The Falcon is one of the best flying vehicles I've used in a game yet. It's awesome.
Prototype suit > all
Daaamn straight
Halo |OT 21| Battle is the Great Redeemer | LIVE. DIE. RESPAWN.
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You missed the point. It's more than just removing the rocket its creating a successor. Something that can be better suited for a more evolved Halo. I'm not saying I won't miss old faithful but I'm starting to trust 343 and their decisions after my experiences in the beta.
KidA Seven
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I don't see how the rocket isn't any more suited for a more evolved Halo than the AR, pistol, etc...
Anyone who thinks that 343i is going to remove sprint, ADS, or Spartan abilities is crazy. I doubt they're gonna add a classic scope option, either, because it's not a classic scope. It's not just a cosmetic thing, it's a new key gameplay mechanic.
343i seems pretty determined to move away from "old Halo." Which is a shame, because I feel like H2A is really into something and could be great with some tweaking and more content. Unfortunately, I think the damage of the bad launch and continuing problems will ultimately overshadow the game's potential. Not to mention the fact that Halo 5 is clearly the main focus and MCC appears to be a stopgap more than anything.
Not trying to be negative or anything, either - just the impression I have based on what we've seen.
343i seems pretty determined to move away from "old Halo." Which is a shame, because I feel like H2A is really into something and could be great with some tweaking and more content. Unfortunately, I think the damage of the bad launch and continuing problems will ultimately overshadow the game's potential. Not to mention the fact that Halo 5 is clearly the main focus and MCC appears to be a stopgap more than anything.
Not trying to be negative or anything, either - just the impression I have based on what we've seen.
Well I don't want to defend 343 too much but I would think that they wanted to introduce some new weapons without bloating the weapon count. They probably took a look at the rocket and thought they could make a weapon that's more dynamic then a point and shoot explosion gun.
HOLD LIKE THIS
TriStateTryHard
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Unnecessarily increase complexity for no good reason? Sounds like 343!
Fair enough. I agree that less is more. I've probably defended 343 to much today. Trust me I understand I've been playing Halo for probably too long. I guess I'm just getting to the point where I'm looking for something different in my Halo after all these years. I never thought I'd say that.
If Halo 5 turns out to be a BR start spawn trapping snapshot shooter again I'll probably just get bored. That Halo has been played like a broken record.
How many more 15 minute mlg sniper montages can we watch?
Poodlestrike
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Make poorly considered worst-case scenario assumptions? Sounds like TriState!
GringoSuave89
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How does Spartan Ops not have matchmaking? I'm not playing Destiny, I'm playing Halo!
RSB
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They know including the option to use the classic scope would please the old fans that absolutely cannot stand ADS in a Halo game. There are no downsides to its inclusion, it would be dumb not to have it. If you like ADS, you use ADS; if you like the classic scope, you use the classic scope. Win-win.
They will, of course, have ADS as default (just as the default control scheme will have zoom on LT) to please the modern shooter crowd and the dumb reviewers who would cry "OMG, why cant I ADS?!" if that wasn't the case.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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^Case in point, people just hate vehicles.
To say the Tank is only fair in games with like 32 players is to say the Rocket is only fair for 8v8. I disagree with that notion because you terribly underestimate the importance of the weapon sandbox with the dynamics of vehicle combat, let alone movement and situational awareness.
It's not new; it already exists in H2A. You scope in with the Carbine and the reticle decreases in size, which is exactly what people are asking for as an alternative to ADS. The H2A SMG already reduces spread too.
If 343 allows for traditional scopes without ADS, that would go a long way towards their image and having the community respect them. Halo fans (some of the most hardcore fans of any franchise who put insane amounts of hours into these games and equally as important, its commnities) have to beg and beg and beg and beg and make fools of themselves for years before any slight changes are seen, and that's not entitlement because let's not forget the context of which we're talking about here. No one's suggesting they add completely new features or something that would take years of development time, we're talking about just a circle on the screen like we've always had, perhaps even just removing the weapon from the screen if they don't want to design anything too different.
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I think it's important to note that 343 has the chance to change the dynamic between Halo devs and the Halo community, and they've been doing a great job so far with The Sprint series, so hopefully they keep that up. If they decide against classic zoom, people will forever hold that grudge because of how "simple" it seems to implement over a year away from launch. This may be entitlement, to ask for an explanation, but can you really blame them? It's a alternative that doesn't detract whatsoever from the ADS, LT aim crowd they're aiming to attract.
TriStateTryHard
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That's what I was wondering too. Like, why isn't there a SpOps MM playlist?
The Tank is a tough one Funknown. It can really dominate a map with a great team and you know I'm normally in favor of dominating gameplay but there needs to be a point where the other team get a shot. Just a shot at bringing the game back to a winnable state. What do you think they should do with the tank?
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Why can't traditional scopes only apply to weapons where they've always been? No one's asking for the classic zoom to replace the ADS on the Sword..
ADS and traditional scopes can coexist.
I remember your thoughts on even the CE Tank despite being able to easily shoot them right out of it, so idk mannnnnnn..... I think you hate vehicles too.
Halo 5 is going to be a great divide, I'm thinking. If you like infantry combat only and hate vehicles go to Arena and GTFO out of BTB. If you like vehicles, BTB will be your luvshack.
TriStateTryHard
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Vertical strike option.
TriStateTryHard
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Do you not think the AR was designed around two different behavior sets, hipfire and ads? Which behavior set do you make the AR function as without the ads mechanic?
Weapons in Halo have always had 2 sets of behavior if you think that a boost in accuracy is a different behavior.
The difference between ADS and Zoom from a functional standpoint is that now it isn't just reserved to precision weapons. What happens with automatics? It increases their range. What happens with Prophets Bane? It increases its range. It does not function any different from zoom which is why a toggle shouldn't be a problem to implement.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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But why can't the AR function exactly the same as it does with ADS if you use the classic zoom with it?
..or perhaps you share the belief that the AR should not have this added range in the first place, which is in fact a very different argument.
TriStateTryHard
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You are right. What was I thinking. Halo has always played this way.
Yeah it is very easy to kill a guy in a tank in CE. Unless they drive backwards and shove themself as far away from everyone as possible and rain down tank rounds across the map. Then they get a hold of the second tank and do the same thing with that. I've seen it before and I know you have to.
I love vehicles don't get me wrong. I'm surprised you really think I hate vehicles. Makes me a sad panda.
TriStateTryHard
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Weapons having defined niches and not being able to fill every role that every other weapon fills is a very different argument indeed.
Why do we just have an SMG and AR. Where is the machine pistol and the SAW? WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH OVERLAP YET.
Poodlestrike
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Okay, now I wonder if you're being sarcastic. Being able to shoot someone out of the tank (or rather, being able to be shot out of the tank) is part of the unsatisfying problem. Tanks should be: powerful, tough, and yes, fast (or at least responsive). Driving a tank should make you nigh-unkillable, barring lots of dedicated anti-vehicle weapons and vehicles, which 8 opposing players really just can't provide. So, they decide to forgoe all that, and make tanks really just big lumbering warthogs with a cannon instead of a chaingun.
The only way to have a proper tank, and give the opposing team a fighting chance, is to up the player count.
Oh, and I love vehicles. It's why I so badly want a proper tank.
NobleGundam
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Not to appear rude or anything. All I've seen so far of your posts is Balance talk 95% of the time and that's about it.
I hate to say this... but I prefer it this way, so I agree with this.
I have absolutely no issues with ADS in this game. I have no idea why. Seems like a balancing act, especially for the DMR.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Two things:
- CE vehicles are indestructable so the Halo 5 Tank should not be for obvious reasons.
- Tank as a power vehicle to fight over could be interesting instead of having one per team. Either way, new mobility options and increased effectiveness of the weapon sandbox could balance out a power vehicle sandbox.
Just face it, you hate vehicles. PROVE ME WRONG, HOW MANY KILLS DO YOU HAVE IN A GHOST or Wheelman assists do you have or or or something?! Cold hard data son, where's Karl? You vehicle hater you.
Your exaggerations are showing. The way I take is they increased the effective range of combat in Halo 5 across the board, so no longer are we playing a Halo game where it's just BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR Rocket/Sniper BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR
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Bruh, this ain't Battlefield.
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TriStateTryHard
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I'm exaggerating? I think you are lying to yourself if you think a Magnum, SMG, AR, BR, and DMR are all filling their own unique roles in the weapon sandbox.
Considering the rocket launcher is the only one with a funny/unique name, I'd disagree. Very iconic.
I doubt anyone outside of Halo fans see anything iconic about the AR either, or BR etc. That's the point, it's been iconic to fans since CE. The name, the look, the weapon shape etc.
Here is my friend's montage of pure Warthog gameplay. I'm in almost every clip.
Here's a link to my Medals in Reach - 850 Wheelman
Here's my Halo 3 page. Look at my picture... In fact look through my screenshots almost everyone is some picture of me in a vehicle.
Here's my Halo 3 medals - Over 2,000 Wheelman
Wish I had some Halo Ce/2 stats to show you but I think you get the point. Also, you'll probably notice my most played playlists were Objective, Squad Battle, and BTB. I love you FUNKNOWN, will you accept me once again as a defender of BTB?
FUNKNOWN iXi
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You put too much emphasis on to what extent they do. We're not going back to a Halo game with less than 10 weapons, so you're going to have some overlap.
Would you want to remove the DMR because it overlaps with the BR? I for damn sure would not want to use the burst fire BR all the time, so having another weapon to fulfill a separate niche that overlaps with another is fine by me. The problem is when they start adding too many of the same exact* weapons like in Halo 4, not because they have some weapons that overlap but still feel pretty different.
NOPE. I know you're a fellow BTB lover, but I THINK it's because you only like the larger player counts and killing others in vehicles.
lmfao <3
TriStateTryHard
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In Halo 5, what's the difference between a Magnum and a DMR?
Poodlestrike
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Not yet.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Ahem.
Backdash is going to be the go-to maneuver for crazy awesome montages, I can already tell.
Magnum: Starting precision weapon, allows you to score headshots at a decent range, and even win out against the BR and DMR at medium range.
SMG: Power Weapon Lite. Dominates at close range, can ADS to be an effective ambush weapon at medium range.
AR: Starting automatic. Can be used to control at close range (not against SMG or Shotty, tho), and with the ADS can work at medium range, even ping people out of scope at long range.
BR: Mid-range workhorse. Gets owned at close range vs. AR and SMG, but can attack from well beyond their effective ranges. 4sk means that it can outshoot the DMR at medium range, generally.
DMR: As the name suggests, more for long range combat, so it comes off a little samey relative to the BR on Truth and Empire, where the 3X scope is largely superfluous.
What else you got.
Range and rate of fire.
Wha? The magnum has no range, and is superior to the DMR in close range.
Cute
You act like a wall dude. I don't think I've ever seen you concede that you might be wrong
without copious amounts of sarcasm.
What "roles" have weapons had in previous games when precision weapons have dominated at almost every range anyway? Halo CE was the only Halo game with distinct "roles" for each weapon. Every game after that has been primarily a utility weapon battle with a power weapon on the side. Automatics in previous Halos didn't even dominate at CLOSE range. Halo 4 was a bit better about this but precision weapons still dominated.
Poodlestrike
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This is pretty much my position when people start talking about the Halo sandbox like it's inviolate. Half the weapons have been basically superfluous since CE.
Your avatar is from Top Gun. Nuff said.
Of course, because this is a futuristic shooter where it's hard to develop modern equivalents. Halo has a unique and smaller sandbox and weapons are iconic. They either move forward in games, or are removed. AR, BR, rocket launcher, sniper, energy sword, needler, plasma rifle, plasma pistol, etc. The weapons don't really change as much as you'd think through the iterations, 99% of the look remains the same. Halo 4 changed things like the shotgun a lot. You have to ask, why change it? For the sake of it?
The rocket is changing because of ADS, I'm sure.
These are different artists, I'm sure they want to put their own mark/spin on things.
I just don't care, personally.
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