Didn't Reach do this? Didn't crouching increase your accuracy?
If you look back at his other rants on HaloGAF you'll see this happens every single time.
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If you look back at his other rants on HaloGAF you'll see this happens every single time.
TriStateTryHard
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No, no. Halo is about trade offs. Sprinting while prone would allow the player to move fast and fire accurately. That's just not Halo.
RSB
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What are you talking about? I've already played two Halo games with sprint (Reach and Halo 4) And no, with sprint you can't do both at the same time, so it's definetly "run or gun"It's still very much run and gun. Mastering your movement options is critical to coming out on top in fire fights.
Which you'd know if you'd played it
Welfare
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How long were you on Waypoint? We need to cleanse you.
TriStateTryHard
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Poodlestrike
Banned
TriStateTryHard
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I have some ideas about a Tornado Gun and a Soul Switcher.
Yes.
If you crouch in 85% bloom games you functionally are firing a near-zero bloom DMR due to the faster reticule reset.
And the NR...
yeah.
Welfare
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TriStateTryHard
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I don't understand all the hate for Armor Lock. Halo is all about trade offs and Armor Lock is the ultimate trade off.
I thought so... I never liked that at all.
Reach was definitely the worst Halo for me. Bloom just sucked so much.
Jellycrackers
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Standard operating procedure.
I always post the same stuff too, but I'm just trying to have honest discussion regarding Halo and it's future. Sprint is a foreign mechanic to Halo. It hasn't worked in two games, and it's had to be gimped to try and be usable in Halo 5 and I feel it's still detrimental.
Primarily is still used to traverse over the match much faster than should be allowed, coupled with thruster is still used to evade firefights creating cat and mouse game play, has now become unlimited. What has the nerf done asides from making players run away further than before and hide? It played virtually identical to Halo 4. Whereas they'd turn and run and hide and wait for shield to recharge, they now turn and run and hide a bit further and wait a bit longer for white nerf bar to go down before shields recharge. Coupled with thruster or things like the prophet's bane, sprint just doesn't work. I don't know why people feel it's needed, especially if they can increase base movement and strafe speed to compensate. You don't play CE in MCC wishing you could sprint do you?
Primarily is still used to traverse over the match much faster than should be allowed, coupled with thruster is still used to evade firefights creating cat and mouse game play, has now become unlimited. What has the nerf done asides from making players run away further than before and hide? It played virtually identical to Halo 4. Whereas they'd turn and run and hide and wait for shield to recharge, they now turn and run and hide a bit further and wait a bit longer for white nerf bar to go down before shields recharge. Coupled with thruster or things like the prophet's bane, sprint just doesn't work. I don't know why people feel it's needed, especially if they can increase base movement and strafe speed to compensate. You don't play CE in MCC wishing you could sprint do you?
The execution of the idea was broken, despite the intended tradeoffs.
It should have been removed from Reach, like the broken equipment was removed from Halo 3. And that was slowly happening, until the TU.
Welp.
TriStateTryHard
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DMR bloom forced the player to choose between rate of fire and accuracy. Since Halo is all about trade offs, I don't understand why so many people didn't like it. It provided the player with meaningful choices.
ViewtifulJC
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IDK, he's gone from hyperbolic comments with no basis in reality to complaints that could be leveled at various other Halo sequels to a really nonsensical streak of posts about perks that left everyone scrathing their heads...now I think he's just malfunctioning and saying random slippery slope Bungie.net forum talking points
someone run the AntiVirus software
RSB
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Well, in games like COD and Destiny, with its ridiculous accuracy penalties for everything, the "run or gun" nature of the gameplay is even more pronounced. But yeah, post-sprint Halo is still a "run or gun" type of shooter.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
You must be a very lonely and frustrated little boy that finds solace in his insecurities and lack of communication skills by saying ridiculous things and chuckling to yourself.
You are certainly good at amusing yourself.
Welfare
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Movement vs Shooting.
Sprint vs No Sprint.
Basically you are either moving, or you are shooting. No mixing.
What exactly is wrong with cat and mouse gameplay?
Some of my favourite moments in 5's beta was realizing I was fucked and utilizing the new movement options and my knowledge of the map to escape. It was exhilarating. Some ridiculously tense moments happened towards the end of a game where I just managed to escape death.
I also really enjoyed chasing people. Seeing where they were going and using a shortcut to cut them off and finish them was really exciting and fun.
Some of my favourite moments in 5's beta was realizing I was fucked and utilizing the new movement options and my knowledge of the map to escape. It was exhilarating. Some ridiculously tense moments happened towards the end of a game where I just managed to escape death.
I also really enjoyed chasing people. Seeing where they were going and using a shortcut to cut them off and finish them was really exciting and fun.
TriStateTryHard
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Run and Gun = players can simultaneously move at max speed AND fire at max accuracy
Of course. DMR was introduced in a game that had no BR. It became the de facto utility weapon in Reach the way the pistol was in CE, BR in Halo 2 etc. But the biggest problem was how it was implemented. They gave you a precision mini-sniper in a game that allowed you things like flight and invisibility, plus Reach at that time technically had the slowest movement and strafe speed. In Halo 4, it was clearly superior to the BR because of it's devastating range and high aim assist. Is the DMR really needed in the Halo sandbox anymore than the boltshot is?
My idea of making it comparable to the BR is so you wouldn't have to hamper it with an obnoxious scope, but could implement it in a way, that you could have an accurate single shot rifle that wouldn't break the game. So that DMR starts could be a thing again, without matches turning into long range ping-fests. Though obviously people are happy with it as an on-map pickup so the point is moot, but balancing it this way is preferable to the scope in my opinion.
Yeah, but who wants that?
TriStateTryHard
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No one that wants to make meaningful choices.
VisceralBowl
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So MCC won't finish downloading the update. It says "We need the disc to finish." I have the digital version.
What do I do?
What do I do?
There was a new update/patch today?
There's a new update?
Have you tried force shutdown by holding down the power button on the console?
VisceralBowl
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I haven't turned my xbox on in like 6 days. No idea.
Yes, first thing I did.
TriStateTryHard
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Active Camo was better as an Armor Ability than as a Power Up. As an AA, the player had to make a meaningful choice on when to activate it AND it had the trade off of causing multiple dots to appear on radar. People just don't like change.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
I think it's time for everyone to ignore TriStateTryHard.
As much as I dislike sprint in Halo, I understand why it has to be in. Could 343 go the classic route and still be successful? It's entirely possible. Just look at the praise H2A received. Will 343 take that chance though? Hell fucking no they won't. Game developers are rarely polarizing these days. They would much rather try to please everybody instead of stay loyal to the core "competitive" fanbase. They don't wanna take that chance and I can understand that. They're trying to find that sweet spot in-between it all. With that said, I'm looking forward to playing the beta.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I've been considering it, but unless everybody does it the number of people quoting him is going to make it pointless.
Yep. Ignored him a month ago and I still see everybody quoting him and responding to his baits.
Whenever I see a post from someone I have ignored I read it anyway. It's like morbid curiosity.
TriStateTryHard
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What's up with Gravity Lifts? Players can get the high ground and they don't even have to lower their weapon? That's no trade off at all. Halo should modernize and switch to military style ladders where you have to holster your weapon to climb. Then players would have the opportunity to make more meaningful choices.
ElzarTheBam
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Poodlestrike
Banned
Yeah, I'm done.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
You can't. I had to switch to the desktop version.
TriStateTryHard
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If I have to lower my weapon just to run at full speed, I should definitely have to lower my weapon if I want to get a free elevator ride up to the advantageous high ground. Do you disagree? Why?
GringoSuave89
Banned
I though shit like that was bannable?
Should have been more specific.
Can you tell me what games are run and gun shooters excluding Halo? That's not a term I ever used to describe it.
And you guys are giving too much credit to H2A. Barring the AR is the only noticeable change I can think of, anything that implemented changes introduced in Reach/4 and it's not H2 or H2A anymore.
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