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[enzo_gt]

Now that you mention it, WMWTSO was probably more conceptually novel and effective at doing what Danny tried to do as well.

much drugs
so pain
very emotional extremes
many insight

marginalize the female perspective brehs

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Speaking of Nacho Picasso

That Twin Peaks sample

 

[IrishNinja]

EZ Mac with the cheesy raps?


Come on now enzo

the man gives travis scott AOTY

some folk'll never eat a skunk, but then again some folk'll

 

[Courage]

Now that you mention it, WMWTSO was probably more conceptually novel and effective at doing what Danny tried to do as well.

much drugs
so pain
very emotional extremes
many insight

marginalize the female perspective brehs

how much worse can your posts become?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

enzo coming hard for dat L of the year

Jay gon have to release Magna Carta 2 exclusive to Tidal to catch up at this rate

 

[Emperor Bohe]

ain't no bitch in anyone here

 

[TheChits]

Speaking of Nacho Picasso

That Twin Peaks sample

Nice

 

[Discotheque]

Speaking of Nacho Picasso

That Twin Peaks sample

daaaaaaaaamn, that's a nice use of the theme.

i need that new BATCVNT tho.

 

[IrishNinja]

ain't no bitch in anyone here

this is a dope shot right here

 

[enzo_gt]

delude yourself into defending and calling an album with songs like Radio Song and I Will cohesive and a classic brehs

can't handle these concepts
too much insight for me to see
influence on molly culture

 

[PhoenixDark]

lol

i'm no fan of nicki, but you're going to have to fool yourself into pretending she's not very very skilled. She can do multisyllables, internals, can spit very fast while maintaining a coherent flow, and makes a wide range of songs. She can do everything from pop to ymcmb staples to trappier atlanta stuff to east coast dusthead bait you guys go gaga for


In fact i remembered reading this a while back, that she on average writes longer multis than Eminem, Nas, Jay-Z and 2pac. Now of course this analysis might be a little biased against people that slant rhyme a bit more like Eminem or chain rhyme like Hov, but generally speaking she's no slouch.



anyway, underrate Nicki Minaj on the mic because she sells records and her sexuality offends/intimidates you, brehs.

Breh...that site's formula has Pac and TI with longer multis than Eminem, Nas and Hov. Basing one's formula on one metric seems rather bad to me. Who wants to bet that Pac is ahead largely due to penitentiary and Hennessy. And elementary.

Let's look at more syllable metrics.
http://www.rapanalysis.com/2011/03/how-to-appreciate-rap-music-3-is-nas.html
(that entire site is pretty interesting)

Nicki can rap, only a lame would deny that. In fact I'd have very little problem calling her better than Wayne and Drake, flow wise. But comprehensively you could easily argue all three don't venture far out of the woods of mediocrity. There's more to rapping than flow. And there's more to flow than just the length of multis (and I refuse to believe she has longer multis than Kool G Rap and a host of other rappers).

I won't go the HRD route and harp about her sexual lyrics. When I think of rap on a technical level I think about flow, sure. And when I think about lyrics I don't just think about content. I think about metaphors. Similes. Storytelling. And if we go back to flows, I think of how many flows someone has. How many flows does Nicki have? More than Drake no doubt, but not many. How many does G Rap have? Hov? Nas. Andre 3000. Come on.

Gotta say a tear ran down my dark melanin heavy cheek as I read your post breh. Good to see you discuss technical rap my brother. May I interest you in further salvationmy friend.

TLDR Bottom line: Nicki is a corny punchline rapper. And she doesn't even write her own lyrics so why did I just write so many paragraphs.

 

[Courage]

Mural is indulging in figurative language to the point where it's gone wrong. Most of Lupe's music is like that honestly. I ain't about to measure rhomboid angles and divide them by chicken cutlet to find out about the meaning of a song.

 

[MuddyDonut]

That sample is overused, or at least I've heard too many attempts at it.

 

[Dereck]

I don't know if you guys do it on purpose, you're all hilarious as fuck sometimes when you argue. I'm crying just from reading the last page, and now this page

 

[PhoenixDark]

No arguing going on, just another gaf hop debate/discussion. I love all these dudes. Except Courage.

 

[Esch]

Nicki can rap, only a lame would deny that. In fact I'd have very little problem calling her better than Wayne and Drake, flow wise. But comprehensively you could easily argue all three don't venture far out of the woods of mediocrity. There's more to rapping than flow. And there's more to flow than just the length of multis (and I refuse to believe she has longer multis than Kool G Rap and a host of other rappers).

Playboi, I'd take this at face value but I've seen you praise Ross off the strength of his flows when he's bang average in plenty other respects.

And if we go back to flows, I think of how many flows someone has. How many flows does Nicki have?

I don't actually wanna do the dumpster diving because that's too much work for Nicki but she can do a lot of different flows and styles lmao.

Gotta say a tear ran down my dark melanin heavy cheek as I read your post breh. Good to see you discuss technical rap my brother. May I interest you in further salvationmy friend.

I like technical aspects of rap and read about it plenty, just don't care to talk about it cause meh? I'm not trying to hear ppl do the calculus bar shit outside of battle rap more or less.

TLDR Bottom line: Nicki is a corny punchline rapper. And she doesn't even write her own lyrics so why did I just write so many paragraphs.

You still making this argument after that thread in ot

man like Roy and Pickles set you straight

 

[HiResDes]

That sample is overused, or at least I've heard too many attempts at it.

Way too overused and Courage is pretty spot on, Pac and Kendrick are powerful because their lyrics are so well nuanced, containing enough depth to appease the pseudo scholar crowd and enough simplistic immediacy to be evocative to the commoners.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Playboi, I'd take this at face value but I've seen you praise Ross off the strength of his flows when he's bang average in plenty other respects.

I also give Spitta props. Ross is like Drake, a good rapper with a good flow. And like Spitta, he picks beats that perfectly fit his style.

I don't actually wanna do the dumpster diving because that's too much work for Nicki but she can do a lot of different flows and styles lmao.

Styles yea, I'd compare her to Busta Rhymes in that sense. But flows? Eh...like Drake she rarely switches things up.

You still making this argument after that thread in ot

man like Roy and Pickles set you straight

I continue to reject that argument, especially for rap. How can you take a rapper seriously who doesn't write? I think Dr Dre has dope songs but the idea of putting him high on a rap list would be ludicrous, right?

 

[Cheddahz]

"mattyb > danny brown" - enzo

 

[Storm Chamber]

I never knew this was an actual song

Mural is indulging in figurative language to the point where it's gone wrong. Most of Lupe's music is like that honestly. I ain't about to measure rhomboid angles and divide them by chicken cutlet to find out about the meaning of a song.

But you'll listen to Kanye literally stuggle to rhyme, making up words like "apologin"?

 

[Syph Medwes]

i need that new BATCVNT tho.

im expecting a hard 8 from pitchfork

and i should've known mural was coming

No arguing going on, just another gaf hop debate/discussion. I love all these dudes. Except Courage.

dead

 

[Courage]

But you'll listen to Kanye literally stuggle to rhyme, making up words like "apologin"?

Charisma goes a long way.

 

[enzo_gt]

No arguing going on, just another gaf hop debate/discussion. I love all these dudes. Except Courage.

Courage taking my spot

 

[Esch]

Styles yea, I'd compare her to Busta Rhymes in that sense. But flows? Eh...like Drake she rarely switches things up.

I hate you and myself for making me do this

is this the same as this the same as this which is the same as and this or maybe even this

smh smh smh

I continue to reject that argument, especially for rap. How can you take a rapper seriously who doesn't write? I think Dr Dre has dope songs but the idea of putting him high on a rap list would be ludicrous, right?

well people in here take kanye seriously

people took Lauryn Hill seriously

i took Nauseir seriously when he released his untitled album

 

[IrishNinja]

many many MC's have ghostwriting, we just clown dre and the ones we know about moreso because he hasn't wanted to rap since like...the late 80's

Mural is indulging in figurative language to the point where it's gone wrong. Most of Lupe's music is like that honestly. I ain't about to measure rhomboid angles and divide them by chicken cutlet to find out about the meaning of a song.

how can peoples hate courage with posts like this

oh right he checks for some

tho

 

[IrishNinja]

fuckadouplepost

 

[Syph Medwes]

The Message being ghostwritten is the weirdest one

 

[ViewtifulJC]

how you gon have somebody ghostwrite a song for your dead brotha tho

 

[Net_Wrecker]

The Message really is a strange track. It's like Dre just went in the booth and copied Royce's temp track 1:1 without changing anything about the delivery. I mean, most of the time you can clearly hear whoever wrote Dre's verse, but on such a personal song though? Iz weird mang

 

[Syph Medwes]

That's what I'm saying, there's a limit lol like cmon at least give me some struggle bars over someone else writing your shit on such a personal heavy topic. And I like Dre.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Look what I made you do Esch.

 

[Storm Chamber]

Charisma goes a long way.

Entirely too far with some of ya'll

 

[Esch]

Look what I made you do Esch.

 

[IrishNinja]

Entirely too far with some of ya'll

you just don't get it breh
riff raff's supposed to be terrible, he's just so fun etc etc

 

[Eos]

all this over a blasian post

Love this track off the French tape.

French Montana - 5 Mo (feat Travi$ Scott & Lil Durk)

whew this is pretty good

ain't no bitch in anyone here

awesome

 

[enzo_gt]

Dre stan at heart but The Message rubs me wrong in so many ways.

I mean I like the song objectively but put into the context ugh

 

[PhoenixDark]

have someone else write a heartfelt song about your dead brother brehs

anyway
Vince Staples - Senorita (Video)

Still don't like the song but the video is amazing brehs.

 

[enzo_gt]

New King & Queen of hip-hop

 

[Net_Wrecker]

anyway
Vince Staples - Senorita (Video)

Still don't like the song but the video is amazing brehs.

It's like a Lupe video without the Lupeisms.

I like it.

 

[Nibel]

Nicki is a good MC but boring artist; would put her nowhere near the GOATs

 

[Discotheque]

It's like a Lupe video without the Lupeisms.

I like it.

did you listen to shyne goldchain 2

 

[Net_Wrecker]

did you listen to shyne goldchain 2

Aside from the Hell Can Wait EP, I've been sleeping on Vince Staples' work for a while. I don't even know why.

 

[Syph Medwes]

So I was listening to that Kissland remix tape that Toku posted probably fifty years ago and I realized the guy actually goes by Prince 85 or something and found his soundcloud...dude has some interesting stuff on there. Pretty stoked I found more Weeknd remixes, but this also caught my eye(ear?):

HOLD MY LIQUOR (Prince 85)

 

[blackaroni]

New King & Queen of hip-hop

 

[Dereck]

Awkward af

 

[Nibel]

When you happy about bae kissing you but remember seeing him leaving Baby's bedroom an hour before

BTW, seems like Khaled left Cash Money as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdSZ6EL9ihI

 

[Esch]

The Message being ghostwritten is the weirdest one

how you gon have somebody ghostwrite a song for your dead brotha tho

The Message really is a strange track. It's like Dre just went in the booth and copied Royce's temp track 1:1 without changing anything about the delivery. I mean, most of the time you can clearly hear whoever wrote Dre's verse, but on such a personal song though? Iz weird mang

Dre stan at heart but The Message rubs me wrong in so many ways.

I mean I like the song objectively but put into the context ugh

have someone else write a heartfelt song about your dead brother brehs
.

Convo reminding me of the funniest post in this thread thus far, brehs. is anyone even debating we should take a bar from this for our next OT?

shit still has me dying

 

[HiResDes]

How did I miss that gem

 

[Koozek]

Ew, Esch made me listen to Untitled again, totally forgot about that. Easily Nas' worst album.

 

[Storm Chamber]

Ew, Esch made me listen to Untitled again, totally forgot about that. Easily Nas' worst album.

Nothing's worse than Nastradamus breh