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Damn, dude almost cried when asked about the Billboard comment fiasco (20min mark).
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Damn, dude almost cried when asked about the Billboard comment fiasco (20min mark).
IrishNinja
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this azella video is...well it's something
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oh okay...gimme a starting point for them then, grabbed the woods album
shit he's playing a set out here friday night too...gotta see if i can get the night off
already a classic and i aint een heard it yet
all it needs is jaden features
yup and for those who dont fuck with advertising there's programs to mute that shit too, which hulu had one
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oh okay...gimme a starting point for them then, grabbed the woods album
shit he's playing a set out here friday night too...gotta see if i can get the night off
already a classic and i aint een heard it yet
all it needs is jaden features
yup and for those who dont fuck with advertising there's programs to mute that shit too, which hulu had one
I only liked two songs off the album (The Helium Balloon and The God Smile).
May give it a second listen sometime but yeah, the MMG sound is tired and lame.
I love Wiz. Listening to it right now.
Listen to Race Music.
PhoenixDark
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this bumps
edit: this really bumps
PhoenixDark
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https://twitter.com/dangerookipawaa/status/582768873017069568
god dammit. guess I gotta give this lousy ninja a W...
god dammit. guess I gotta give this lousy ninja a W...
BAHHRR BAARRHH BARRR BARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
NipplesAndToes23
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An interesting interview. I don't understand his thought process about people calling his album a classic is watering it down. People are telling you that so much was done right in the making of it when they say that.
Syphon Filter
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Kendrick is right, it's absurd to call an album a classic without waiting a long time.
it hinders folks ability to interact with w/ it sincerely.
Kendrick is right about that new Kendrick album.
I'm listening to this Wale album so you don't have to.
Couple things that stand out from this album after the halfway mark:
Is this dude okay? I'm getting a real sad vibe from him.
Drake called and wants his style back.
Remember the Wale album fans hoped he wouldn't release after signing to MMG?
This is that record mixed in with sadness over his standing the in the game. Bring back the Attention Deficit Wale for the people. It's a solid album but he's found his niche in the game and this is it.
Couple things that stand out from this album after the halfway mark:
Is this dude okay? I'm getting a real sad vibe from him.
Drake called and wants his style back.
Remember the Wale album fans hoped he wouldn't release after signing to MMG?
This is that record mixed in with sadness over his standing the in the game. Bring back the Attention Deficit Wale for the people. It's a solid album but he's found his niche in the game and this is it.
Pretty chill, actually.
Rastafarian42
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Kendrick speaking like a king, makes me proud
great interview
he's not.
i feel kind of sorry for him but he really can't blame anyone but himself for where he's at.
PhoenixDark
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I agree that people have devalued the concept of a classic by calling everything classic. Whenever a noteworthy album comes out there's an automatic push to call it classic on twitter, amongst fanboys, etc.
Peter Rosenberg's immediate attempt to call TPAB classic, less a couple days after it was released, really highlights that today it's just used to hype stuff. I think TPAB is amazing...I'm not going to say it's a classic album. I didn't say GKMC was classic after a month either.
Peter Rosenberg's immediate attempt to call TPAB classic, less a couple days after it was released, really highlights that today it's just used to hype stuff. I think TPAB is amazing...I'm not going to say it's a classic album. I didn't say GKMC was classic after a month either.
Holy shit. Also feel kinda bad for him. His music just ain't my thing, though.
holy shit, dude sounds like a wreck
Rastafarian42
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From Paul Cantor of Billboard, Vice and Rolling Stone.
Holy fuck I'm half way through this Wale album falling asleep at work.
Syph Medwes
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half the instrumentals were from drake songs lol
You know, I think Wale is a certain breed of forgettable but he does get way too much hate TBH. Dude has always put up consistent numbers, hasn't he? I also don't think he's a bad lyricist by any measure.
I just think a lot of the artists who don't make it as far as their peers in their class deal with it in different ways. Some are fine with their underground success and able to internalize that they not be for the masses and that's okay because you can eat other ways today.
Now you got like pre-Drake era guys like Mickey Factz and Charles Hamilton trying to make a splash again and it's kind of the same deal. Some salty, some hopeful. I'm not against aspiring for more but some of these dudes really think they're owed something significant.
I just think a lot of the artists who don't make it as far as their peers in their class deal with it in different ways. Some are fine with their underground success and able to internalize that they not be for the masses and that's okay because you can eat other ways today.
Now you got like pre-Drake era guys like Mickey Factz and Charles Hamilton trying to make a splash again and it's kind of the same deal. Some salty, some hopeful. I'm not against aspiring for more but some of these dudes really think they're owed something significant.
What rap albums from the last 10 years would count as classics? Like, for real for real classics, not only personal favorites.
Feels like there was nothing besides Be, (The Documentary?), GKMC and MBDTF. GKMC needs a few more years and MBDTF, as much as I am a fan of Kanye and loved it, I'm not sure if it's really a classic that you will listen to in 20 years. Seems like the type of album many just call classic because they heard everybody else say it on the internet, without actually listening to it much or at all. Who's still pumping it here, honestly?
I do actually.
The Artful Dodger
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I think there are some classics you can acknowledge immediately...that being said TPAB isn't one of them.
The tour hasn't been confirmed? Just the worst kept secret in the industry or what? Seems like things are leading to a April/May release for Ye/Rih albums.
Rastafarian42
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Basically the worst kept secret in music the two albums
dropping at the same time is interesting though.
I feel for the dude on a human level, but yea you're music ain't that good. Sorry breh. Daps and love, but try carpentry or something.
I am.
MBDTF is definitely the type of album you will listen to in 20 years.. dare I say moreso than anything else in his discography. Most multilayered piece of work he's done, and it's without question his magnum opus. It's so intertwined with his character that if people can still remember Kanye in the future (given) they will think of MBDTF because that's exactly who he is on wax.
I'm comfortable calling MBDTF a classic now because it really did solidify Kanye in the game and in recent years we've had artists come out and reference it as inspiration. GKMC too, because it really stirred conversation and it stood out amongst several generations of new MCs. Got people thinking Kendrick invented get out of the hood concept albums and shit.
TPAB is getting called a classic right now because it's temporally relevant and you've got some big (and small) voices pushing him. He is our golden boy, he can only drop classics.
Ultimately the classic conversation is one that will always be debated because the boxes to check off are so vague. It has to be great, have impact on the game, have a unique sound. Blah blah.
I understand why many are quick to label things classics, but it gets to the point of absurdity in this genre. Every album gets called a classic when it leaks over at KTT. Boils down to the stans of an artist (and haters too) yelling louder than anyone else.
Of course it's a fun conversation to have, so I like to participate in it. Hard to separate personal feelings though. Calling something an "overall" classic is a pretty objective observation to make.
Poor Wale :[
I understand why many are quick to label things classics, but it gets to the point of absurdity in this genre. Every album gets called a classic when it leaks over at KTT. Boils down to the stans of an artist (and haters too) yelling louder than anyone else.
Of course it's a fun conversation to have, so I like to participate in it. Hard to separate personal feelings though. Calling something an "overall" classic is a pretty objective observation to make.
Poor Wale :[
From '05 onwards, though? Not that many, really. I mean, I could list stuff like The Minstrel Show, The Grind Date, Food & Liquor, but I'm not sure if they are more than personal classics. Does Drake have one, for example? Take Care? Nah. Dude's basically dominated rap for the last years, but no classic album, yet.
IrishNinja
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if you listenin to MBDTF in 20 years its cause you're reminiscing on where your life was before certain decisions, not cause shit was a memorable album
real talk
real talk
It's just about GKMC tier for me, just a little bit below, I'd give both 9s or better.
Also how in the hell did MBDTF solidify Kanye in the game when he was already such an important and preeminent figure? MBDTF has not aged well at all, and it's poor mastering and disfractured nature will only become more apparent in the future.
Hmm, makes sense, but I still don't think it's his musically best album. That one would go to LR, imo.
I think the bar has been so low in the last years, that's why. Looking through some yearly lists you can see how absolutly weak (commercial) rap was between '6 and '12. Most albums were just a bunch of singles and fillers. GKMC felt like the first great, concept album that was also successful in a long time.
EDIT: Wale on The Breakfast Club tomorrow, apparently.
It feels like you're insinuating that GKMC is only held in such high esteem because of the era when it seems quite clear to me that it would have been considered great even if had dropped in the mid 90s. Same with XXX, though I believe he was mainly focusing on the bigger commercial albums.
Because people were counting him down and out at that point, he was done for. The album is a product of where Kanye was at that time, and instead of imploding he blows out the gates and doubt with his most introspective yet larger than life project and now he's not just a mainstay but a legend, it gives him an opportunity to do a collabo album with Jay (which was sonically an extension of MBDTF), re-launch his label for the better, etc.
MBDTF aged fine, I think it gets even better actually because the structure and themes have been given time to be digested. The mastering is really the biggest slight against it, but that's definitely audiophile nitpick territory. As for your second critique, after a bit of research I have concluded that's either not a real world or a metal group, in the case of the latter I don't know how that applies.
Yeah but XXX needs to come together as an album before it can come together as a concept album. The strongest point I've heard for XXX being a classic is that it influenced the rebound of molly/E/similar drug talk back to the forefront, which would be true if you could make a logical connection between the two, or anyone being influenced by Danny Brown really.
I only meant commercially successful concept albums. Otherwise I would've listed several The Roots and other underground albums, of course.
I would agree with you as far as ratings. Yet I believe GKMC is a classic for sure. Of course it's too early to talk about TPAB.
Rap was really great from 10-12 for sure.
Danny Brown.
It started picking up in '10 again with MBDTF, yeah. What else? I don't remember anything huge, right now.
what does this mean
XXX didn't influence anything in the grand scheme of things. It was just a stellar album.
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