Guy pitching New Star Trek series, takes place after Voyager, not greenlit yet
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Joel Was Right
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Teh Hamburglar said:
At least I'm trying. Come on then, let's see you come up with something
Alcibiades
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I actually would love a Kirk-in-Starfeelt-Academy era TV series that takes place in the original timeline (or movie, though I guess that seems less possible considering they made one in a new timeline)... it could be kind of a DS9 (soap-operaish) and TOS mix, or they could have him graduate half-way through the show and then morph into a show more along the lines of TNG and Voyager...
So much story left to be told in the original timeline... I know resistance is futile, but I hope this next movie bombs...
So much story left to be told in the original timeline... I know resistance is futile, but I hope this next movie bombs...
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Meus Renaissance said:
You asked for opinions man. lol
Stumpokapow
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Since Mama Robotnik got blasted for his... interpretation of where Star Trek should go...
I think a good starting point for an optimistic Star Trek would be Andromeda (the Kevin Sorbo / Roddenberry series). No need to take any of the characters or anything, but I think the premise works well. It gives a central rallying point for the plot. It gives an excuse for explanatory dialogue, since you have a fish-out-of-water scenario. It gives an excuse for a lot of travel to a lot of places. It works well for a longer arc as well as shows-of-the-week. Andromeda is not a very good show--I've rewatched the first few seasons recently--and it's got a lot of cheese, but the core idea that Roddenberry had was really excellent and I'd love to see it done better.
I think a good starting point for a pessimistic Star Trek would be BSG 2005. Here I don't mean the Cylon angle, but rather the lost-in-space premise and specifically the "we're so fucked" execution. This is a no brainer. BSG 2005 is Ron Moore doing Star Trek the way he would have if he had been allowed to. And whether or not you like how BSG ended up being resolved, I genuinely believe it's a significantly better execution of the Voyager lost-in-space scenario, and all of the production value elements are wonderful; the acting occasionally reaches the spectacular heights of the best DS9 episodes, the plotting and serial elements work much better than any Trek before, the music is insane and set a new bar in TV show scoring, the balance of military and civilian traditions and life was much better than DS9.
I think I'd still give DS9 the overall edge as a show because it's rewatchable, because I like the Star Trek universe much more, because I value diversity in the species that appear, because I have a few issues with how BSG ended, because I have fond memories of watching DS9 when I was a kid and a teenager, but BSG 2005 shows that there's room for Science Fiction with guts in a way that Star Trek never did.
Regardless, I think Cable is a better venue than Network, that they should aim for 13-15 episode seasons instead of 22-25 episode seasons, that the show should aim for 4-5 seasons instead of 7+, and that seasons should not necessarily run September to June but rather take the time they need to get production right. Every season of every Star Trek series has shitty filler episodes. I think it'd be fair to say you could prune TNG or DS9 down to 5x16 episodes rather than 7x20+ with relatively minimal loss of content or quality.
I don't personally give a shit about canon, place in timeline, etc. I have no problem with rebooting and using the core Star Trek elements (Starfleet, the various alien races, the basic technology set, the central thematic elements) while ignoring any of the previously established shows. If they linked them up like they did with TNG/DS9/VOY, that's fine, if not, that's fine too.
I think a good starting point for an optimistic Star Trek would be Andromeda (the Kevin Sorbo / Roddenberry series). No need to take any of the characters or anything, but I think the premise works well. It gives a central rallying point for the plot. It gives an excuse for explanatory dialogue, since you have a fish-out-of-water scenario. It gives an excuse for a lot of travel to a lot of places. It works well for a longer arc as well as shows-of-the-week. Andromeda is not a very good show--I've rewatched the first few seasons recently--and it's got a lot of cheese, but the core idea that Roddenberry had was really excellent and I'd love to see it done better.
I think a good starting point for a pessimistic Star Trek would be BSG 2005. Here I don't mean the Cylon angle, but rather the lost-in-space premise and specifically the "we're so fucked" execution. This is a no brainer. BSG 2005 is Ron Moore doing Star Trek the way he would have if he had been allowed to. And whether or not you like how BSG ended up being resolved, I genuinely believe it's a significantly better execution of the Voyager lost-in-space scenario, and all of the production value elements are wonderful; the acting occasionally reaches the spectacular heights of the best DS9 episodes, the plotting and serial elements work much better than any Trek before, the music is insane and set a new bar in TV show scoring, the balance of military and civilian traditions and life was much better than DS9.
I think I'd still give DS9 the overall edge as a show because it's rewatchable, because I like the Star Trek universe much more, because I value diversity in the species that appear, because I have a few issues with how BSG ended, because I have fond memories of watching DS9 when I was a kid and a teenager, but BSG 2005 shows that there's room for Science Fiction with guts in a way that Star Trek never did.
Regardless, I think Cable is a better venue than Network, that they should aim for 13-15 episode seasons instead of 22-25 episode seasons, that the show should aim for 4-5 seasons instead of 7+, and that seasons should not necessarily run September to June but rather take the time they need to get production right. Every season of every Star Trek series has shitty filler episodes. I think it'd be fair to say you could prune TNG or DS9 down to 5x16 episodes rather than 7x20+ with relatively minimal loss of content or quality.
I don't personally give a shit about canon, place in timeline, etc. I have no problem with rebooting and using the core Star Trek elements (Starfleet, the various alien races, the basic technology set, the central thematic elements) while ignoring any of the previously established shows. If they linked them up like they did with TNG/DS9/VOY, that's fine, if not, that's fine too.
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Blitz2o said:
They have transphasic torpedos, Batmobile armor and other silver bullet nonsense. Borg are whipped.
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Teh Hamburglar said:
For all the hate Janeway gives, you do have to give her credit for going back in time, beating up Batman and taking the batmobile shields.
Escape Goat
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Medalion said:
ans their big transwarp hub got blowed up real good. Either way the Borg have been done and done badly. I pray we get them used sparingly in the future.
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:lol No dude I was kidding.DrForester said:
Stumpokapow
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Averon said:
It's funny because the Q episode in TNG Season 2 ("Q Who") where he throws the Enterprise across the galaxy and they run into the Borg is fucking terrifying. And then TBOBW has Wolf 359 and Locutus, which is still pretty amazing but they beat the Borg in the end rather than escape by the skin of their teeth but whatever we'll allow it.
... and then it's pretty much all downhill from there. Lore Borg, Borg Queen in First Contact, literally every aspect of the Borg in Voyager.
Their shields are not impenetrable. Their ships are not enormous. Their ships are not insanely fast. They aren't a distributed network. Assimilation is not permanent or even arduous to undo.
None of the characteristics that made them a scary enemy are even true by the end of Voyager. :/
Escape Goat
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I remember in TNG when the Borg cut out a section of the Enterprise and 18 crewmembers died. I was like WTF a whole mess of people just died for no reason! People never die on Star Trek (well, rarely) anyways. You knew they meant business.
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Stumpokapow said:
Yeah, I wasn't very happy with the Borg in TNG after TBOBW. The whoel thing with Lore was boring.
I really didn't have much issue with First Contact. I liked the idea of the Borg queen , and I thought they retained their menacing aspect int he film.
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I'm sure I remember reading some Star Trek books years ago (the New Frontier series, I think?) and thinking that they would have been perfect for a post-Voyager Star Trek series.
Whatever, I need more Star Trek TV in my life, regardless of where in the timeline it's set. I've watched and re-watched TOS, TNG, DS9 & Voyager so many times I literally can't find an episode that I don't recall, which just leaves Enterprise, which was mostly shit (season 3/early season 4 redeeming episodes notwithstanding).
Whatever, I need more Star Trek TV in my life, regardless of where in the timeline it's set. I've watched and re-watched TOS, TNG, DS9 & Voyager so many times I literally can't find an episode that I don't recall, which just leaves Enterprise, which was mostly shit (season 3/early season 4 redeeming episodes notwithstanding).
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Simple solution for new series.
Have a series set after Deep Space Nine. Go back to "new worlds and new civilizations"and make the ship a deep space vessel sent to explore the Gama Quadrant now that the Dominion isn't a threat.
Have a series set after Deep Space Nine. Go back to "new worlds and new civilizations"and make the ship a deep space vessel sent to explore the Gama Quadrant now that the Dominion isn't a threat.
British Monsoon
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DrForester said:
I'm all for this, I always wanted more focus on Gamma Quadrant exploration in DS9 anyways. Also, setting it immediately after DS9 would allow for lots of cool politicking between the Federation and their Alpha Quadrant allies as they attempt to fill the power vacuum left in the Dominion's wake.
Stumpokapow said:
Yeah. I do agree that the downfall of the Borg started with TNG. But the Borg still had enough mystery and power at the beginning of Voyager to be a major threat. However, Voyager rapidly and pointedly accelerated their downfall by using them for what seemed like every other episode.
One Borg cube ripped the Feds a new a-hole yet a single "mid-range" Star Fleet ship can have multiple encounters with the Borg and come away unscathed in many of them?
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DrForester said:
I don't believe anything with a leader is scary. Leaders can be killed. Leaders can be attacked. Leaders can be defamed. Leaders can be weak. Cavill undermined the initial fear of the Cylons in BSG. The Borg Queen undermined my fear of the Borg in First Contact.
I don't think anything that cares or forms an emotional attachment is scary. The Borg work at first because they are an unending wave. Because they blankly state "Resistance is futile". They don't care if you fight or not. Your choice is die now or die later. If you kill a few drones, who gives a shit? They're drones. There are an infinite amount more of them. We don't need them. Introducing the Borg Queen gave an emotional component that served, like the Lore / Independent Bore / 7 of 9 arcs, to humanize the Borg and make them weaker and attached and sentimental and to give them a goal with an emotional / cultural connection.
I don't believe anything that can be beaten is scary. The only thing that will scare me is watching the good guys lose hard and often, with lasting consequences. The smaller the victory and the harder fought it was, the more satisfying it is to me. Even BSG 2005, which spent, jeez, a hundred hours on one central protagonist-antagonist relationship and killed off a flat majority of the show's cast still felt like the final victory was too easily won relatively to the scale of the menace in my opinion.
Q Who? worked because it ended with the Enterprise fleeing instead of winning, with the ghastly warning that a) they had very little time to prepare, and b) it was futile anyway because they would end up fucked hard.
Think of how the internet works. Millions of interconnected servers. Redundant routes. No central point of failure. Something fails and the signals route around the failure. It can't be regulated. It can't be disconnected. In the real world in the 21st century it's not a fully redundant system because DNS servers have central authorities and governments have control over the physical fibre lines, but think of the concept--of how powerful it is. The Borg were a wonderful actualization of that. If they have a weakness, they fix it. If you hurt a bit of them, the rest of them soldier on.
The thing is, the concept is so ripe for being defiled. Networks want "badass" moments. They want plotting to serve marketing. They don't want a show that's too depressing. They don't want real consequences. They want sex appeal. They want there to be bigger and bigger everything-bigger explosions from bigger bombs on bigger ships. They want SUPER Star Destroyers. They want each season to be bigger than the last. And it's easy to write a convenient silver bullet technology or "TRIUMPH OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT" plot--easier than dealing with an enemy that can't be foiled by either. So I can't imagine anyone could have ever pulled off what I'm talking about. Maybe if they did I'd be complaining the show was too negative and masochistic. But I'd still have loved to see someone try.
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Axalon said:
Yes, please, I need a Trek TV series back in my viewing schedule! And a return to the pre-Abrams Trek universe would be most welcome, as much as I loved the new movie.
And while I agree with Stump's comments above that there's something uniquely terrifying about a faceless enemy 'wave' that has no central leadership, and just constitutes a force of nature that expands without pause, I can't agree that that'll be the best kind of villain. The best enemies always have a face, always have a personality, always need to be embodied in something or someone that has a purpose. Any victory's going to feel hollow otherwise, and it'll inevitably get boring watching drones or centurions (or what have you) just roll on through the good guys without personality.
And while I agree with Stump's comments above that there's something uniquely terrifying about a faceless enemy 'wave' that has no central leadership, and just constitutes a force of nature that expands without pause, I can't agree that that'll be the best kind of villain. The best enemies always have a face, always have a personality, always need to be embodied in something or someone that has a purpose. Any victory's going to feel hollow otherwise, and it'll inevitably get boring watching drones or centurions (or what have you) just roll on through the good guys without personality.
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Such a dangerous looking pizza cutter to use. No hand guard, nice and sharp looking.
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BattleMonkey said:
yeah, pretty dangerous. but its funny.
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set phazers for fun ^w^JoshuaJSlone said:
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Admiral Shady Nogoodnik arrives on Alcatraz-4, a Starfleet penal colony where its sole occupant, Seven of Nine, is undergoing scientific study while being isolated from any contact with the outside galaxy. The Admiral makes her an offer: If she's willing to use her Borg technology and expertise to investigate Starfleet's unexplained phenomena files (perhaps we could call them...X-Files), she'll be allowed to return to Earth and live among the human population in some vaguely defined capacity.Meus Renaissance said:
She's teamed with a Lieutenant Beefcake (has...feelings for Seven, even though he has orders to kill or incapacitate her if she gets out of control) and a Doctor Coolwit (Section 31 sleeper agent with tentative plans to steal Seven's tech for his own nefarious uses if/when he gets the opportunity). And so they run around the galaxy having adventures, wheeling characters/places/tech from TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY in and out when necessary, and not having to worry about giving airtime to a humongous deadweight ensemble cast *ahem* *cough* *ahem*.
Do it, Paramount! You'll find my salary to be verrrrrry reasonable.
DrForester
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JoshuaJSlone said:
Bought one a month ago. Really should make a pizza to try it out....
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Blitz2o said:
Only real menacing villain in the later Trek series (not including the obvious Dominion) was the Vidians from Voyager, but they were never really established as a grand force to be reckoned with, just really scary.
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