Halo 5 Guardians: #huntthetruth

shinobi602 said:
So where in the timeline are these episodes taking place? Current? As in right where we are now, before Halo 5?
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Well, we know the year is 2558, which would seem to put it a little after the events of Halo 4. Description of Boston fails to mention either sweltering heat or giant piles of snow, so it's either in the spring of the fall.
 
Listening to the voice mails: "We're in 26th Century Ben. You know what holds society together.. The Master Chief." <-- At least that's what the message should have said.
 
I think I like the Pharaoh = Halsey idea. The only issue is timelines - is this happening while she's running around with Jul one-handed?

Other than that, it would work well, a counter-PR thing against the campaign ONI is going to wage on the Master Chief and Halsey.
 
CRIMSONxSERAPH said:
Did you guys see what Canuck put up on Twitter? Evidently on Gamestop's Italy page they are showing that an Agent Locke is coming with the LCE as well as the statue.
Check out @ChiefCanuck's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ChiefCanuck/status/597580649998987264?s=09

Also is this the first we've seen of official box art for the LCE and LE?
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I believe so. We still can't call it "official" until 343 confirms it/reveals it for themselves. Cool that Locke action figure is ONLY 10 euros extra + "DLC a solo." What type of DLC I wonder. Spartan Locke armor in game like Gamestop?
 
In the official description of the episode it's called FERO, not pharaoh. To me it seems clear that FERO is Halsey. She has enough reason to blow ONI up.

But still I'm wondering what that Chief is a traitor thing is all about. It's mentioned in the very first episode (or was it the prologue?)
 
I don't think it's Halsey. She always loves her Spartans, exposing them to the public like this is not her type of thing, even if she could get the revenge on Parangosky. And if she has the way to contact a single person on earth(without getting suspicion from Jul), why not just tell Lasky or John where she is and requests a team to retrieve the key and her.
 
Just started following this and have finished all 7 episodes. Absolutely love this little series and can't wait for the next instalment. As for theories I'm really struggling. I don't think Fero is Halsey as why would she do this and who would want to hurt the ONI and the UNSC if a major threat is looming. Also Mshak seems to be a little too good at hacking and I'm wondering if he is actually an AI but again what is his agenda and why would he be doing this if he was.
 
Grazzt said:
I don't think it's Halsey. She always loves her Spartans, exposing them to the public like this is not her type of thing, even if she could get the revenge on Parangosky. And if she has the way to contact a single person on earth(without getting suspicion from Jul), why not just tell Lasky or John where she is and requests a team to retrieve the key and her.
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Agreed. One of Halsey's more admirable traits has always been her total devotion to "her" Spartans; I have a tough time seeing a scenario where it even occurs to her that the program might be something somebody would be ashamed over, let alone to the extent where that shame could be used as a weapon.

That said, FERO suggests ferro suggests iron suggests Halsey. I dunno.

EDIT: Or... another iron lady.

FERO is Serina Osman, director of ONI. She hates the Spartan II program for what it did to her, and wants to see it publicly ruined. She wasn't in charge during the coverup, so there's no political downside for her, and it explains ONI's "missteps" if the Director is the one orchestrating them.
 
Poodlestrike said:
Agreed. One of Halsey's more admirable traits has always been her total devotion to "her" Spartans; I have a tough time seeing a scenario where it even occurs to her that the program might be something somebody would be ashamed over, let alone to the extent where that shame could be used as a weapon.
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Depends on what ONI is doing, I think. If ONI is marking the SIIs as traitors, it might be beneficial to reveal their true history for galactic PR.

If Blue Team is with John, and ONI marks John a traitor, it may be that they are calling the whole group traitors.
 
I'm on team Fero =/= Halsey. I just don't see how exposing the Spartan 2 program aligns with her goals. But then I don't see what exposing the S2 program has to do with preparing for the deep space anomalies either so maybe it's a long game that I'm not seeing yet. But then again, then again, I think Halsey would know what's coming and would have no reason to hold that info back.
 
I love how riled Keegan made me about the clone children. Everyone agree? Even if it affected you before, the passion in his voice acting took it to a whole 'notha level*, made it feel like it was a real thing that happened, made me feel sick for those poor clone children who were made to suffer and die. He was right - did their handlers ever even call them by name, look them in the eye?

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnGRuidOXI
 
If FERO were Halsey, it could allow her to get a word in edgewise against ONI. She could help implicate a lot more of the officials that burned her, rather than the picture ONI painted of her being some rogue mad scientist.

However, I'd rather have it turn out to be someone new. We've already seen a few minor characters make reappearances, but it's a big galaxy. 343 has rightly been introducing a lot more faces so it isn't just some cliche "and how will our hero and friends save the day again?" plot every time.
 
FERO being Osman would be pretty crazy.

I doubt it is Halsey, but I suppose that could totally be possible if she thinks it will give goodwill to her Spartans and anger against ONI for what they did.
 
LordOfChaos said:
I love how riled Keegan made me about the clone children. Everyone agree? Even if it affected you before, the passion in his voice acting took it to a whole 'notha level*, made it feel like it was a real thing that happened, made me feel sick for those poor clone children who were made to suffer and die. He was right - did their handlers ever even call them by name, look them in the eye?

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnGRuidOXI
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Yeah, they really drew out how messed up the flash cloning was. I mean, I knew it was messed up before, but I had never thought about it from the perspective of the clones.

One thing though, the only real exploration I've seen of the flash clones was in one of the Halo Legends shorts where the clone did have the memories of the original. Not sure if that's canon though or if there are any other explorations of it in the books.
 
I almost thought it could have been hasley after the events of spartan ops in halo 4.
Then again, i doubt she would want to spit on her own creation. she feels abandoned by humanity, ready for revenge. lol idk
 
Another excellent episode!

Poodlestrike:
FERO is Serina Osman, director of ONI. She hates the Spartan II program for what it did to her, and wants to see it publicly ruined. She wasn't in charge during the coverup, so there's no political downside for her, and it explains ONI's "missteps" if the Director is the one orchestrating them.
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I've been thinking the very same thing here! Love the theory! Osman really fits IMO!

I love how riled Keegan made me about the clone children. Everyone agree? Even if it affected you before, the passion in his voice acting took it to a whole 'notha level*, made it feel like it was a real thing that happened, made me feel sick for those poor clone children who were made to suffer and die. He was right - did their handlers ever even call them by name, look them in the eye?
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Absolutely, I'm hoping some of the people who disliked how Halsey was painted in the Kilo-5 Trilogy take a double take after this episode,as I think it really underlines how horrific and callous it was - greater good or not (and bear in mind there was noCovenant at that point, just Insurrectionists)

I love the exchange between Parangosky and Halsey in Glasslands:-
"So why am I much worse than you."
"Oh,I'm not sure that you are. I'm a different kind of guilty. But you lied to me,Catherine
She could have said that years ago. "About what in particular?"
"Cloning"
...
"I didn't know those clones would die."
"You're the world's foremost expert on genetics. Why didn't you know?"
"Because it'snot that simple and you know it."
...
"If you genuinely believed cloning would produce a healthy child identical to the one you abducted, then why the hell didn't you use the clones for the Spartan program instead?"
Halsey had never asked herself that question. She realized she made sure she hadn't. She felt herself going under.
"Answer me, Doctor. You will damn well answer me."
"It's no more or less moral than--"
"You knew. I refuse to believe you didn't. If you didn't then you were incompetent. And that's one excuse you can never use."
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Reading that back after hearing Giraud in the episode? Wowser!

Just another observation I have regarding on the 'designed to die' part - (which is a very salient point to the above exchange!) the way I interpreted that is Petrosky actually says 'doomed to die' - which is true, but then it's Giraud that interprets it as 'designed to die' which is understandable with everything else Petrosky says.

If Halsey really did know deep inside that the clones were doomed, then you could argue that was part of the design all along,albeit one she likely doesn't even admit to herself. I also think the whole Petrosky exchange and the tone of it is a reason to argue against Halsey being FERO; unless she want's to take down ONI and has made peace with her own involvement - I'm not convinced though!

Great stuff!
 
GuitarAtomik said:
Yeah, they really drew out how messed up the flash cloning was. I mean, I knew it was messed up before, but I had never thought about it from the perspective of the clones.

One thing though, the only real exploration I've seen of the flash clones was in one of the Halo Legends shorts where the clone did have the memories of the original. Not sure if that's canon though or if there are any other explorations of it in the books.
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Yeah, I don't know about that Legends episode. In Kilo 5 we see Naomis clones first few days at the real Naomis house, and she keeps apologizing for forgetting so much. I don't think the clones keep the original memories. It's like how AIs are made I guess, they can have the neural net structure of a person, but Cortana doesn't have Halseys memories, nor is she Halsey or much like Halsey apart from being extremely smart even for an AI. Same with Black Box, though he did have a broken fragment of the original guys memory.
 
LordOfChaos said:
Yeah, I don't know about that Legends episode. In Kilo 5 we see Naomis clones first few days at the real Naomis house, and she keeps apologizing for forgetting so much. I don't think the clones keep the original memories. It's like how AIs are made I guess, they can have the neural net structure of a person, but Cortana doesn't have Halseys memories, nor is she Halsey or much like Halsey apart from being extremely smart even for an AI. Same with Black Box, though he did have a broken fragment of the original guys memory.
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Cool. Didn't know that. I need to get around to reading the Kilo-5 stuff.
 
Poodlestrike said:
Well, we know the year is 2558, which would seem to put it a little after the events of Halo 4. Description of Boston fails to mention either sweltering heat or giant piles of snow, so it's either in the spring of the fall.
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The thing I dont get is why there was an ad for the 56' hog 19 years ago?
 
Poodlestrike said:
Even simpler answer: it's supposed to be an illustrative example, not necessarily the exact ad the guy was taking part of. After all, that one seems to have been spoken, and the '56 hog is visual.
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I was going to say that, but I re-listened to that part of the episode to check, and the 56 number is used there as well.
 
Okay, so this isn't directly connected to #huntthetruth, but it very well could be, if 343i decides to go this route.

I've been re-reading the Fall of Reach, and on pg 77 we find that Déjà had checked the ONI projections for Outer Colony stability, which dictates when a civil war might begin. We know that these projections are a huge determining factor in Halsey opting to continue with the SPARTAN Program.

I'm curious if Déjà checking the ONI projections was her checking the accuracy of the math based on ONI data, or if it included Déjà actually checking the initial data as well.

If the latter is not true, and if Déjà (and by extension Halsey) used ONI data for their own calculations, then this is where my question/theory comes into play. Could the data that propelled Halsey to agree to carry out the SPARTAN Program actually have been fabricated by ONI, as a means to end those who they did not have control over?

Before you think that ONI isn't capable of such, consider that they've already shown their willingness to go to great (morally unsound) lengths to eradicate those who they feel they don't have complete control over (Kilo Five trilogy). We already know from what's been released of Hunt the Truth that ONI fabricated data, records, and profiles all in attempt to have Benjamin Giraud accept the false history ONI wants told. We can also fairly easily hypothesize from what we know of Master Chief's "betrayal" that ONI has lost control of 117 and seem to be going to great lengths to either again gain control of, or otherwise stop the Chief.

So just from what we've seen and can guess from 343i's tenure, ONI are masters of providing false information for their own agenda, and have major control issues and will even go so far as to commit atrocities and start wars in order to remove uncontrollable entities.

I need to re-read Halsey's Journal (and maybe Ghosts of Onyx, too) and see if I've overlooked something that would directly disprove my theory, but from what I've thusfar seen, I would not in the slightest put it past ONI to fabricate data to such a degree that the "facts" are undeniable to Halsey and she feels she must commit such evils to children (and clones) to prevent an otherwise inescapable war with Insurrectionists.

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If (I realize it could be a very big if) my theory is true, then this could be more of the truth that is either uncovered by Giraud, or possibly has already been uncovered by Halsey (especially if she is in fact FARO). It could also explain ONI's disdain for Halsey, because she is the single greatest threat of making known that ONI lied to get their Spartans in the first place, and once Halsey starts becoming uncontrollable, it greatly scares ONI what could come of that.
 
I remember reading the old books and thinking about the clones but really, it does just shunt them off.

The early books do such a phenomenal job of presenting the Spartans as a fortuitous last ditch attempt to keep humanity in check, and then subsequently as the only response to the Covenant, that they become the ultimate "ends justify the means" example.

They're doing a really good job with these of showing just how fucked up the whole process was. We've been conditioned to think of anything leading to the Spartans as necessary, no matter how much sacrifice it entailed.. It will be interesting to see where they go from here.
 
CRIMSONxSERAPH said:
SNIP
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From what I remember from Halsey's journal/etc I felt that the Carver findings, along with her own research showed that insurrection was unavoidable.

http://www.halopedia.org/Elias_Carver

I suppose the numbers could be tweaked, or they could have even put Carver up to it (he did commit suicide shortly thereafter) for that matter.

But I don't know, Halsey doesn't seem to be the type to be fooled, even by ONI.

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FunkyDealer.. it's "FERO" and spelled that way on the Hunt the Truth tumblr, for whatever reason.

Regarding the clones.. damn. That was a HEAVY episode.

I've always been #TeamHalsey and #DoWhateverItTakes, but damn if that episode make me think twice. The books really did a great job of putting it in the 'Do this or we're extinct' perspective.. but now, man that's brutal.

The last couple of minutes were just epic storytelling (and really, the whole show has been thus far).
 
well yeah, the SPARTAN program can only be justified in hindsight, since all evidence points to them being made to kill rebels, not aliens
 
Arjac said:
well yeah, the SPARTAN program can only be justified in hindsight, since all evidence points to them being made to kill rebels, not aliens
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On the other hand, projections predicted that the program would save millions of lives by being a more precise offensive against rebel worlds. Halsey herself did the mathematics to model them.

Now, the question is if even in the 26th century, projections can predict things like that so accurately. Like, what if a world had a leadership change, and extended a hand in peace instead? I have doubts about even Halsey with computers 500 years faster than ours could make such accurate prediction.

But, that's the in-universe explanation, anyways.

Though on the third hand (err, foot?), it still didn't need to involve the clone children, which even Parangosky questioned Halsey on the need for. Halsey only answered back with "to provide closure" or some such, rather than saying it was all ONIs plan as well, so I think the clones are on her, if even she didn't defend herself for it.
 
Kind of away from the HuntTheTruth, but I'm not sure I've seen anything of this before.

It's from the synopsis of the Halo 5 Artbook

This deluxe art book chronicles the creative and breathtaking art of the worlds, vehicles, and characters of Halo 5: Guardians, with exclusive details behind the creation of returning characters, such as the Arbiter and the Master Chief himself.
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So, does anyone else think Arby will just be a side character or a returning playable?
 
CalamityPixel said:
Kind of away from the HuntTheTruth, but I'm not sure I've seen anything of this before.

It's from the synopsis of the Halo 5 Artbook



So, does anyone else think Arby will just be a side character or a returning playable?
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Side character, sadly. Doubt they'll go for 3 separate playable protagonists.
 
CalamityPixel said:
Kind of away from the HuntTheTruth, but I'm not sure I've seen anything of this before.

It's from the synopsis of the Halo 5 Artbook



So, does anyone else think Arby will just be a side character or a returning playable?
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We know more than half the campaign will be Locke (I think they said the majority? Whatever that means). Some will have to be Chief, being a main series Halo game, so I doubt they're going to do a 3 way split, 2 seems plenty. As long as Arby is more significant to the plot than just the intro and gets some cutscene time, I'm ok with that.

Maybe even have his voice feeding Locke information? Or fighting beside him as we saw in the H2A epilogue.
 
LordOfChaos said:
We know more than half the campaign will be Locke (I think they said the majority? Whatever that means). Some will have to be Chief, being a main series Halo game, so I doubt they're going to do a 3 way split, 2 seems plenty. As long as Arby is more significant to the plot than just the intro and gets some cutscene time, I'm ok with that.

Maybe even have his voice feeding Locke information? Or fighting beside him as we saw in the H2A epilogue.
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My guess. Locke & Co are the players (assuming you've got people joining your for coop), and on some missions Arby and his guys will be allies.

Hopefully they'll be smarter than Marines or Noble Team.

Not that they could be dumber.
 
LordOfChaos said:
We know more than half the campaign will be Locke (I think they said the majority? Whatever that means). Some will have to be Chief, being a main series Halo game, so I doubt they're going to do a 3 way split, 2 seems plenty. As long as Arby is more significant to the plot than just the intro and gets some cutscene time, I'm ok with that.

Maybe even have his voice feeding Locke information? Or fighting beside him as we saw in the H2A epilogue.
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Ah man, where did they say locke is the majority of the game? I want more MC than this new guy. lol
 
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