butwhatiff.... Halo 5 isn't Halo 2 anniversary... Halo 2 anniversary is Halo 5?
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butwhatiff.... Halo 5 isn't Halo 2 anniversary... Halo 2 anniversary is Halo 5?
Halo CE definitely has the best movement, it feels a little floaty and a bit like ice skating at first, but it allows for some amazing strafing and player movement options. Combo it with quick ducking with crouch, and the strafe skill ceiling in Halo CE is way higher than any other game in the series. It's just the magic of that original game engine, apparently it was a haphazard mistake that was literally created by Space Magic, but it's still the best engine in the series in terms of gameplay in my opinion.
Syphon Filter
Member
boosh and beluch you got the MM beta right? when do you guys usually play?
I don't have it, but I am interested in trying it out.
FUBAR McDangles
Member
ADS has a place in Halo.
It's been there since Halo: CE
AIM DOWN SPLIT CHIN ALIEN BASTARDS
It's been there since Halo: CE
AIM DOWN SPLIT CHIN ALIEN BASTARDS
It takes a lot of time to get used to, but it feels good after a while. Also you should jump at least once as you go up ramps in CE to offset the slower movespeed as you run up them. That's how you avoid that little floaty feeling.
See I think there's a difference between high skill ceiling movement and clunky obstuse movement.
Just because there's all these little tricks you can do to offset the clunkiness doesn't mean its a good thing because it takes more skill to move. Just makes it obnoxious.
Havoc2049
Member
The classic overshield and active camo. On larger maps, trip mines, grav lifts and either the bubble shield or the regen field from Halo 4, maybe both.
The bubble shield will always have a special place in my heart just for this trailer alone..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KTc2aZEaeg
Havoc2049
Member
I took advantage of the Gamestop trade-in deal and traded that dog in for Wolfenstein, a much better FPS. For multiplayer, there is Halo 4. ;-p
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Steelyuhas
Member
If only Halo's multiplayer was designed with a continuous revenue model where a player who spends a 1000 hours in the game would be more valuable than the player that spends 5, and therefore would make sense to design the game around what will make that player spend a 1000 hours in it (and more dollars).
If only
that hype.
Interest peaked. Wonder who the important people are.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
That would be fantastic to bring CE to the mainstream for just a short moment
, before it gets forgotten once again
lizardwizarding
Neo Member
Lol, pretty sure this isn't for CE but HYPE.
Well Halo CE's movement quirks aren't anywhere on the level of say Tribes Skiiing or Quake strafe and rocket jumping. But, there definitely is some more high level player movement going on because of the engine's quirks. Like I said, it's annoying and unintuitive at first, but after dozens and then hundreds of hours, you become very adept at the movement and begin to appreciate those quirks because of the skilled movement mechanics that are borne out of them.
People in real life do not have HUDs in their helmets that show them where the gun will fire...
The AR is built without sights because it is intended to be used without them. Thus Masterchief does not use them. However, say, the spiker, does have sights, because the brutes don't have fancy HUDs in their helmets.
Poker Face
Member
can't wait for the halo 2 tourney!!
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Part of me is hoping that 343 will surprise us all and make Halo 2 Anniversary the launching point for an all new Halo multiplayer using this model. It wouldn't be Halo 2 MP exactly, but it would be similar. Make it available as a stand alone purchase, too, and support it for the rest of this console gen.
Anyways, yeah, it's fun to dream.
I made a similar post (likes, ridiculously similar) in response to Frankies post about how CBOAT's all illegal and bad and stuff.
lizardwizarding
Neo Member
Hahaha who cares about player retention when you get that launch week hype monaaaayyy and 9.8/10's!
Would be nice though. Keeping up a vibrant community through in game events would be cool. Imagine every weekend there will be a playlist that will let you earn halo points or something which you can then use to some end.
I'd rather somebody not shit out a get-out-of-jail-free card when I'm in combat or if I see them within shooting distance. They're not balanced or take any skill to use, especially the bubble and regen, since they slow the game down. Keep OS and Camo, and keep their Halo 2 appearances. The giant blobs they used in Halo 3 were butt ugly.
The Driver
Member
Damn, just jumped back into this after being away for more than a year and...it's not that bad actually. Got stomped first match back in but I messed with my settings and loadouts afterwards and I was actually pulling 2.0-3.0+ matches. Almost even got a running riot till I got too cocky and took a death charging a dude with the fuel rod lol.
Only thing that I need to get used to (coming from Titanfall) again is that everything feels really floaty (in terms of sprinting and stopping to do anything) but really heavy (you don't jump very high/can't climb up or over anything). That and the lack of maps in the base game but whatever. Halo is fun to come back to.
Only thing that I need to get used to (coming from Titanfall) again is that everything feels really floaty (in terms of sprinting and stopping to do anything) but really heavy (you don't jump very high/can't climb up or over anything). That and the lack of maps in the base game but whatever. Halo is fun to come back to.
I'd rather somebody not shit out a get-out-of-jail-free card when I'm in combat or if I see them within shooting distance. They're not balanced or take any skill to use, especially the bubble and regen, since they slow the game down. Keep OS and Camo, and keep their Halo 2 appearances. The giant blobs they used in Halo 3 were butt ugly.
Isn't that what they look like in Halo CE? I don't even remember coming across any in Halo 2.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I'd rather somebody not shit out a get-out-of-jail-free card when I'm in combat or if I see them within shooting distance. They're not balanced or take any skill to use, especially the bubble and regen, since they slow the game down. Keep OS and Camo, and keep their Halo 2 appearances. The giant blobs they used in Halo 3 were butt ugly.
They probably got focus tested into the giant blobs they became.
In all fairness, I could see why they became blobs. Much easier to spot on a map.
Steelyuhas
Member
I think a H2 MP remake would be a good opportunity to test out a model like that. Not only is it beloved MP game, but a remake like H2 (similar to CEA) is pretty low risk. If it doesn't take off, it wasn't something that they had to call in the Iron Bank to fund. If it's a success then we could all be playing H2 in 5 years.
Dreams and stuff
HiredN00bs
Member
Agreed, but they were also a hell of a lot easier to see. I'm not saying aesthetics are irrelevant, or that they should be abandoned at the first sign of conflict, but player utility should enjoy precedent in any competitive game.
The blogs in Halo 3 were obviously for better sighting, they also took less performance to render, and had some logic as to not being physics objects anymore.
I also liked the touch where if you spawned near one, they'd make their "BROWMP" sound to tell you a powerup was nearby
I really wish they would have made 2 different custom powerups after Halo 3 though, so in theory you could have made a custom replacement for BOTH OS and Camo with your own tweaks, but you were stuck with only having a variant of one of them
I also liked the touch where if you spawned near one, they'd make their "BROWMP" sound to tell you a powerup was nearby
I really wish they would have made 2 different custom powerups after Halo 3 though, so in theory you could have made a custom replacement for BOTH OS and Camo with your own tweaks, but you were stuck with only having a variant of one of them
Yes, I'm aware of that. My point was that in real life people aim down the 'sights' of weapons that don't even have conventional sights.
The best part of a Halo 2 Anniversary release with its original or updated multiplayer, is that it brings classic Halo game play back to the forefront. Instead of it being relegated to niche status behind poorly populated playlists, there will be equal starts, on map weapons, fast movement, no sprint, no flinch, no bloom, no load outs, armor abilities or perks. I'd never go back to Halo 4, and this is why I'm doubting it will happen now.
Unless Halo 5: Guardians plays like Halo CE/2/3 in a sense, why would someone who can play essentially the same gameplay of Halo 2 on their Xbox One, play Halo 5: Guardians if it continues with what Reach and Halo 4 started. I'm starting to believe it'll be a Master Chief campaign collection with an updated Halo 2 campaign, but the only multiplayer will be Halo 5 beta that is supposed to tide us over until Guardians.
Unless Halo 5: Guardians plays like Halo CE/2/3 in a sense, why would someone who can play essentially the same gameplay of Halo 2 on their Xbox One, play Halo 5: Guardians if it continues with what Reach and Halo 4 started. I'm starting to believe it'll be a Master Chief campaign collection with an updated Halo 2 campaign, but the only multiplayer will be Halo 5 beta that is supposed to tide us over until Guardians.
NobleGundam
Banned
What's your point in wanting ADS in Halo?
Do you want it to be in SP? In MP?
Or both just to have?
If I'm not mistakened someone posted a video of Halo 3 ODST with ADS mod using the silenced smg.
Yeah but when Phil Spencer was asked if Halo 2 HD was a real he thing he said "IF such a thing were to happen it would have to be all about the multiplayer" he stressed that such a game would have o stay true to it's multiplayer. I saw this interview on IGN not long ago.
lizardwizarding
Neo Member
This is like the precipice of being completely excited for the first time in years about Halo or potentially checking out of the franchise forever. Gut-check time.
Orochinagis
Member
Yeah but spartans wear helmets adapted to be used as ADS's Hud for that reason, adding ADS will look like they are just simple marines or worse
I don't necessarily want it but I'm not going to freak out if they add it. I think it could work and I wouldn't complain if it was there.
Personally, I think it's natural for a shooter nowadays to have ADS.
Syphon Filter
Member
nah im sick of every shooter being the same.i prefer variety,accepting mediocrity is not a good idea.
NobleGundam
Banned
Can you elaborate more on what you mean by natural for a shooter?
Perhaps in 007 games and other "realistic" shooters that might depend on it but when that type of mechanic is introduced, just like any other, it can cause noticeable changes to a game that never really needed it to begin with.
Also, how would ADS help benefit Halo and is there any proof?
Agreed
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
That's how it felt after Reach being such a turd, but we had fresh blood handling the franchise, so there was a lot of hope. But now... Yeah, things are worse. 343 needs to knock it out of the park.
I said this on Twitter earlier, but man, I really love Halo. I want to see it return to its former glory so bad. Seeing that MLG tweet hit me big time.
It's more natural in the sense that its a feature adopted by many games in the genre just like others, like regenerative health, for example.
Is there any proof that it wouldn't benefit Halo?
Think about it yourself. In a game where speed, movement, melee, grenades, vehicles, and a wide assortment of weapons come into play, what makes you think slowing to a crawl to look through a tiny sight will make the game better? Especially since your helmet/hud has a reticle that basically pinpoints where your shot will land, and that you have zoom in case you need to see further for weapons like sniper etc. There is no question it would detract from the fast paced gameplay of Halo. It's not needed, nor is it wanted.
Watch this gif and tell me how the guy would benefit from ADS in this situation?
Prinz Eugn
Member
Aim-Down Sights (ADS) does not belong in Halo. The definitive guide (work in progress).
Essentially Aim-Down Sights is shorthand for gameplay mechanic in shooters where there are two discrete aiming modes: Aiming Down Sights (ADS) and Hipfire. This is the de facto standard for modern military themed shooters like Call of Duty and Battlefield. By default, the player is in hipfire mode, which allows the player to look around quickly but generally not fire the weapon accurately. To fire accurately, you need to enter ADS which allows for more precise aiming by lowering the effective sensitivity of the controls, usually both the "look" stick and the "move" stick. This is fine for some games built around it. But Halo is not one of those games.
Halo gameplay (and this is pretty much all from a multiplayer perspective) is built around a golden triangle, where using traditional weapons is still very important but also where grenades and melee are vital to success. Halo also has longer kill times in general which make tracking other players in a battle more important since you have to apply damage to them over a longer period of time.
Since there is no real ADS barrier to aiming, players are more mobile while they fight, making maneuver during a firefight important. You can duck behind a pillar or jump to throw off a burst. But most importantly in my opinion, the lack of ADS means you can smoothly transition to other parts of the "triangle" instantly. There is no artificial choice between aiming your gun accurately and doing anything else. You can throw a nade at a wall to explode under a player chasing you and whip around and immediately start pouring bullets into his or her face and finish them off with a punch to the throat without having to enter what amounts to "shoot gun mode".
Halo-style, there are way more diverse choices available to players in most situations, and they aren't automatically screwed if they turn a corner and an opposing player is already ADS'd in down the hallway. Battles are decided more often by skillful use of movement, consistent aim over time, and exploitation of other parts of the triangle than first-shot accuracy. The lack of ADS also means that since players aim isn't boosted at medium or long ranges, they have an incentive to close the range where other parts of the triangle shine. That makes for more diverse and interesting encounters. This is fun (tm). If you do not find this fun, Halo is not your game.
You might hear people say Halo games already have ADS. Not really, in true ADS games the vast majority of shooting encounters involve ADS. In Halo zoom, even if available on the equipped weapon (which you cannot assume), is useful only in a subset of long-range encounters and is more clearly disadvantageous in short-range encounters (since long kill times require you to keep on-target longer).
People have suggested making ADS optional or purely cosmetic... Why? There is no point to have a feature that does not affect gameplay (which I'm not sure is even possible since it's at the very least going to mess with your view) but removes a button that could be used for something actually interesting.
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It's late, I'm tired, will re-read and prolly edit tomorrow, feedback welcome. I will be linking back to this whenever someone brings up how Halo should be Call of Duty but with power suits (and aren't they fucking making that already?).
Essentially Aim-Down Sights is shorthand for gameplay mechanic in shooters where there are two discrete aiming modes: Aiming Down Sights (ADS) and Hipfire. This is the de facto standard for modern military themed shooters like Call of Duty and Battlefield. By default, the player is in hipfire mode, which allows the player to look around quickly but generally not fire the weapon accurately. To fire accurately, you need to enter ADS which allows for more precise aiming by lowering the effective sensitivity of the controls, usually both the "look" stick and the "move" stick. This is fine for some games built around it. But Halo is not one of those games.
Halo gameplay (and this is pretty much all from a multiplayer perspective) is built around a golden triangle, where using traditional weapons is still very important but also where grenades and melee are vital to success. Halo also has longer kill times in general which make tracking other players in a battle more important since you have to apply damage to them over a longer period of time.
Since there is no real ADS barrier to aiming, players are more mobile while they fight, making maneuver during a firefight important. You can duck behind a pillar or jump to throw off a burst. But most importantly in my opinion, the lack of ADS means you can smoothly transition to other parts of the "triangle" instantly. There is no artificial choice between aiming your gun accurately and doing anything else. You can throw a nade at a wall to explode under a player chasing you and whip around and immediately start pouring bullets into his or her face and finish them off with a punch to the throat without having to enter what amounts to "shoot gun mode".
Halo-style, there are way more diverse choices available to players in most situations, and they aren't automatically screwed if they turn a corner and an opposing player is already ADS'd in down the hallway. Battles are decided more often by skillful use of movement, consistent aim over time, and exploitation of other parts of the triangle than first-shot accuracy. The lack of ADS also means that since players aim isn't boosted at medium or long ranges, they have an incentive to close the range where other parts of the triangle shine. That makes for more diverse and interesting encounters. This is fun (tm). If you do not find this fun, Halo is not your game.
You might hear people say Halo games already have ADS. Not really, in true ADS games the vast majority of shooting encounters involve ADS. In Halo zoom, even if available on the equipped weapon (which you cannot assume), is useful only in a subset of long-range encounters and is more clearly disadvantageous in short-range encounters (since long kill times require you to keep on-target longer).
People have suggested making ADS optional or purely cosmetic... Why? There is no point to have a feature that does not affect gameplay (which I'm not sure is even possible since it's at the very least going to mess with your view) but removes a button that could be used for something actually interesting.
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It's late, I'm tired, will re-read and prolly edit tomorrow, feedback welcome. I will be linking back to this whenever someone brings up how Halo should be Call of Duty but with power suits (and aren't they fucking making that already?).
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
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