When I have some sense of what to do I can actually learn from my losses rather than just staring blanky at the screen looking at what seems to be a singleplayer game to the person I'm facing
Why dont you play people at your skill level aka me. Next time I play with the people I normally play with ill just invite you.
He's got a not-totally-satisfying mix of his XX abilities so far. Like his amazing #R air gatlings but finishing with j.D doesn't net a knockdown. You can up the difficulty with AC-style character specific air links to knockdown but the moves have less stun. The new RCs do let you combo into his slow normals and I'm testing that.
Is that some kinda rekka cancel to dash out of 236H?
He used to be able to fake those far punches and just slide to a stop. Thanks for the games. I'm starting to try out the new characters too so I'd be glad to get into those against your Sin.
Yeah, the RCs luckily still help him. Midscreen it's preferred to RC mappa punch into Dandy Step K followup. Corner, it's RC into wall Dust, 5S > 6HS > Dandy Step K followup. As for j.D not giving you a knockdown all the time, I usually just do j.S j.K j.D to keep them low for a knockdown. If the combo hasn't gone for too long, j.S j.K j.D j.2K j.D works too.
Edit: Messing around, he seems to still have his fuzzy guard (blocked j.D into dj.D > air super). You can do it off of Dandy Step H followup too if they happen to block the cross up. The only thing is, you need to jump install before Dandy Step to allow a double jump.
Will do.
riskVSreward
Member
Are the combos character specific in this game? I have a Ky combo I've been working on but I can't get it to work on Bedman or Potemkin. I RC his qcf+k second hit, dash and JC a close S to do some air juggles but Potemkin never gets launched and Bedman can air recover where seemingly no one else can. Do they get special fat char privileges?
So you caved eh? Woo! Also, I'm finding ky and sin to be the easiest to learn.
They're weight dependent
riskVSreward
Member
Ugh, I just want some bnbs without regard to the other guys char. This has to be one of my most hated features in fighters, I know I'm prob in the minority.
Razzorn34
Member
I don't think anyone really enjoys having to learn character specific combos.
Hellshingu
Member
Learning how to consistently Hammerfall Break is key to Potemkin's playstyle. Helps immensely with closing the distance and pressure. Using the armor on it to absorb an attack on a read is also a valuable tool as well as knowing when to YRC/RC it for damage and making it safe on whiff/block. I'd mess around in training mode to get Hammerfall Break down from a varieties of distances and from cancelling from normals.
riskVSreward
Member
I'm fine with them being in there when it comes to really optimizing your damage "you can do 2 more normals here against Chipp", not when its as prevalent as "this move only launches these chars" etc...
More than SF, less than marvel.
riskVSreward
Member
Lol, the combos in those games are nothing alike.
Its closer to Marvel with its lengthy combos but still not as crazy.
Think SF4 Seth combos as the norm.
Any sub-$100 sticks on the horizon, or am I just going to have to bite the bullet and import a Hori pad?
Hellshingu
Member
This is actually the best explanation I have heard trying to explain things to a SF player coming to GG for the first time.
Oyashrio-Sama
Member
Huh? Does the limited edition not come out till next week? Amazon has it listed as December 23 and the regular game as December 16.
Hellshingu
Member
It was delayed a week because of the strikes at the ports earlier this month.
riskVSreward
Member
Why is it a pos?
Oyashrio-Sama
Member
Oh man, Tager and Pot are like night and day. I've said this before but Tager isn't really a character that has a neutral game. He's almost always dominated by the offensive of his opponent and relies entirely on first magnetizing his opponent and/or patiently Instant Blocking his opponent's strings in hopes that they make a matchup related mistake against him. The only normals he has that have any sort of decent range have horrendous startup and he doesn't have many options to stop people from IADing in his face because he was never built with a solid upper body invincible antiair that wasn't ridiculously slow. Approaching from the ground included either walking very slowly or using a sledge that could be baited and punished during its active frames so the quickest way to close the distance was to usually throw out a bunch of j.Cs when you're far out and slowly make your way in.
Potemkin wasn't designed like that. He was designed to be a character that actually participated in playing the match. He has ...
All of this on top of being the game's dedicated grappler and having the scariest command grab in the series. Pot took quite a hit from his AC incarnation so he's still considered bad though. He has that much in common with Tager. On the brightside the sheer amount of tools he has at his disposal will at least mean losing won't feel as hopeless anymore.
- Hammerfall - A grounded dash that has 1 hit of armor and is able to be cancelled into block early or YRC'd. Staple of his pressure and mixup.
- A dedicated antiair normal in the form of 6P
- Projectile reflect that, upon activation, will create a wave of explosions that can allow him to move forward.
- Slide Head - Move that creates an unblockable shockwave across the ground causing a knockdown that allows Pot to move forward
- Pseudo airdash that costs 25 meter but moves you just about a full screen's length away.
- Huge goddamn normals with reasonable startup and cancellable into his specials.
Faust is great!
Thanks for that! And yeah, I figured he couldn't possibly be as hopeless as Tager was. I played the most in CT and got to the point where I was only fighting high level players who all had the match up down pat, which basically meant me blocking for the majority of the round praying they would make a mistake. Or slowly inching towards v-13 wanting to die IRL.
Ultimatly I just pick a character that feels fun to me, though, so I'll see what ends up happening after playing around with GG.
Freezasaurus
Member
Standard Edition not impacted, right?
Should be out tomorrow I think
riskVSreward
Member
Anyway, in regards to character weight. Are all the chars in clearly defined weight classes? Please tell me there's only about 4 different weight classes...
Who should I use as training dummies in the lab?
Who should I use as training dummies in the lab?
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Correct, they actually lifted the street date on the regular edition last week but I think they put it back up? Not sure. Either way, unless you want a LE you can get it tomorrow.