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Let's put it this way: Halo 5 will be more "Halo" in 2015 than Halo 2 was to CE in 2004.
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That is still fair game, come on, you know this.
More like 25% but ok.
Sprint is now so nerfed that you don't want to use it if it isn't your only choice or you're running from spawn.
Which makes it obsolete and it should be removed.
Fahzgoolin
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I would agree, but with slide, clamber, and thrust it feels like it's worth keeping in. Even if it's just for the illusion of a faster game.
TriStateTryHard
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Why?
TriStateTryHard
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Sprint, ADS, and Clamber share the same design mentality as Perks: You can only be good at one thing at a time.
Poodlestrike
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But they differ from perks in that everyone has the same set of options, there's no bar-filling involved, and they actually require judgment and situation awareness to use most effectively.
GringoSuave89
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It is, but when I tried to find it in the Store, I had no entries. Go to HaloChannel.com on your Surface, and click the clinks to get the listing. Dunno why it isn't public, but it's there.
Surface 2 uses W8.1 and not RT, right? That's another factor.
Fahzgoolin
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It's my opinion obviously, but at this point the added Spartan abilities chained together creates a very satisfying and dare I say "skilful" game of movement. The Sprint seems quite balanced, but it feels great to run and jump and thrust to make a jump etc. Sprinting into a room and sliding/body checking is also really fun but punishing if you miss (which occured frequently).
I think sprint is a positive force now instead of primarily negative. At least it seemed to be in the beta.
Call me crazy.
TriStateTryHard
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And everyone has the option to pick whatever perk they want. Everyone has access to the same perks so it's still fair.
At some point in my life I took up drinking. I'm glad I did.
No it uses RT was hoping to still get the app though
ElzarTheBam
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Milkshakes?
Poodlestrike
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Except not everyone in any given match has the same set of perks.
Hm. You might want to return that; it's looking like MS is going to put RT out to pasture pretty soon.
GringoSuave89
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Well first off, perks are passive abilities, while ADS, sprint and (to an extent) clamber all require the player to "activate" them to use. So, no, they're not like Perks. At all.
Sorry man, RT is completely different from 8.1, so it won't have that app (or some of the niche ones)
TriStateTryHard
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Perks make Halo better because you have to access the situation then pick the appropriate perks for the situation at hand.
Poodlestrike
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I like how every time somebody points out how ridiculous your arguments are, you stop responding to them. It's cute and funny.
No, it's not.
Fahzgoolin
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GringoSuave89
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Again, no. Perks are set to a loadout, and there's no loadouts in 5. Analogy is once again not applicable.
There's really no point discussing with him. He ignores you as soon as you point out a flaw in his argument.
You're crazy.
Sprint still makes map movement worse because you can't be ready for gunfight and move fast at the same time. If you're sprinting to Carbine and enemy pops out, you're as good as dead (you might escape with thruster). If you're walking to Carbine like some old grandma, it takes too long.
TriStateTryHard
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Halo is about choosing what one specific area I want to currently perform well in. The skill in Halo comes from choosing when I need to sprint or when I need to ads or when I need to clamber. Active mobility perk! Activate stability perk! Activate acrobat perk!
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GringoSuave89
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I need that picture of Indigo from the Princess Bride, cause you keep saying perk, and I don't think that word means what you think it means.
ViewtifulJC
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isn't that how risk vs reward works
Fahzgoolin
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I disagree, but I see your point. It certainly requires a different style of play. From my 11 hours of playing I felt I got the hang of when to sprint and when not to. Never felt burdened when I wasn't sprinting.
Of course I was playing semi-pros and they don't run around like derps either.
TriStateTryHard
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Spartans were too OP in Classic Halo. A guy was running at full speed, firing at full accuracy, and performing a high jump...ALL AT THE SAME TIME! Sprint, ADS, and Clamber make Halo better because I have to tactically choose which area I want to perform well in.
GringoSuave89
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I'm like 80% you're a bot.
That kind of solves the issue don't you think?
Poodlestrike
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They could stand to up the base move speed (say, 110% or 120%), but at the same time picking and choosing when you need that speed boost creates an interesting balance.
This whole train of thought doesn't make a lick of sense.
ViewtifulJC
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are you
are you thinking about the things that come out of your mouth anymore or do you randomly spout HaloWaypoint posts in random order
Yes, but do we really want to add more risk to moving around the map aggressively?
No, not at all.
In previous Halo games you could move fast and be ready and then win 1v1 duel. In Halo 5 you have run away from that duel or move around the map slowly. It promotes passive gameplay.
TriStateTryHard
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In a game focused on players moving around the map? Of course we want to add risk to the most basic component of Halo gameplay.
Fahzgoolin
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I could stand for them to up the base movement speed a bit. However like you said, the dynamic of choice in regards to movement is certainly interesting and fun.
It's very new/different in that regard, but I'm not seeing that as primarily negative.
Play a match of Halo CE slayer, play a match of Halo 2 slayer, play a match of Halo 3 slayer, play a match of Halo 2 Anniversary slayer. Then play a match of Reach slayer, a match of Halo 4 slayer, and a match of Halo 5 slayer. Pretty certain the 4 former games will play closer to each other than the latter 3.
I think aside from small changes in movement speed, fall damage, health/shields post CE, and different weapons, vehicles, maps, the biggest changes are things like dual wielding, vehicle boarding/destruction, and equipment for games CE/2/3.
I get what you're saying though.
Edit: the other shoe hasn't dropped yet. We've only been shown arena game play. We still haven't been shown their massive changes to BTB or whether they're brining non-Arena/Infinity back. These 3 weeks aren't necessarily going to be indicative of the final game at all.
Welfare
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Was picking on how you expressed it lol.
I agree though, it was a bit much in Reach. Some maps were awesome though. I don't mind a few outstanding ones.
Got you. I just did not like how crappily made they were in Reach *cough*Asylum*cough*
That's my problem with a lot of the arguments against sprint. I can see the effects and I agree that those effects are there. I've yet to see a post which eloquently explains why those effects are inherently negative though. Beyond being different to classic Halo.
TriStateTryHard
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It's not fair that players can move at full speed and still fire their weapon accurately. Classic Halo was broken.
NobleGundam
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Good post.
Poodlestrike
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Sprint is going faster than full speed, though.
TriStateTryHard
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You are giving me 110%.
Poodlestrike
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RSB
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Run and gun >>>>> Run or gun
It really sucks that pretty much every console shooter is a "run or gun" shooter now. But hey, "it is expected", so sprint has got to be there, obviously. Who cares about diversity, right? Yay, homogenization!
TriStateTryHard
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It's stupid that I can't go prone in Halo. I should be able to trade my mobility for increased accuracy.
Poodlestrike
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Fahzgoolin
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And sprint while your prone.
ViewtifulJC
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oh so you are just saying random things now, especially after your secondary fire whining went nowhere and you had to change tactics
gg
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