Should I have hoped for them to change it for the worse?
I can like a game and think it has room for improvement at the same time.
Halo 4: Review Thread
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I can like a game and think it has room for improvement at the same time.
AHappyPanda
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You're right, reviews are meant for that. Put if these people were ever genuinely interested in Halo, or any game franchise really, they would've kept up with at least some amount of coverage for said game.
All the pre-review Halo coverage should've led any person to the conclusion that yes, it's more Halo but tweaked in certain ways. The same people who are saying "looks like more Halo, pass" are the same people who should've known before the reviews that it'd be more Halo if they were ever actually interested. To me, everyone saying "looks like more Halo, pass" seem like people who just wanted their pre-conceptions of the game validated somehow.
SuperSonic1305
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Only a 91 Metacritic?
*cancels preorder and buys 25 bags of Doritos instead.*
*cancels preorder and buys 25 bags of Doritos instead.*
plagiarize
Banned
GAF is so nostalgic right now. System wars, Halo hate threads. I'm having a pretty good time of it. does any other games overwhelmingly positive reviews cause the same kind of crazy as the Halo series?
I'm really glad to see such a positive response. I skipped Reach, for the most part, so I'm definitely ready for a new dose of Halo. Expecting any game to 'change a genre' is really really silly. Yes, it happens occasionally but expecting it is likely to lead to disappointment again and again.
Anyone even tangentially following this would have known that they were looking to add to the Halo formula, rather than reinvent it, let alone reinvent the whole genre. that's never been the goal with Halo 4.
I'm really glad to see such a positive response. I skipped Reach, for the most part, so I'm definitely ready for a new dose of Halo. Expecting any game to 'change a genre' is really really silly. Yes, it happens occasionally but expecting it is likely to lead to disappointment again and again.
Anyone even tangentially following this would have known that they were looking to add to the Halo formula, rather than reinvent it, let alone reinvent the whole genre. that's never been the goal with Halo 4.
AHappyPanda
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IDK why you think I'm directly talking to you, but fine.
Disappointed? Again, if you read/watched any pre-review coverage of the game, you really should've come to the conclusion that the reviews are reaching, it's more Halo. It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck...it must be a duck.
Yeah, the reviews cover things pre-review coverage doesn't, but really, you should be able to see where the game was going way before any review scores ever hit.
^This
Halo is the best console FPS franchise of all time - suck it haters
I recommend you to buy it together with some Mtn. Dew and Doritos to get the real Halo experience
I recommend you to buy it together with some Mtn. Dew and Doritos to get the real Halo experience
Foliorum Viridum
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Well, as someone who has liked every Halo title released, the only thing of this game I've seen is that one E3 walkthrough at the MS press conference.
Some people don't like following a game before the release and just get a general view from reviews.
I think it's unfair to pile on people who came in this thread wondering if this would be a lot different and then were disappointed because it's not a drastic change.
bigger levels
-Halo's always had wider rails than most shooters, expanding them further might be nice
bigger multiplayer
-I liked the Battlefield mode in Reach, I don't even know if it's in Halo 4
no cutscenes
-Cutscenes are evil
better level design
-Spaces are fun, but rarely exist for anything else
better art direction
-Been a problem with the series since the beginning, I assume 343 didn't hire Bungie's artists
the suit powers from Crysis for the new Spartan armor
-More mobility would be great, I feel like Chief needs to play more like a super soldier (durr)
Why even have reviews or a thread about reviews?
Who expected Halo 4 to reinvent the genre?
Syphon Filter
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strange some say its the same.seems to much like cod to me.doesnt give me that H1-3 vibe.
plagiarize
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bigdaddyfatsack:
See?
that's also confusing to me though. why would you expect a sequel in a franchise to be drastically different if you aren't following it? drastically different is rare. why would you presume anything but more of the same? it just seems to be setting yourself up for disappointment. isn't this at least as different to what came before as all the other sequels you played and liked?
lowrider007
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I don't want to read any of the reviews so can someone tell me what the level design is like in Halo 4?, I'm hoping it still has open corridors/arenas as that worked very well for battles as it allowed the AI room to breath.
Foliorum Viridum
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343 presumably wanted to make their mark and not be a Treyarch and just copy the people who made the brand popular.
This probably will be just about different enough from the other Halo games, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to have changed up more than they seemingly have to make it their own.
Portal isn't an FPS.
It's a puzzle/platform game in a first-person perspective.
Hearing most places raving about the story, I think this has turned into a must-buy for me(while maybe not Day 1). Halo's been one of the few games that have me intrigued by the plot's twists and turns. Never cared all too much about the multiplayer.
Well thats half the problem right there. Do something different enough to 'change the genre' and people will just say, "Oh, its not really a blah blah game."
Well thats half the problem right there. Do something different enough to 'change the genre' and people will just say, "Oh, its not really a blah blah game."
AHappyPanda
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That's fine, I know people like going on blackouts for games. But seriously, it's Microsoft with their biggest (and one of the biggest in gaming) franchise, they're not gonna rock the boat "drastically." There's differences in the realities of "Well, they built a whole new studio! It SHOULD be different" versus "Yeah, they built a studio...to make more Halo."
They have a fan-base, they'll make enough changes that they feel can grow that fan-base (hello CoD-esque additions to MP) and roll the game out. My point was that any majorly drastic changes shouldn't have been expected IMO. Sequels in franchises are for the most part iterative. Evolutionary, not revolutionary. There are of course exceptions to the rule
Dance Inferno
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Read the Eurogamer review and it confirmed my fears about the campaign being a generally unsuccessful tug at your emotions, just as Reach and pretty much all Halos except ODST were. You never really care about anyone in the universe when playing the games because the humans and NPCs all seem so forgettable and bland. You never want to "save" any of them so you don't really care when disaster strikes and all of humanity gets annihilated.
In any case this might all be moot since my neighborhood still has no power post Sandy and if it doesn't get restored in the next few days I will have to cancel my pre-order lest the package get delivered and stolen by someone else in my neighborhood.
In any case this might all be moot since my neighborhood still has no power post Sandy and if it doesn't get restored in the next few days I will have to cancel my pre-order lest the package get delivered and stolen by someone else in my neighborhood.
Good Job Bob
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I just don't understand how people can be satisfied with the exact same thing over and over again.
Okay you like Halo, but don't you want a new developer to go in some interesting directions, gameplay-wise, for the new trilogy? Do you seriously want Halo 6 to play pretty much exactly the same as Halo 1?
Okay you like Halo, but don't you want a new developer to go in some interesting directions, gameplay-wise, for the new trilogy? Do you seriously want Halo 6 to play pretty much exactly the same as Halo 1?
It is called a portal gun.
plagiarize
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343 have been open about what they wanted to do and have been for years. they've apparently succeeded and left their mark, because they've made a game worthy of the name Halo if these reviews are right.
which developer has taken over the reigns mid series and reinvented it for the better that you would lead you to expect this might happen?
it's not the exact same thing, for one. there are some interesting new additions which have been praised. maybe the next game will split more, but any time a huge franchise as loved as this changes hands, it is as important to show the fans of that franchise that you 'get it' and to make it feel like the same world with the same rules and what have you as it is to put some of your own fingerprints on it.
343 had the monumental task of making something new, that still felt like Halo. they've succeeded apparently. I mean, they could have pulled a David Fincher and made a fabulous game that was very different to Bungie's Halo, and it would have had the shit torn out of it, just like Alien 3, and the franchise would probably never have recovered.
and other sections of GAF would have complained, because, you know, you can't please everyone. Halo 4 though, judging from the opinions of people that played it so far, has sure pleased a high percentage of people though.
Uhm, I don't think an internal team has to worry about that.
Halo 2 actually introduced a fair amount of mechanics. Very little progress since then, though.
That doesn't make it a shooter, though.It is called a portal gun.
Foliorum Viridum
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What you're saying makes sense, but I can't fault people for hoping they'd break the formula and do something drastically new and exciting.
Like I said, this sounds like it could be the best Halo yet so I'm excited to play it, but I must admit I had hope that they might make more of an impact. It might be a bit unrealistic, but hey, it's nice to hope!
If the formula is good and improvements are made in every release then I really don't see the problem
The kind of Halo that reviewers like isn't necessarily the kind that I want, but I'll have no regrets considering the price I got the game for.
To clarify I'm a bit worried about the AI being up to the standard that Bungie's been keeping - reviewers tend to rave about FPS singleplayer campaigns where the enemies are barely more interesting than cardboard cutouts. And I'm not sure if Spartan Ops is a worthy replacement for Firefight. I don't think I have anything to worry about, but I'll find out soon enough. Not reading reviews though, I want to go in blind.
To clarify I'm a bit worried about the AI being up to the standard that Bungie's been keeping - reviewers tend to rave about FPS singleplayer campaigns where the enemies are barely more interesting than cardboard cutouts. And I'm not sure if Spartan Ops is a worthy replacement for Firefight. I don't think I have anything to worry about, but I'll find out soon enough. Not reading reviews though, I want to go in blind.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Sorry to ask again but have the reviewers touched on the level design?
All FP and TPS games get put under "FPS" in my mind.That doesn't make it a shooter, though.
brandonh83
Banned
Damn it. I could totally move my Wii U preorder over to the Halo edition 360-- but I must remain vigilant. VIGILANCE!
Great reviews though, glad to see its doing well.
Great reviews though, glad to see its doing well.
Primethius
Banned
In the current FPS climate, I'd be fine with playing a refined version of Halo 1/2/3.
Though it should be said that I won't be getting Halo 4 due to the MP changes. I'll wait until 3-4 months after the game launches to really see how it is. I remember Reach's review thread and MP far too well.
Every Halo game has introduced a noteable amount of improvements and reading the reviews, it sounds like Halo 4 is set to do the same. Some people are seemingly unhappy without a complete overhaul, in which you'd have the other half of the fence whining and moaning about it.
Its a win-lose situation for 343 either way.
The_Darkest_Red
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7 from GameKult:
http://www.gamekult.com/jeux/test-halo-4-J110554t.html#x360
+ Classic campaign but efficient
+ Very pretty
+ Multi, coop and competitive modes
+ Free content with Spartan Ops
- Too few innovations
- Game design showing its age
- Short (Only 8 levels)
- Weird/random checkpoint system
- Tron atmosphere may shock purists
http://www.gamekult.com/jeux/test-halo-4-J110554t.html#x360
+ Classic campaign but efficient
+ Very pretty
+ Multi, coop and competitive modes
+ Free content with Spartan Ops
- Too few innovations
- Game design showing its age
- Short (Only 8 levels)
- Weird/random checkpoint system
- Tron atmosphere may shock purists
AltogetherAndrews
Banned
Innovation for the sake of it is just shit. If there is a good format, then I'm all for a developer building on top of that, removing and adding little bits to make it better. A good format is not something one easily gets tired of, certainly not when the games have a decent gap between releases. I'd rather see the carve more chunks of gold from the same mine than see them work on some kind of forced set of radically new ideas just because they somehow "should."
I for one am excited because I'm getting a game that is guaranteed to have great gameplay and that does something they haven't done in Halo since Halo CE: explore a new game world.
I for one am excited because I'm getting a game that is guaranteed to have great gameplay and that does something they haven't done in Halo since Halo CE: explore a new game world.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Thank you, I was really worried that 343 was going to go the 'cinematic linear route' with Halo 4, I've been on media blackout since it's announcement, the level design was my only worry but that quote has quashed my fears.
AHappyPanda
Member
Again, perfectly entitled to that train of thought, and you've done a much better job expressing this than other posters throughout the 20 pages or whatever of this thread.
And yeah it's nice to have "hope" for a game, Halo or otherwise, and that it's different enough for X person to begin liking X franchise; hope doesn't always coincide with reality unfortunately.
The_Darkest_Red
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Even though it's fairly standard practice at this point I still find it weird how much the average review focuses on the campaign.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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SuperSonic1305
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Probably paid off by Sony. Never heard of them anyway so their opinion is invalid.
A company whether internal or not, have their bonuses attributed to some sort of agreement whether it be sales, meta scores or another factor. So yes they do have to worry my friend.
They don't get thrown money for just making a game. Results count, it's what makes business revolve.
Or maybe improved enough for someone who likes it to love it.
Why would you use IGN as any indication of a truthful assessment of a AAA game?
FateBreaker
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Ryan McCaffrey is cool.