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Halo Anniversary |OT| It All Comes Full Circle
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Yes, they just won't have a date on them when you/someone else looks at them.
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
I have had zero issue with this. So to say EVERYONE is having this issue is false. Works fine for me and my co-op buddy. Never have had an issue with a halo co-op game. So yea....take that however you want.
The Lamonster
Member
Maybe we should take a vote. Online co-op is unplayable for me and everyone I know IRL when not hosting.
It's pretty amazing that we haven't seen an official 343 comment on this issue. Maybe there's a forum post out there somewhere but I haven't seen one.
Okay, if not everyone then it's damn sure enough people to warrant 343i at least acknowledging the issue. It's slightly annoying when I see Frankie on here joking about donuts and moons when the reason I bought Halo CEA is damn near unplayable.
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
It would be based on the latency that you have from your service provider. So to blame it on the game when it is your ISP is unfair.
Sorry, but that's a little bit weak. Say you have a great connection to a friend, 50ms. You're going to have 100ms of input lag under this situation that you wouldn't have playing games that aren't using this system. I understand why it's this way, but I think it's bad enough that they should have mentioned it before the game came out.
The Lamonster
Member
That's goofy man. I'm not going to go as far as posting speedtest.net screenshots, but believe me, latency is not the issue. I can do co-op just fine in other games.
That'd be a good idea, since speedtest tests bandwidth and not latency.
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
I don't think it should come to that either, but in our case we have a 10 ms ping to our service provider, and the way the net code is that makes a difference, at least that is my understanding.
It tests latency as well. The ping tab determines how long it takes for the packets to transfer.
HiredN00bs
Member
If you want a number for the latency you're working with, just ping your DNS server, have your friend ping your DNS server, and add the two numbers. I played co-op with a friend in British Columbia, Canada (West Coast) and I'm in Maryland, USA (East Coast) and our ping is around 150ms. It was very palpable, but we took turns hosting, and we learned to deal with it. It's nothing new to people that have played Halo 3 Campaign, Halo 3: ODST Campaign and Firefight, and Halo: Reach Campaign and Firefight. The only difference in CEA from those games is that those games let you control your look without latency, since it's not necessary to synchronize your particular perspective to the host in lockstep networking. It may have been impossible for them to implement these same features in CEA given the circumstances.
Major Williams
Member
Forgive me, but I'm having trouble understanding the terminal on Halo where
I'm still confused, and if someone could start at square one and explain this terminal it would be helpful.
343 GS introduces himself.
The meeting of the monitors - that was on the Ark? When did it take place? After MB freaked out and activated the array the first time?
The meeting of the monitors - that was on the Ark? When did it take place? After MB freaked out and activated the array the first time?
I'm still confused, and if someone could start at square one and explain this terminal it would be helpful.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Square One: You might want to spoiler tag that before someone sensitive complains.
It's not a big spoiler, but you can never be sure.
As for the actual questions:
- Yes, on the Ark.
- Most likely after the events of Cryptum but before the firing of the Halo array that wiped out the Flood 100,000 years ago.
- Most likely after the events of Cryptum but before the firing of the Halo array that wiped out the Flood 100,000 years ago.
The latency number only shows latency between you and the test server. And it always chooses the closest test server.
As others have said, it's not a universal issue. We are looking into it, but one of the first things to try is fiddling with wireless router settings (easiest test is to plug into router/modem directly and see if you notice an improvement) - they can have a massive impact on non-host situations, just like (not coincientally -since we follow the same model for MP and Firefight) other Halo games. We're not ignoring it but we have to look at it clinically.
Other issues that will have an affect:
TV
ISP
Normal Input Latency
Major Williams
Member
Haha, yeah, understandable.
So why did they abandon their rings?
Why were they conversing with Forerunners? Were those the librarians followers?
Was that before or after the other monitor said they deserved to be forgotten?
Why were they conversing with Forerunners? Were those the librarians followers?
Was that before or after the other monitor said they deserved to be forgotten?
Barrow Roll
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-I_O-nBfQA
It's different but still sounds amazing to me. Love it. Name is kind of random though.
Great point.
Holy moly, I dont agree with what Fyre has to say most of the time, but someone finally gets it...
It's a Wizard of Oz reference. They go for a walk in the woods, and sing and fret about... Lions and tigers and bears, oh my.
Barrow Roll
Member
Goes to show how uncultured I am.
The Lamonster
Member
Lions, tigers and Barrow my!
The Lamonster
Member
Halo multiplayer has whatever soundtrack you want!
Hypertrooper
Member
No, you aren't. We are just young.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Halo, Silent Cartographer and Assault On Control Room are still the best levels in any FPS ever, I hope 343 look to those for where to take the franchise with 4 onwards.
The Lamonster
Member
To be fair, AotCR is pretty repetitive. And I prefer the Two Betrayals version of the level.
I think it's pretty clear that in most cases this isn't something people can fix themselves unless they have some seriously screwed up networking in their house. Obviously most of the people experiencing the problem have played other co-op games on the same TV without issue. Synchronous co-op where even the camera controls are being sync'd with the host are 100% at fault here. Not someone using a 802.11G wireless adapter. Sure they might be able to shave a few ms off their connection to the host, but it's not going to improve things.
I'd love to know if there's a way to unlock the camera control at least for the 'client'.
The Elite
BOSS
I'm not a huge fan of Halo - The level. Feels a bit too repetitive for me.
I can say that I played through Reach and Halo 3 multiple times co-op as host and client with no problems and this game is practically unplayable for me. I wouldn't have high hopes, but I guess some people are not as affected by it. I'm assuming they're either geographically very close to the host or they are somehow unaware of input lag. Maybe they have android brains or something.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
If you trick you'er way down at the first bridge you can cut a lot of the fluff out but I would take a level like that being too long rather then the narrow, more stream lined levels from H2.
Never felt Halo had that problem, being able to choose where to go in the last section makes it feel really open and different.
The Human levels of H2 were pretty good. IMO 343i should be looking that the level design of Halo, Silent Cartographer, AotCR, Outskirts, Delta Halo, Tsavo Highway, Storm, Ark, Mombasa Streets, and NMPD HQ.
The Elite
BOSS
But it's the same objective in every area. It's not a level I hate, I'm just not too fussed about it.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Not sure if posted, but on kiki wolfkill's (is that really her last name?) twitter, she says there's no Halo 4 VGA trailer, unless there's some underlying joke behind the tweet that I'm not understanding (just taking it at face value).
https://twitter.com/#!/k_wolfkill/status/139036996491423746
https://twitter.com/#!/k_wolfkill/status/139036996491423746
Yeah, Indiana to Utah. The only thing that gives me hope is they've been on 640k dsl, but now we're both fiber.
She is probably talking about that "fake" VGA teaser going around.
That is indeed her name, as epic as it is.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
What's this about a fake VGA teaser? First time I'm hearing about it.
HiredN00bs
Member
You're only now perceiving input lag that's always been there, only because the camera is now susceptible to it. Also, your latency will vary by host.
Halo:CEA is the first online co-operative Halo game that hosts on the party leader's box. Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, and Halo: Reach will choose the host automatically, so the only way to determine if you are the host is if you have no input lag.
I wonder if an asynchronous model can be adopted for Halo 4's co-operative modes.
Your talking about the difference between synchronous and asynchronous net code, correct? CMP is asynchronous while co-op is generally synchronous since there is less margin for error due to latency or packet loss.
Meaning that there is no guarantee that the original multiplayer would experience the same latency issues.
I thought it was explained with Reach, or was it ODST, that firefight and co-op use a different type of netcode than competitive multiplayer. Generally there is more room for error in a CMP game than what's found in a cooperative type mode. Two players may disagree with who should die first, for example, due to latency, but when playing co-op, each player needs to be able to see the same thing, which is why a different type of net code is used. I could be entirely wrong, but I swear I learned about the different types of code used with one of the past Halo games.
Also, since you guys are looking into issues, is there any (microscopic) chance someone can look into the inconsistent frame rate? Was playing again last night and noticed the stuttering. It's a bigger issue than the co-op latency IMO.
With Anniversary being out and the way Wolfkill and the other dude (forgot his name) from 343i talked about how much they want to share things with the community and show stuff in the gameinformer interview I'm pretty confident (and I hope I'm right) that we'll see something from Halo 4 at this year's VGA awards.
We'll most definitely not gonna see gameplay but a Reach-like trailer along with an info-screen blowout at gameinformer will be fine.
I'm really curious to see where they've gone art direction-wise and what Corrine Yu did to the Halo engine.
CE multiplayer used lockstep. Halo 2 and onwards multiplayer used asynchronous.
It is guaranteed since Halo 1 multiplayer used lockstep networking, and a version of lockstep that assumed everyone was playing on the same hub.
HiredN00bs
Member
What about Halo PC?
With Anniversary being out and the way Wolfkill and the other dude (forgot his name) from 343i talked about how much they want to share things with the community and show stuff in the gameinformer interview I'm pretty confident (and I hope I'm right) that we'll see something from Halo 4 at this year's VGA awards.
We'll most definitely not gonna see gameplay but a Reach-like trailer along with an info-screen blowout at gameinformer will be fine.
I'm really curious to see where they've gone art direction-wise and what Corrine Yu did to the Halo engine.
I don't need to see gameplay, but a real time cut-scene/trailer would be enough for me. Just a glimpse of what we can expect from the game graphically is all I'm asking for.
I didn't know this, thanks for the heads up. I guess this was the case since the MP was designed with system link in mind?
edit:
Yeah, my mistake, didn't realize this before. Thanks for the explanation though.
Dude, she was in the Gameinformer video! She is straight up bossin'.
I'm not sure. I remember issues over LAN at least one of the times we attempted it.