Poodlestrike
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I think we should be fine keeping the discussion here. Just leave spoiler tags on everything until, say, 6 months after release?
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Halo Lore Thread
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I think we should be fine keeping the discussion here. Just leave spoiler tags on everything until, say, 6 months after release?
Hm... Is 6 months too long?
MrGreencastle
Member
I think the Lore thread should be spoiler-free (that is, spoilers must be tagged) for the first little while after a piece of fiction is released, but then discussion should move on without worry. In my opinion, this thread moves slowly enough in the off weeks/months that splitting it further into more subthreads seems counterproductive to some good discussion.
Though maybe Nightfall and Broken Circle should have a "release/readthrough thread" in OT? Who knows if anyone would see it among all the other Halo stuff going down around that time...
Poodlestrike
Banned
Six months may be a bit long, yeah. I'm just anticipating renewed interest in the lore when MCC drops.
Nightfall probably deserves an OT, but that may belong in offtopic. Dunno if Broken Circle is a big enough deal to merit its own thread.
4 months?
Nightfall should maybe get an OT, but then again it could just be included in this one and the MCC OT.
Oh, I think everyone mistook me... When I said dedicated book discussion, I meant in this thread. So like I would edit the thread title to say: "Now discussing Halo: Broken Circle." And then after enough time I'll remove it and discussion will continue as normal.
So for example the thread title would be:
Halo Lore Thread - Now Discussing Broken Circle [Tagged Spoilers Beware]
Maybe even the specific page number of where the discussion begins.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Ah! Yeah, good thought.
GringoSuave89
Banned
With Nightfall being a miniseries, I think it should get its own OT. Broken Circle can stay here.
Yeah, though I didn't mean for Broken Circle to have it's own thread. Check 2 posts above yours.
MrGreencastle
Member
I think that makes sense. Good idea.
Cool cool. Also I should probably add the latest book into the "Current" section.
Was there any more info released on the mysterious ship that was in CE's terminal 6?
As far as I'm aware CEA is the first and last place it was ever mentioned.
Kind of weird, because 343 isn't shy about telling us stuff :\
GringoSuave89
Banned
What other books have you read? First Strike, Fall of Reach, and Ghosts of Onyx are musts.
In terms of newer books, the Kilo-Five Trilogy is another one (though not everyone here is a fan).
Poodlestrike
Banned
Halo 2 Anniversary Terminals are about the Arbiter's backstory, apparently.
I expect we'll get a variety of content. The CEA terminals were basically 343's time on the Halo ring, but there was a lot of variety within that bound as well.
LordOfChaos
Member
We really know nothing more about it, and it may never become important. Remember, the Librarian had over 100 (126 or something like that) "favored" intelligent species, so intelligence in the galaxy is likely to have much more than just the humans, covanant, flood, and forerunners.
I do want it to be explored though, if a civilization achieved space flight so much earlier than the covvies or humans after the halo ring firing, they could be pretty advanced and powerful indeed, maybe enough to stomp the two prior. Unless they reset themselves or wiped themselves out, or the flood ate them, etc.
My other theory is that the spacecraft was just in flight when the ring fired, and it simply shot through space for millennia until hitting the ring. That's a boring theory, and some people will refute it with the 7 life monitors shown in the terminal.
My strongest feeling is that it was just a way to show 343s solitude and longing for information, a bit of throwaway lore, really. But I do hope it's expored, as are other intelligent species in the galaxy. The Mantle of responsibility should cover more than just the Covanant races.
I'm well aware, but that doesn't mean they couldn't fit that in somehow.
He was in charge during the events on that Halo. Who knows if the Covenant found that ship or not while 343 was busy being distracted by the Flood and the Chief?
True, it would also be a good way to bridge the gap to Halo 5.
I always thought the ship was of Precursor origin. Maybe not the Precursors themselves but a new race created by them to test humanity.
By that I meant I have read everything up to and including the forerunner stuff. Don't think I got to the one with a red dress or something on the cover. Okay so Kilo five.
GringoSuave89
Banned
Yup, the one with the girl in the red dress on the cover is the third book of that trilogy.
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LordOfChaos
Member
Dayyum. I wasn't really into this Halo Escalation comic series, but I read it anyways and am glad I did. 10 really absorbed me into it.
I'm not surprised by the end though, as soon as they said it would be a self contained story, I figured they'd kill or contain the Didact such that people who finished 4 but didn't read it would figure he just died in halo 4, while comic readers would know a bit more but come to the same end.
Master Yoshi
Member
I'm pissed. The entire Halo series has been about the mystery of the Forerunners. Halo 4 finally introduces us to what may be the final living Forerunner... and then they kill him in a severely rushed comic book, with shitty art? My jimmies have been officially rustled.
Also, they totally wasted the reintroduction of Blue team. So mad.
Also, they totally wasted the reintroduction of Blue team. So mad.
Poodlestrike
Banned
The Didact is almost certainly not the final living forerunner. And while the art is shitty, I do like the writing in the last few issues. So I'm okay with it, on the balance.
LordOfChaos
Member
I'm hoping they re-reintroduce them in Halo 5
If you haven't seen it, big fictional tidbits in the latest Halo bulletin.
https://blogs.halowaypoint.com/en-us/blogs/headlines/posts/the-halo-bulletin-9-24-14
Was really great to meet Grim and the guy behind Catalog at PAX. Theyre definitely interested in answering those small questions Halo fans have to tide us over for the big stuff...
https://blogs.halowaypoint.com/en-us/blogs/headlines/posts/the-halo-bulletin-9-24-14
Was really great to meet Grim and the guy behind Catalog at PAX. Theyre definitely interested in answering those small questions Halo fans have to tide us over for the big stuff...
So the Drinols are still in, huh?
I'm very interested.
As for Escalation #10, it was cool, I guess. The Didact over both Halo 4 and though the comics have felt like a waste and was much more interesting in the Forerunner Trilogy.
I asked Frankie a while back if some of the stuff in Conversations of the Universe was essentially retconned, given the discrepancies between CEA and Spark's logs, but Frankie responded (I think here on GAF) that as he wrote parts of it, they're still very interested in keeping it as part of the canon. Hopefully sooner rather than later
They say he's contained so I expect him to show up again somewhere down the line.
I do agree about Blue Team
I do agree about Blue Team
Interesting. I haven't read Escalation but
I'm really surprised they brought the Ur-Didact back in it. I really hope he doesn't return, he's honestly a pretty mediocre villain. And the events on Installation 3 would be too difficult to explain in game. IMO the Master Builder would have made a much better villain, especially since he's the creator of the damn Halo Rings. And I really feel that 343 should get Greg Bear to write for Halo games.
That would be such a joy. I pretty much need it all to come to life in some way, shape, or form!I asked Frankie a while back if some of the stuff in Conversations of the Universe was essentially retconned, given the discrepancies between CEA and Spark's logs, but Frankie responded (I think here on GAF) that as he wrote parts of it, they're still very interested in keeping it as part of the canon. Hopefully sooner rather than later
I think this is a pretty cool idea. And I know people aren't a fan of her, but I would welcome Karen Traviss to write as well. I like the stuff she's done already and she wrote Gears of War 3, which I thought had the best story.
Poodlestrike
Banned
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But seriously, no. She's pretty awful.
She's really not that good with Halo. Her constant hate for Halsey is annoying. I wouldn't have her write a game.
Also, does anyone think we'll see anything related to the precursors in Halo 5? They're the most interesting part of the Halo Universe for me by far right now.
LordOfChaos
Member
I wonder where people stand on that one. There were people disappointed with the reveal of the forerunners since it made them less mysterious and more like mere space humans. Other people were ok with it, but I'd wonder if even they would want some aspects of the Haloverse left in shadow so you can stay in wonder.
I do however want to know what of the things the Primordial said were true and what were lies. And were Precursors all like graveminds? Did they really exist before what we think was the big bang? Did they imprison the Primordial on purpose, as a sort of failsafe over the falling of their species?
Poodlestrike
Banned
I think we'll start to see the Precursors rear their head in Halo 5, but they'll stay mysterious for a little while.
As in discussions within the game about the Precursors, or an actually Precursor showing up?
Because I thought that all the Precursors were extinct at this time besides the ones "existing" within the Flood.
Poodlestrike
Banned
The former.
Ahh Ok.
It'd be nice fore them to reveal more info about them, but at the same time it's nice to have them as this mysterious prehistoric race behind everything.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yeah. Although, they've got an inherent advantage in that they're so advanced their tech is basically a step removed from being outright magical; you can learn a ton about them, and there'll still be a lot left to explain.
greenleafcm
Neo Member
The Didact is not dead. Brian Reed confirmed it on his Twitter in the fuss that happened after the issue was released. Unfortunately though the related tweets have since been deleted (I assume he wasn't supposed to say anything because of some non-disclosure stuff).
So really we're left with the same status quo that we had at the end of 'Halo 4' - the Chief is still with the UNSC, and the Didact has suffered a setback that thus far has unknown consequences.
I do agree Blue Team's reunion could've been so much better. However, I really, really hope that this comic was just a primer for finally bringing Blue Team into the main games. I discussed earlier on this thread how it would almost be more difficult for the story to leave them out at this point, and now after these issues I think my point has only been strengthened. Though I suppose we'll still just have to wait and see...
So really we're left with the same status quo that we had at the end of 'Halo 4' - the Chief is still with the UNSC, and the Didact has suffered a setback that thus far has unknown consequences.
I do agree Blue Team's reunion could've been so much better. However, I really, really hope that this comic was just a primer for finally bringing Blue Team into the main games. I discussed earlier on this thread how it would almost be more difficult for the story to leave them out at this point, and now after these issues I think my point has only been strengthened. Though I suppose we'll still just have to wait and see...