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Halo |OT 21| Battle is the Great Redeemer | LIVE. DIE. RESPAWN.
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Fahzgoolin
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I'm not gonna lie, the reason why I honestly loved crouch jumping was because it was too obscure for the casual players to grasp or even think to try. Therefore I could exploit their ignorance constantly.
In reality, obscurity is never the best way to convey playing a game. A dedicated button/option to grab a ledge does make sense. The clamber option honestly probably isn't even the best way to make jumps unless you absolutely need it because you can't shoot during the animation.
I still prefer crouch jumping, but I understand why they are adding it from a design standpoint.
Came in to the series when Halo 3 was launched breh. Had plenty of "classic" Halo gaming online.
As for skill jumps that strictly require crouching, not that hard to pull off. Sure there are some that certainly take a bit of practice but that's not because crouch jumping is hard. Give me a list of jumps to make on a map and I can probably make them.
User 73706
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I'm pretty sure the last time I legitimately benefited from a crouch jump during map movement was speedrunning in Halo 2. I mean yes, it adds an additional layer of depth to movement, but let's not act like it's equivalent to pulling off quadshots and dancing around enemies making you untouchable here.
I've actually considered getting my handle changed back to Wahrer, but I really love the sub-zero thing now. I wish I ended up getting a "formerly Wahrer" tag, but I don't think I've done anything of enough substance under either handle for people to care.
I've actually considered getting my handle changed back to Wahrer, but I really love the sub-zero thing now. I wish I ended up getting a "formerly Wahrer" tag, but I don't think I've done anything of enough substance under either handle for people to care.
Crouch Jumping also do wonders in a 1 v 1 BR fight...
I'm pretty sure the last time I legitimately benefited from a crouch jump during map movement was speedrunning in Halo 2. I mean yes, it adds an additional layer of depth to movement, but let's not act like it's equivalent to pulling off quadshots and dancing around enemies making you untouchable here.
I've actually considered getting my handle changed back to Wahrer, but I really love the sub-zero thing now. I wish I ended up getting a "formerly Wahrer" tag, but I don't think I've done anything of enough substance under either handle for people to care.
I thought you were a Speedy alt.
TriStateTryHard
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There are easy ways to prevent things like that. Those Bungie tips that would pop up while you were searching for example.
"Hey, did you know that holding crouch at the peak of your jump gives you a slight boost in jump height?"
Same thing with new players not knowing where power weapons spawned or how often they spawned. All that info should be on the map loading screen.
Clamber doesn't mean we're not going to have any skill jumps anymore, they're just going to be different.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Hey guys i m gonna fail this skill jump, good thing I can clamber so I don't feel bad when I'm not punished for my mistake.
Find a skill jump which isn't easy to pull off even with clamber then?
Clamber doesn't mean there won't be skill jumps. It just means the skill jumps will be different. They'll be higher, they'll be longer, combine clamber with thruster pack and you're going to have skill jumps across entire maps.
TriStateTryHard
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If there is no skill based jumping mechanic, there can be no skill jumps.
Hold jump mid air to prepare to climb.
Found this while browsing some Halogaf history
I like this design a lot.
I enjoy doing it and I think it can function as the more "skilled" alternative. Though I think that some jumps really should require clamber to make. Ultimately I like the idea because I think it will increase map flow and add more verticality to the game.
The spoilerific one in particular is mah fav.
I like this design a lot.
I genuinely hope crouch jumping isn't out of the game.
I enjoy doing it and I think it can function as the more "skilled" alternative. Though I think that some jumps really should require clamber to make. Ultimately I like the idea because I think it will increase map flow and add more verticality to the game.
I love these.This is my same line of thinking. We're lucky we're even getting apologies.
Oh, so now you want my help.
Bonus: MAJOR ESCALATION SPOILERS SERIOUSLY THO
The spoilerific one in particular is mah fav.
How exactly is crouching in the air any different to holding jump in the air?
User 73706
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Enter The 36 Chambers
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Ryn, I misread your post about halo 2 my apologies.
My point about MCC stands though, you've no room to tell people how they should feel about shelling out for MCC and an Xbox when you don't even have the fucking thing. And no, watching streams doesn't count. You haven't even experienced the frustration the game causes. So of course your gonna say they don't owe us.
I've done my fair share of shitting on Halo 4. But going game to game gives a new perspective. 343 nailed the warthog imo. It's faster than the trilogy version I think. And it feels so much better to drive. I'm on requiem and the Warthog feels fantastic. Not crazy about the artstyle however.
My point about MCC stands though, you've no room to tell people how they should feel about shelling out for MCC and an Xbox when you don't even have the fucking thing. And no, watching streams doesn't count. You haven't even experienced the frustration the game causes. So of course your gonna say they don't owe us.
I've done my fair share of shitting on Halo 4. But going game to game gives a new perspective. 343 nailed the warthog imo. It's faster than the trilogy version I think. And it feels so much better to drive. I'm on requiem and the Warthog feels fantastic. Not crazy about the artstyle however.
TriStateTryHard
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Because if you don't time it correctly, you will fail the crouch jump.
Crouch jumping can not pull you up to a ledge that is at eye level with you.
Crouch jump can't save you when you accidentally back off a ledge like Prince of Persia rewinding time to nullify his mistake.
User 73706
Banned
It's a shame you ground-pound with crouch. I'd love to idle in that Stabilizer ability and air-teabag a ton before ground-pounding.
I appreciate it and I apologize if it sounds like I'm trying to tell people how they should feel. I'm not.
Just trying to help everyone see the big picture because while the game not working does suck, once it does, it's going to be fucking amazing.
I don't know if I've ever shit on a game more than I did with Halo 4. Warthog does feel great... sounds like I'm taking a power drill to my ears though.
I'm a Sonic the Hedgehog fan. I had to play through Sonic '06. Don't you tell me about frustration breh.
lol Sorry it got dragged out.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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There's gonna be so many accidental ground pounds first couple days
TriStateTryHard
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I wonder how Gandhi feels about his mark on the franchise being scrubbed away.
Computer
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Just another thing that will break the flow of the maps. Clamber, sprint, and booster are to damn much. They need to pick one and delete the rest. I can see adding a few new moment options but 6 new options is overkill.
Remember when Heckfu joked he was invited to test the turbo update?
and the Halo community got furious? And gandhi said "who the fuck is heckfu?"
Fahzgoolin
Banned
I understand that and I have benefited from doing the "Gandhi jump" as much as anyone else, however it is still an obscure way to play a game that is basically jumping, shooting, strafing, throwing grenades, and melees.
All of the things we really love (especially button combos) were what I would consider "happy accidents." Game designers/developers don't like them and don't want to replicate them, although we could make a really solid case for their inclusion.
I guess I have just thrown in the towel to ever get a game with on the surface simplicity, but with the depth and skill gap like Halo 1 and 2.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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How is it his mark?
Whichever mod is stopping greenskull getting an account is doing the Lords work.
Maybe we can convince 343 to change the button layout. Combo buttons to activate ground pound. Beli343
He is the designated community "ADS is fine" shill at this point.
TriStateTryHard
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Sprint and clamber and ADS would probably be awesome in an ODST 2 type of game.
User 73706
Banned
I hate button combos more than I hate SMG starts. There are far better ways to increase skill cap i.e. decreasing aim assist, increasing predictable recoil.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Greenshill
10/10. Would laugh again
Haha then sub zero, my sides
The Henery
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Fahzgoolin
Banned
Button combos, like BXB and BXR, were incredibly unique and showed how combos could increase skill gap and add an element of fun and self defense/offense options in an FPS. I get that some don't like it, but I think it could work in a lot of games, especially Halo with the shield system.
Welfare
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Guys, were you aware that only "notable" people get to join NeoGAF?
That's of course ignoring the fact that he's attempted to make accounts more than once, which should have him banned anyway.
Dustin's probably correct, though. I mean, Wahrer's still here somehow.
I am more "notable" than Greenskull?
Computer
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Nothing is better then being one shot and clutching a bxr on someone with full shield.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Edit: deleted
Out of all of those, boosters. I would be ok if that stayed.
NobleGundam
Banned
Prop maker guy created it using Prinz's concept and it looks soooooooo fucking good!Found this while browsing some Halogaf history
I like this design a lot.
I genuinely hope crouch jumping isn't out of the game.
I enjoy doing it and I think it can function as the more "skilled" alternative. Though I think that some jumps really should require clamber to make. Ultimately I like the idea because I think it will increase map flow and add more verticality to the game.
I love these.
The spoilerific one in particular is mah fav.
User 73706
Banned
Wait, holy crap, really? Link?
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Amen brother
Poker Face
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Guys, were you aware that only "notable" people get to join NeoGAF?
That's of course ignoring the fact that he's attempted to make accounts more than once, which should have him banned anyway.
Dustin's probably correct, though. I mean, Wahrer's still here somehow.
lmao
Most crouch jumps hardly require good timing.
And honestly my biggest issue with clamber is actually the hold to clamber option. I would much prefer if they removed that, there is a beta for a reason.
As for your second point, all that means is that the skill jumps are going to higher.
Also, if you're in a firefight and make a mistake like that you'll die anyway.
Also, crouch jumping confirmed?
http://teambeyond.net/forum/index.p...r-beta-reveal-discussion/page-159#entry339311
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