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Halo |OT 23| Thruster is Love, Thruster is Life
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Cmon, as upset as we all are, that's a bit of a reach saying they deliberately mislead anyone. I do think that a lot of problems that presented themselves before launch were probably not given the due diligence they needed, but to say they deliberately released the game as is, or knew it would be like this is just not true. If anything, this has done them irreparable harm not only financially but from a series viability.
The reason Dan Ayoub probably hasn't spoken much is because he will singlehandedly be held responsible, much like he's singled out in your post. What could he say? As a studio, there was probably a moratorium on any kind of statements aside from waypoint or the community managers, especially when people are getting abuse on everything, twitter, forums etc. Even Frank said he was even getting death threats.
Even then, we're entitled to each feel how you want, and you're free to say what you want, but just keep in mind that these are people just like us, personal insults do nothing, even if you feel it allows you to channel anger. Be upset at the company sure, even be upset at the senior staff, but at their actions, not at their personal character no?
No fun allowed till MCC is fixed. But yeah, would be cool to start teasing stuff again.
Shutup scrub.
Is mobileGAF messed up for anyone else? I need to refresh my Internet to see posts for some reason, as the refresh at bottom of the page causes me to see posts as new but when I reply, it's actually been 20+ minutes since that post was made or others have posted. Maybe I need a better phone now.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
lol biggy, I was waiting for that what.
Frank talks to crazies* more than he talks to us. Pls respond and give me attention.
Frank talks to crazies* more than he talks to us. Pls respond and give me attention.
I agree that "personal vendetta" was not the correct choice of words there. Thanks for responding. I look forwards to the explanation once it's all fixed, there's not much else to say. I've stated my disappointment and I know I'm not alone in thinking this, unlike this forum suggests.
Regret Upon Approval
Member
Niiice.
So, the Beta is nearing the end. How are you guys feeling about it? Feel like you got a lot of feedback and an idea for where to go?
Yeah, I want a Beta breakdown.
Stats, overview of people's feedback, don't need specify what will change though.
BuggeryBugz
Member
Haha! Brilliant!
Two questions:
How come Halo 5 Beta matchmaking is so smooth. Halo MCC is sometimes just as quick, but the speed varies. Different network/matchmaking code or something?
Second question, the X1 bumpers. Am I the only one that finds them somewhat unresponsive or uncomfortable to use?
How come Halo 5 Beta matchmaking is so smooth. Halo MCC is sometimes just as quick, but the speed varies. Different network/matchmaking code or something?
Second question, the X1 bumpers. Am I the only one that finds them somewhat unresponsive or uncomfortable to use?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
Frankie, you gonna submit a clip for the HaloGAF community montage? Make it a 10 second clip on a yet to be seen map, just for laughs.
Gnome Scat
Member
No one mislead you nor thousands of people into buying this game, it's not like the slogan was "The Master Chief Collection - Where Nothing Can Possibly Go Wrong." I doubt 343i's intention was to become some sort of martyr for Xbox One sales by making a somewhat dysfunctional game that would attract old Halo fans to purchase the new console. I think you're looking for the word "disappointed." They provided a product that you wanted that didn't meet your expectations. The same thing happened to me with Destiny, I was looking forward to the game so much that I bought an Xbox One just to play it in the best way possible. Turns out the game was incredibly disappointing, but I didn't attack Bungie with false allegations because of those feelings. Anyways, mistakes happen, especially when porting 4 games - all with multiplayer - onto a new console on one disk.
Onyx and above. Onyx is top 15 percent of all players, semi-pro is top 2% and and Pro is top 200 of semi-pro players. Those are what I would consider the Brigadiers and Generals.
I don't like the tier system as much, and the fact that they purposely hide the exact tier from public view so as to not make it such a contest. I believe Josh has said a Gold 3 and Onyx 1 are more close together in rank than a Gold 1 and Gold 3.
But that's just me, if you're gold 3 or above, you're considered good, especially if you also play with randoms or don't get backpacked up as much.
Gnome Scat
Member
I never knew it even went up to pro. Kind of glad I haven't found out seeing how good those semi-pro players are.
Totally different matchmaking code. And further, MCC's is trying to tie four different MM methods together.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
LTTP, time differences suck on forums.
I agree with everything you said here mate.
YING
YANG
One point about map size that seems to be commented on regarding sprint e.g. big map sizes...IMO none of the H5 beta maps are larger than say The Pit or Narrows or Sanctuary or Colossus. Compared to the beta maps these all seem fairly close in size. I really feel like the beta sandbox, movement (sprint+more) and map design has been carefully designed and iterated to play so well.
Honestly I'm surprised you (and others posting here) aren't liking the beta and feel it's not Halo. I genuinely want you to enjoy your Halo but I guess there's some bridges that are hard to cross for all.
On a less serious note my son (5.5 years old) has been playing through CE, 2 & now 3 on easy when my misses says hurry up son and move along during a tense encounter. He answers with "I can't run mum, I can only walk so fast". I couldn't stop laughing. Then he played H4 for the first mission and he's loving sprint...
I truly hope MCC resurrects itself and dedis are so good to the franchise and games of old that word of mouth brings long time Halo fans back to the fold. Hopefully the launch damage isn't so out of control as to turn away players. Halo has always had the ability to get players back or have them return for some games with mates. The framework 343i have laid down with the Halo Channel, HCS, the new website and the beta is all really positive stuff. It's a damned shame MCC/X1 royally shagged the matchmaking systems. It was aligning all the puzzle pieces greatly building up to launch. A raised glass the X1 platform and H5 are far more mature and launch smoothly later this year.
1. Individual skills, gunplay, movement, awareness and a good sense of fight or flight.
2. Team skills, communication and following the flow of the game.
3. Luck of the Internet gods for a good connection most games with minimal latency.
4. A regular party of friends or the luck of the matchmaking systems.
5. Time of day you play.
I agree with everything you said here mate.
YING
YANG
One point about map size that seems to be commented on regarding sprint e.g. big map sizes...IMO none of the H5 beta maps are larger than say The Pit or Narrows or Sanctuary or Colossus. Compared to the beta maps these all seem fairly close in size. I really feel like the beta sandbox, movement (sprint+more) and map design has been carefully designed and iterated to play so well.
Honestly I'm surprised you (and others posting here) aren't liking the beta and feel it's not Halo. I genuinely want you to enjoy your Halo but I guess there's some bridges that are hard to cross for all.
On a less serious note my son (5.5 years old) has been playing through CE, 2 & now 3 on easy when my misses says hurry up son and move along during a tense encounter. He answers with "I can't run mum, I can only walk so fast". I couldn't stop laughing. Then he played H4 for the first mission and he's loving sprint...
to get away and recharge his shields
I truly hope MCC resurrects itself and dedis are so good to the franchise and games of old that word of mouth brings long time Halo fans back to the fold. Hopefully the launch damage isn't so out of control as to turn away players. Halo has always had the ability to get players back or have them return for some games with mates. The framework 343i have laid down with the Halo Channel, HCS, the new website and the beta is all really positive stuff. It's a damned shame MCC/X1 royally shagged the matchmaking systems. It was aligning all the puzzle pieces greatly building up to launch. A raised glass the X1 platform and H5 are far more mature and launch smoothly later this year.
1. Individual skills, gunplay, movement, awareness and a good sense of fight or flight.
2. Team skills, communication and following the flow of the game.
3. Luck of the Internet gods for a good connection most games with minimal latency.
4. A regular party of friends or the luck of the matchmaking systems.
5. Time of day you play.
Digital Limit
Member
Of course Onyx 1 is closer to Gold 3 than Gold 3 is to Gold 1. I'm not sure why that should be surprising.
Iron 1, 2, 3
Bronze 1, 2, 3
Silver 1, 2, 3
Gold 1, 2, 3
Onyx 1, 2, 3
Semi-pro 1, 2, 3
It's essentially 18 ranks. Gold 1 is 10, Gold 3 is 12 and Onyx 1 is 13.
Right wrong or otherwise, it got a response from Frank- when responses from anyone regarding the MCC are so few and far between, many of us begin to wonder if it's just swept under the rug and they're done devoting resources to it. That is my single biggest fear. I'm just as disappointed as anyone, probably moreso than most in this forum as it was enough to make me swear off the beta- but the truth is I'd be willing to wait 6 months or longer to have the MCC work as advertised, seeing as how we waited over ten years to have functional CE online among any other things. I don't like to see any personal attacks or discussions devolve beyond civility, but at least now we know that, despite Bonnie's last announcement that seemed to imply everything was roses as of the 19th and here's our consolation prize, they know the game is still a mess and are devoting resources to fix it. I'm extremely happy to hear it and could use to keep hearing it after weeks of silence.
Walshy made Pro in all 3 playlists as well. I'd be shocked if any non real life pro makes Pro rank when the actual game launches. Will be curious to see if guys like Tawp, Biggy, Ram can maintain semi-pro when the full game launches. This would mean they're better then 98% or more of all the Halo players in the world.
Ah, okay. Thanks for the quick reply.
Gnome Scat
Member
Walshy made Pro in all 3 playlists as well. I'd be shocked if any non real life pro makes Pro rank when the actual game launches. Will be curious to see if guys like Tawp, Biggy, Ram can maintain semi-pro when the full game launches. This would mean they're better then 98% or more of all the Halo players in the world.
Damn, I wish I was that good. Although I'd probably be higher if I weren't paired with AFK's and early quitters in about 3 of the 5 games I lose.
It is a case of expectations not meeting reality. But not because I inflated my own expectations, rather certain features that were advertised and promised are still not present in the game. Not to mention I can barely get a game that starts with even teams, in respect to number of players on each team and skill levels of each team. Yes it was an ambitious project but that alone does not excuse the current state. People bought the game expecting that advertised features would be present - they are not.
The bumpers are arguably the complained-about thing with the XB1 controller.
User 73706
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Never said it was surprising, just that people are visually ranking each other, and so when a gold 3 and Onyx 1 are closer to each other in skill than a gold 1 and Gold 3, why aren't the former put together in a visual rank than the latter etc.
Also, semi-pro and Pro don't have tiers 1,2,3 but a number from 1500-2100. I believe from about/around 2000 onwards makes you Pro.
But they never said it was roses. Even the last update on waypoint acknowledged that more needed to be done and to have it fixed. Believe me, launch week crushed me and I'm now kind of in a state of apathy over Halo and MCC, but even still, personal attacks or insults should never be used even if the goal is to elicit a response. Plus, the big issue is expecting to be answered here, as a given, rather than a surprise. Frank posts here as a GAF'er, as does David, and hopefully Josh. They can explain things clearer, but shouldn't be expected to. Some people a little while back would even keep track of where Frank posted and then be upset that he isn't posting here etc.
Double post but I agree. I could never be that good. It's just impossible. It's why Pros of one shooter, inevitably do well on others as well. Guys like Walshy have been consistently good at every Halo game. That's something you either have or don't have. That patience, the ability to learn the mechanics and use them quickly.
Cow and Chicken?
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I imagine some people may see the reverse of this similar to
Any deadline window you're considering? Haven't had time to go through my clips.Frankie, you gonna submit a clip for the HaloGAF community montage? Make it a 10 second clip on a yet to be seen map, just for laughs.
EDIT:
Rugrats lol
But for some folks (including myself) we're talking about an almost $500 investment. Say what you will about buying a console for one game, but some people did. There have been times when I've seen Frank post about some off the wall thing, even in the Halo forums, and wish he'd tell us more about why and when can we hope for some progress. And yes I know Waypoint says there's more coming- but what they don't say is "we're aware that party functionality is almost totally broken after the last patch and that specifically will be adressed in the next however many weeks". The lack of specifics as they apply to the most glaring issues is a huge part of the frustration.
In any case, I'll continue to hope for the best.
They don't tell you "parties will be fixed in X amount of days/weeks" because they don't want to face the backlash if they can't meet those self imposed goals. If they knew exactly when everything would be fixed, they'd tell you. The MCC is a disaster, but lets use a little common sense on why they're not giving daily updates and time tables for when everything will work perfectly.
Digital Limit
Member
Orion is too bright, I take it back. Video games shouldn't be blinding.
Same investment for me, even though I used sales and discounts to my advantage. I'm still in for the console, an extra year of live, MCC, a play and charge, kit, stereo headset.
I don't even play other games much, I spend most of my time just about Halo here. I'm just as invested in the series future. And it sucks, but it still wouldn't excuse me to go and start insulting people. You should see some of the stuff they got directed to them on Twitter etc.
I'm kind of ambivalent to it getting fixed now. Makes no real difference to me. The people I wanted to play with have moved on, a few got refunds. Halo 5 turned out to be better than people expected so come November, most will be on that game. MCC will just be one of those asterisk style games that never got a chance.
I don't even play other games much, I spend most of my time just about Halo here. I'm just as invested in the series future. And it sucks, but it still wouldn't excuse me to go and start insulting people. You should see some of the stuff they got directed to them on Twitter etc.
I'm kind of ambivalent to it getting fixed now. Makes no real difference to me. The people I wanted to play with have moved on, a few got refunds. Halo 5 turned out to be better than people expected so come November, most will be on that game. MCC will just be one of those asterisk style games that never got a chance.
To be fair, your disappointment (if that's the right word) would be even more justified with Destiny given that Bungie actually did lie about what that game would be.
Though what you, Frankie and Fahz are saying still rings true. Personal vendettas or attacks against people over a game is never justified. No matter how close to your heart that game may be.
I always thought that was just a friendly joke.
Were people actually getting mad about that?
By Okey Dokey Jones hat I thought I had that one.
Bobdammit.
damn ram...
That's hard to look at
SO good with a team. It's such a surprise hit for me. Def. best when you can coordinate with 3-4 other players.
That's hard to look at
SO good with a team. It's such a surprise hit for me. Def. best when you can coordinate with 3-4 other players.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Finally got to try stronghold. Not a fan when rolling solo. At all. So far I only like slayer.
funny, as a primarily solo player, i greatly prefer strongholds. at least in that mode i can usually count on where my teammates will be and what they should be doing. i'll still have an occasional head scratching game with absolutely clueless teammates, but for the most part they know to stay near the strong holds.
Gnome Scat
Member
Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. So I guess Destiny is a good example of being misled and MCC is a good example of being let down.
Watching that GDC 2013 video hurts the feels center of the brain.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I had one on regret and I don't know where the fuck my team was. It sure as shit wasn't pushing the points.
Damn, how many folks from here are actually semi-pro or higher? This is actually great because it's been a long time since we can rank ourselves based on skill. I really am garbage compared to you guys.
Also, remember the game you posted a day or two ago where Ram went 1-15 lol.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I've done that twice in the beta. I was thoroughly outplayed in both, no shame.