Guy pitching New Star Trek series, takes place after Voyager, not greenlit yet
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B_Rik_Schitthaus
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He still posts a lot, his avatar is a very bright head shot of Sophie bexter.Medalion said:
MisterHero
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And Uhura married the Vulcan that appeared in Amok TimeMorn said:
The official actors were good sports about it, though
Charlie X returns and screws up time so Captain Kirk never existed or something and it's up to an alternate reality Chekov, Tuvok, another character played by the guy who plays Harry Kim, and Uhura who can somehow remember the other timelinegdt5016 said:
The only thing that can stop Charlie X is
Janice Rand
The guy who plays Neelix also appears
hee hee heeMedalion said:
I own Star Trek Klingon x_x
JoshuaJSlone
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Which version of events it's building on doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the style of any future show.Medalion said:
BattleMonkey
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Medalion said:
They got nothing better to do than show up to a local convention, why not?
JoshuaJSlone said:
Decisions are going to be made by the suits though, not what the fans or logic might dictate even. The reboot universe being the most successful Trek in a long long time is going to obviously play a factor in any possible future Trek ventures. They will look at the Prime setting stuff and how it was on such a downward spiral for years and it's failures. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely abandon the prime univere from anything else.
Guardian Bob
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Alcibiades said:
Why? The destruction on Romulus would be a great plot device. Think of the power vacuum that would happen. It's a great twist. More planets need to be destroyed if you ask me...
I have to say I'm actually excited to hear this. It has been some time since I watched a decent SciFi show..never was a big Stargate fan and never got into BSG or Enterprise.
It would be awesome to see a show that has the production values of LOST Sopranos or Breaking Bad, something really, really good.
Could you imagine something as awesome as The Wire in Space?
It would be awesome to see a show that has the production values of LOST Sopranos or Breaking Bad, something really, really good.
Could you imagine something as awesome as The Wire in Space?
Escape Goat
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so something may or may not be happening. awesome!
Teh Hamburglar said:
Fixed.
bengraven said:
First there was the excellent new BSG that hardly anyone watched despite the critical praise and then there was Stargate:Universe which I never really took to but I knew people who really enjoyed.
Two starship based shows and neither had enough ratings to support themselves. The simple fact of the matter is 'space based' sci-fi on TV is out of fashion.
Guardian Bob
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Medalion said:
Yeah, the world is a lot more nerdy. Everyone has smart phones and if you put a star trek tv show right behind the big bang theory (also CBS) it will get big viewers.
It's a matter of when. Star Trek is not a movie franchise, but a TV franchise where it will return.
Escape Goat
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They've demonstrated they don't know how to do TV anymore. Voyager and Enterprise were creative abortions. The only reason ENT got 3 seasons instead of 7 was because, unlike Voyager, it wasn't propping up UPN network.
So I find it hard to believe any Trek is going to move forward without it spinning out of Abrams Trek movies.
So I find it hard to believe any Trek is going to move forward without it spinning out of Abrams Trek movies.
Guardian Bob
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Medalion said:
You do know the last star trek movie made almost 400 million? More than Iron Man and any other comic movie. Plus is was sell enjoyed by a lot of people. What makes you think some of those same people wouldn't watch a tv show?
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Guardian Bob said:
They don't seem to agree with this, and when the Trek shows had kept failing in ratings while the movies are now succeeding, it just sends the message to the heads of the studios that TV trek is dead for now.
TNG was a huge hit, one of the most successful sci fi series ever really, but each series after took a huge drop in viewership. DS9 still pulled in good numbers, but at almost half to 40% of TNG viewers, and each afterwards did incredibly bad numbers. Voyager on any other channel would have been long canned at the time, but it sadly was the highest rated show on that shit network at the time.
Medalion said:
Super hero shows have not done well at all, Smallville has gotten lucky but it's almost made on a shoestring budget.
Guardian Bob said:
The trek movies bring in more money and viewers than most of the TV shows do. Just because people go see a trek movie, doesn't mean they will watch an actual show on a regular basis. People were still seeing trek movies in decet numbers but apparently they were not watching the shows according to the ratings.
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Busty said:
Mean lucky in how long it's been on despite how shitty it is, but also lucky to survive when super hero shows are notorious for failing hard.
Guardian Bob
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BattleMonkey said:
There is a pattern to all this. The original series got canned because of low viewership, then after a break TNG was a big success. They tried to do too much and viewership dropped again. It's possible after another break another very successful show will take off.
Escape Goat
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Smallville also became CWs highest rated show. Like voyager it succeeded not because of sharp and intelligent writing but because it was bringing in viewership to the network. And as was mentioned, it was made on the cheap so its return on investment was acceptable.
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Guardian Bob said:
Of course, but it will need to be similar to TNG formula, a complete reboot starting point to bring in a new generation of viewers in. TNG largely succeeded because Trek became a well known name and a whole new viewership tuned in to see the new version. Time needs to be taken to let the name build itself up again as it got diluted with 4 tv shows back to back and too any crappy movies at the same time. It's still too early for Trek to come back to TV
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Busty said:
Why people watched Smallville is luck. We all know that because you have a well made and written show doesn't mean people are going to watch. The question "Will audiences follow us?" is something that won't be known until the show is on the air. I'm sure we can all name shows that were shitty but somehow remained on the air.
If studios could nail down that formula we wouldn't have to cancel TV shows.
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Medalion said:
Yeah, but unfortunately the new movie did have that 'casting young sexy people to attract other people' aspect.
JoshuaJSlone
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That's pretty irrelevant to the future of Trek on TV. It's not like Rick Berman or Brannon Braga have any say in the matter anymore.Teh Hamburglar said:
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Medalion said:
First of all, Trek is like the anti-science, but more importantly, most of the stuff has been played out. There have been no shortage of TV series that either are Trek, or were dealing with similar or identical subject matter in a similar or identical planet-of-the-week format. Pretty much everything Trek did, something else did better (Babylon 5, Stargate, Farscape etc). The Trekverse is itself quite old and has been mined several times for fresh content. It's also got a pretty bad nerd-stigma.
It's not hard to see why producers might be wary about creating a new series especially after the declining ratings of the latter series, and the declining ratings of Space Operas generally.
davepoobond
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not going to happen while jj abrams is making the movies.
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davepoobond said:
Even JJ says he's open to a tv series of some kind. And Paramount has no say in the matter. CBS has television rights. It's also because of this that a TV show will likely have nothing to do with the Paramount movies, and a bit likely it wont happen.
Honestly, I don't think CBS has the guts to try a new TV show...
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
they should just have jj make a tv show instead of the movies then if they're so wishywashy about it.
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Guardian Bob said:
Don't think it's about guts, they are just being smart, it's not a good time for a new trek show, and sci fi in general has not been doing well. They need to wait before bringing it back, lot of people are likely still fatigued on it and they were really stretching things already.... nearly 20 years of continual trek on TV, over 600 episodes of stuff and so many movies.
The reboot movie was the best idea for the franchise, and right now a new show just doesn't sound right.... fans may want more, but for the studios its obviously not a good idea yet.
Trek fans alone are not going to carry a series, they need a complete new starting point to succeed on TV again.
Now this is exactly what I want to hear. Where Abrams movie was certainly enjoyable, you have to separate it from the previously determined Star Trek timeline. As its been said, its in own universe.
However, I like the original Star Trek universe, the one that was built up over multiple series. ST: TOS, ST:TNG, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and the one that shouldnt be named last series. The shows I grew up on and into my 20s. ST:TNG is still my all time favorite with DS9 a close second.
So I really hope this series comes to fruition.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Enterprise is canon for both the Prime and Alternate timelines. The split happens between ST:E and TOS so all canon post ST:E only affects Prime (witch the film points out is still ongoing).Hobbun said:
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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GDJustin said:
"Where's Spock gone?"
"Some alternate timeline"
"OK then."
evil solrac v3.0
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make the new show set during the dominion war or during the battle of cestus III or something....
Parallax Scroll
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they should make more of those movies that throw random trek actors like the guys who played tuvok and uhura on a ship together.
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B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
"Where is Spock?"
"Alternate timeline."
"What? None of the characters from the movie are in it?"
"No."
"Okay then."
Then the person doesn't watch because what endeared them to the movie is nowhere to be found. Of course this only works if the goal is to hook new people who saw and liked the movie.
Thats what they've done with the books. And they are soooo bad. Not because of the characters themselves but because the writers are so shitty. Its interesting to see a mish mash of characters from TNG/DS9/VOY all on one ship though.
BattleMonkey
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New show set in a holodeck, crew can't ever get out, non stop changing setting because its on the fritz. Everyone loves holodeck episodes, so lets have a whole show be nothing but that! And make sure it has lots of kids! Kids make stuff great!
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BattleMonkey said:
Then in the series finale one of the characters calls for the computer to end program and Deanna shows up asking how his research is coming along.
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They could use the bar from Cheers as the holodeck scene. In every episode.BattleMonkey said:
Edit: Oh, you said it was a nonstop changing setting. I like my idea too.
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Medalion said:No I don't want another Enterprise finale
But then they pan out and it was all in Wesley Crushers mind... but it's not... it's Whil Wheaton backstage at a local convention as it fades out and you hear the crowd booing at his name's announcement.
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