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Halo 5: Guardians |OT5| Is HaloGAF irrelevant now?
- Thread starter sir_dany12
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Team liquid -ace +Spartan official. While I think dropping ace was weird I'd put this as an upgrade. Spartan has been underrated lately, mainly for his tweet game, but he's an excellent player, has a tendancy to g9 off, and grinds more than most. Props to him, excited to see how they'll do.
Now if only Saiyan would jump ship for greener pastures....
Now if only Saiyan would jump ship for greener pastures....
No kidding. I watched his stream last night, he casually matched solo against snipedown, ola, daffs, and elumnite and won. Without team chat. Listening to music. While interacting with his stream. Just shitting with the sniper.
BizzyBum
Member
Hopefully 343 has some big plans to announce after Denver finals or else Huke won't be the only one going to CoD. lol
Leyasu
Banned
The aiming was great during the beta, then they fucked it up
Im very interested in the COD scene heading into WWII and i want my favorite Halo pros to be treated right. I would be fine with some other pros making the switch. Hcs is gonna be over by the summer season.
The beta did a lot of things right, but you know 343 and their infinite amount of wisdom.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Heard this exact thing from 3 Halo mates, each over 10 years of Halo buddies too.
Yeah same here, huge turn off and wonder why they did this
Yeah, I'm a Halo vet from the beginning and Halo 5 has one of the worst aiming mechanisms than any shooter I have ever played.
It's kinda bittersweet for me. Worlds 2016 got me into competitive halo and esports in general. That could have been the springboard for a healthy competitve scene, but instead the scene has been stamped out by some baffling decision making. It's so strange to me that so much cash should be invested into something managed in this way.
I can't blame any pro players for wanting to leave for greener pastures. MLG is running COD expertly and are setting a clear example for how console esports should be managed. Its a shame 343/esl won't work with them or at least emulate their structural competency.
Pro-AM players have gone through a lot. From reach being shit until 343 fixed it. To 343 signing an exclusive deal with Virgin esports. To AGL in basements. To MCC and H2A. And now this. There's only so much people can take before the look for something better.
ZeezbruhTV
Member
Nollemaster
Member
You guys think Halo 3 will get a decent population again?
I cant imagine you've played many shooters if that's the case.
GringoSuave89
Banned
H5 beta had amazing aiming. I can't for the life of me understand why it was changed.
Lmao, here you again blindly defending everything 343 does. It is DOCUMENTED that Halo 5 aiming is shit. I'm playing LawBreakers now and the aiming feels perfect (new shooter from a small studio).
Halo 5 beta felt fine, but they changed it for the worse.
It's also been documented to be fixed as of a few months ago with a hot fix. 343i has acknowledged the issue and addressed it (which means it should not be a problem in Halo 6), so at this point you are literally going on about something that is simply now a non issue.
The core aiming mechanics were not fixed. What are you talking about?
ZeezbruhTV
Member
Your aiming changing mid game based on who the hell knows what circumstances was "fixed". Core aiming mechanics still blow.
Won't be anything crazy, but I'm hoping its serviceable.
Heavy Aim which is what everyone keeps bitching about was fixed in May.
At this point it is either your controller settings in Halo 5 or your simply not able to adapt to Halo 5's gameplay mechanics/fast movement.
I thought you were talking about heavy aim.
There's nothing wrong with the core mechanics.
BizzyBum
Member
Personally, I'd wait and see what Halo 6 brings. It's a safe bet we'll see it next Fall and make my decision to switch to another game based on how good it is and what 343 does with competitive settings. I think going with anyone but MLG at this point for Halo 6 esports would be a huge mistake. If they announce an MLG partnership again and actually treat Halo esports with some effort then I don't think anyone moves to another game minus Huke because of $$$, possibly Snakebite too since he has a CoD background and even said on his stream he might make the switch just to see if he could do it.
Fata1moose
Banned
Pre-ordered the Xbox One X. I hope 343i has some real content updates planned for its launch alongside the 4K update. The game could use an injection of life, which Forge maps won't bring.
BizzyBum
Member
I wouldn't expect much. Sandbox update and the Halo 3 throwback playlist. Who knows though, we might get pleasantly surprised. I'm real interested if anything is in the pipeline for 2018.
Gnome Scat
Member
I'm luke warm on the way 343i has decided to innovate/evolve Halo's gameplay, but innovation is definitely a necessity to keep Halo alive; mimicking a formula from 2001 in 2017 wouldn't be appealing to new players and would probably be pretty boring for 343i to work with. I think if that formula is instead preserved but expanded off of, then there may be less division in the community. I don't think a Halo that plays faster is a bad thing, but I think that splicing in popular trends from other games to achieve that isn't a good call. Sprint is a contentious subject because it removes aspects of Halo's classic gameplay - like always having your weapon raised and being able to move every direction at the same speed - to accommodate a particular mechanic. If 343i found a way to make the game fast that don't require sacrificing things that make Halo stand out, then I feel the fanbase would be a bit more receptive to innovation.
But honestly speaking, as much flak as I've given the new mechanics, they're perfectly serviceable and fun. Maybe not distinctly Halo, but still enjoyable. I think that Halo gameplay isn't Halo's big problem right now, but instead its identity. Comparing the direction Halo 5 took overall to any of the classics can clearly show where Halo is going wrong. The story takes itself too seriously and has become to convoluted and contrived, the art style has become unappealing, missions have become too streamlined and scripted, and a lot of other smaller details have contributed to the diminishing of Halo's identity, and now the games feel less inviting and fun. Everything has become so melodramatic and space opera focused that it's sucked all of the charisma out of Halo. Making changes such as giving the Covenant back their personality are welcomed and encouraged, 343i really needs to do more if they want to make Halo feel like Halo again.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I'd love some new dev maps or more FF goodness too but I'll be happy to run H5 4K on that new 1X alongside D2 for the short term. I guess I should dive into HW2 as well at that time, didn't pick it up at launch.
Leyasu
Banned
Same. Hopefully a few options.
Like a 4k (or as close as they can get it), plus a 1080p option that really ups the visuals.
Hopefully we will hear soon.
IIRC they aren't putting in actual 4K textures etc, and are instead rendering the game at 4K with the current assets. I don't see why they'd do this if they won't do that. Would be nice though.
We're hard at work on those plans, and understand that being timely is crucial. We're moving as fast as we can while ensuring all the right pieces are being put into place. The studio support for esports has never been greater, and I think that will be reflected.
I think that's false - just look at how ESL is handling the pro league. We have month long breaks and then a couple of weeks of action followed by more long breaks. Some players have been waiting for 6 months to get their money - at that point, they should be collecting interest charges.
All 343 has been doing is saying "we're trying" yet the HCS is in a horrible place and only the top 3 can make any real money. Just excuse after excuse. I won't be surprised if a good bit go to COD - a properly ran league.
ESL has completely ruined the perception of Halo esports and 343 should be ashamed for partnering with them.
I sure hope so... all these potential defections have me biting my nails.
This guy is a top 4 h5 player!
Esl's handling of this season and last, really seems like they are going through the motions and just finishing out their contract. Reading between the lines in tashi's post seems to reinforce this. Responding to support after denver - Esport support is best it's ever been, can't talk about post Denver just yet... for "reasons"
By the way, pro league starts up again tonight. Basically zero hype and shitty format aside, I'm happy to have some halo to watch. I might even bump the official thread so that belushy (edit: sorry, schuey) and I can have our own private chat
NippleViking
Banned
So, CoD:WW2's social space looks pretty cool. With CoD, Destiny 2, and Splatoon popularising these social hubs, I wouldn't be particularly shocked to see a similar system implemented in Halo 6.
I think that's false
No one is trolling here. Halo/HCS has some serious problems.
Oh I don't doubt it. I just want to make a comment about how cyren could come across a field of dead horses and he'd instantly be on the phone with Louisville sluggers.
I don't follow the esport side of Halo since the end of the Halo 3 days, which is why the communication around Halo 5 was a huge turn-off, so I can't comment, but after reading this, it doesn't make me want to give it a try and follow it once again...
I don't know if that's the picture everyone has from Halo, regarding esport, but if that's so, I'm not sure it will recover from this anytime soon.
I'd prefer the Toledo Mud Hens if possible.
This is cool, and a natural evolution. It's more like the main menu of FPSes are going to become 3D areas to tool around in while waiting for a match.
even back in the Halo 2 / 3 days I always wanted a thing where your team was flying around inside a Pelican or some ship between matches, it comes down and picks you up at the end of each match. I marked out a bit when Titanfall did a party of it, where you get in the ship at the end and it ports into space, but it's not a continous thing.
And of course in Burnout Paradise the whole world was the lobby.
Samurai G0SU
Member
This ^
All of this.