Forerunner
Member
So what exactly are we getting at launch?
Arena
Breakout?
Warzone
Warzone attack and defend
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Arena
Breakout?
Warzone
Warzone attack and defend
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Halo |OT 24| In Before the Locke
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Again, I'm not trying to be too negative, but honestly I just want a full featured game without hearing adding shortly after launch. I don't think it would be as big an issue if it wasn't for MCC especially which went from Soon to almost 5-6 months post launch. Just wary of anything coming post launch. Hopefully it's not an afterthought with only Forge maps for BTB etc.
VincentMatts
Member
Honestly, i had no idea this was even happening. Theyre releasing stuff after launch?? I might just skip on it then until everything is released. Thats disappointing.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think those two gametypes will be combined into one Warzone playlist. Something like:
-4v4 Arena Team Slayer
-4v4 Arena Team Objective
-Breakout
-Warzone
-Casual unranked "social" 4v4 mix of Slayer/Objective
-BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND 4v4 Team SWAT
-Funny Talking Hat Rotating Playlist of the Week!!!
then on some Splatoon shit, they'll add BTB in a couple months/"more details soon"
Can someone explain the whole "eggheads" thing to me? Is it just that the dialogue was so bad that it's become infamous and constantly referenced around here, or is there more to it?
While we're at it, can someone explain the whole "B O Y S" and other spaced letters thing to me?
I'll hold back my opinions on the lack of BTB and Warzone being pay-to-win in a full price title. Salty, dwells hates everything, etc.
While we're at it, can someone explain the whole "B O Y S" and other spaced letters thing to me?
I'll hold back my opinions on the lack of BTB and Warzone being pay-to-win in a full price title. Salty, dwells hates everything, etc.
The game is launching with 20+ maps and then they're releasing 15 new ones for free by June the next year I think.
Lots of nerds were insulted when Palmer started calling the Scientist nerds in Sp Ops Eggheads. Hence angry, sweaty, nerd rage turned into mocking the incredible writing present in Spartan Ops because they couldn't handle a powerful woman figure calling scientists eggheads.
Bad writing which was used far too often, hence the mocking
I'll be honest, I don't think anyone knows what it means anymore. HaloGAF scholars maintain that the meaning was lost hundreds of years ago.
VincentMatts
Member
Maps fine, but modes and stuff? Or did i misunderstand?
I think this one has its roots in twitch chat.
EDIT: I was close: http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2m4rx0/what_is_w_e_l_o_s_t_b_o_y_s_from/
Every Halo game since Reach has shipped new modes after launch, so... safe assumption there
LastChance2Frag
Neo Member
So is Warzone replacing Firefight?
If this Attack/Defend Warzone is a thing could we get a PVE version of that too..
If this Attack/Defend Warzone is a thing could we get a PVE version of that too..
MrGreencastle
Member
Ok so there's 20 maps. Let me take a guess at this:
5 Arena maps + 5 Arena-"Alt maps" = 10 maps for Arena multiplayer
5 Breakout maps
5-6 Warzone maps
Brings total to 20-21. HOPEFULLY that doesn't count the Forge maps. If so Arena could have even more.
BtB launches some 3-6 months later with 4-5 BTB sized maps and BTB game modes.
Then 2-3 Warzone maps dropped along the way, 2-3 Breakout maps, and 2-3 Arena maps with "alts" so "6" Arena maps.
That makes ~16 maps added by June 2016.
I bet it'll go something like that. Again, HOPEFULLY, Forge maps are not counted and there's some plan for that, too.
Ideally, they would do one new map bi-weekly, with a Forge map added in the "off" week.
There's 31 weeks between Oct 27 launch and June 2016. That leave room for real map, forge map, real map, forge map, real map, forge map, etc. releasing 1 per week until June.
...Or they could just release them in packs every month or two. Who knows...
SmartWaffles
Member
They need to consolidate the playlists in 5 as well.
Arena Slayer
Arena Objective
Breakout
BTB (merge Slayer and Objective but splitting works too)
Warzone
maybe add Harcore? (no Spartan Ability etc but can't see it happening)
One or two rotating "featured" playlists (Oddball, Doubles etc)
Also is it just me feeling Warzone is likely to be unranked? Ofc the rest modes definitely need to be ranked at launch.
Arena Slayer
Arena Objective
Breakout
BTB (merge Slayer and Objective but splitting works too)
Warzone
maybe add Harcore? (no Spartan Ability etc but can't see it happening)
One or two rotating "featured" playlists (Oddball, Doubles etc)
Also is it just me feeling Warzone is likely to be unranked? Ofc the rest modes definitely need to be ranked at launch.
Fata1moose
Banned
Breakout doesn't seem like it needs so many maps, it's literally one gametype. They are better off making more arena maps. I certainly hope Breakout maps don't count towards many of the "Over 20 maps" count.
6v6 in Halo 3 was some of the most intense and balanced matches I've ever had in any Halo title. Still miss it.
VincentMatts
Member
Its pretty much guaranteed for me that in those 20 maps, some will be forged maps which is why that announcement did nothing for me. I hope im wrong.
You'd have to merge it I don't think there's ever going to be a large enough population to support a pure objective BTB playlist along side a standard BTB playlist.
link1201
Member
I dunno this seems like two things will be added after launch the mode and the maps.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Still they are essentially shipping an incomplete feature set.
Which is sad for those that like the missing features.
Which is sad for those that like the missing features.
wesleyshark
Banned
Who needs BTB when you have true BTB: Warzone?
Fata1moose
Banned
Replace "Semi-broken" with "incomplete" they're both bad trends.
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CHtcNq4UsAAt_SM.mp4
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CHtcNq4UsAAt_SM.mp4
You can't be serious.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
He also said Halo 4 was the best one, so I think he's joking
Computer
Member
Why cant BTB and Warzone maps be the same? Just keep BTB at 12 vs12 add static weapons and spawns. Remove the AI and you have BTB. With Arena, Breakout, BTB, and Warzone, Why dose every game mode and to have a certain amount of maps dedicated to it? 20 maps will not go very far this way. It is getting a little out of hand.
Because the maps are 4 times the size of regular BTB maps and they would be pretty empty, even in 12v12.
without having played it i'll go out on a limb and say me.
As long as it's not in arena that's fine with me
but uh that is a thing you can do (at a certain point in each match), it would seem
Computer
Member
Would not be difficult to block off a few areas.
wesleyshark
Banned
I love BTB but Warzone is like the Ultimate BTB. I'm so jazzed.
That would probably produce a really shitty BTB playlist though, it'd all Warzone slices, they don't tend to work very well.
I think they're going to bring BTB in with the first free map pack.
You've seen the gameplay?
It is nothing like the B roll. BTB objective is great because the maps are a good size and people are funneled into key areas. You'd think Warzone would be similar but in all the gameplays ive seen you barely come across enemy players
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Careful. You will be hated for having an opinion that is not their own.
Honestly as cool and fun Warzone looks I will still crave "real" BTB where everyone spawns with the same gun and there aren't 3 Mantis roaming around. Capture the flag BTB is hotness and can't be replicated with Warzone in the slightest.
wesleyshark
Banned
And...thats...bad? It's a Mish Mash. A... Warzone. It's supposed to be random and unpredictable.
Oh I know. I'm aware that being a fan of what 343 is doing means that you also hate "true Halo".
Honestly I'm stoked for BTB and Warzone equally. BTB and Swat have always been my two favorite game types, and it looks like Warzone will be right up there. I love quick and/or chaotic matches. Warzone looks to be an all encompassing game type.
More like something that's rather unproven.
Have you only watched the IGN gameplay?
There's been a bunch of videos from better players which look fantastic.
Biggest issues with Warzone for me, with BTB being delayed is they're literally forcing me to play this P2W, AI mode if I want something bigger than 4v4 Arena. I have to use requisition cards lest I get my ass handed to me, I have to play this refinement of infinity where all manners of vehicles and weapons are on the field. And who knows for how long.
It's fine when it's a separate optional mode, quite another when it's the only mode. Especially if what you want is vehicular action, which I doubt there would be for any 4v4 maps. Oh well. I hope they have solid time management and cap this artificial delay of BTB to a month or less. 2-4 weeks should be enough time to get people into their mode. Anymore and you risk turning people off. Why play Warzone when you can just as easily move on to Battlefront then.
Edit: Stay positive Madness. It'll all be alright. This all means nothing in grand scheme
It's fine when it's a separate optional mode, quite another when it's the only mode. Especially if what you want is vehicular action, which I doubt there would be for any 4v4 maps. Oh well. I hope they have solid time management and cap this artificial delay of BTB to a month or less. 2-4 weeks should be enough time to get people into their mode. Anymore and you risk turning people off. Why play Warzone when you can just as easily move on to Battlefront then.
Edit: Stay positive Madness. It'll all be alright. This all means nothing in grand scheme
wesleyshark
Banned
The IGN footage was awful (as expected from IGN). It was like watching my grandma play a FPS lol. The other footage from other groups was infinitely better. The gametype looks massive amounts of chaotic fun.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Nothing to prove, it's his impression.
I think jackfrags on YouTube had the best video. He was donging with the pistol from pretty far away and that excited me.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Fiend or foe?
Crosspost from Team Beyond:
Let's hope it isn't too long. I can see wanting to get as many playing Warzone as possible. But with the AI, all the requisition/burn cards stuff, I can't get into it on a major scale. A few matches once in a while sure, but I'm not a fan of these p2w mechanics, moba style games.
Let's hope it isn't too long. I can see wanting to get as many playing Warzone as possible. But with the AI, all the requisition/burn cards stuff, I can't get into it on a major scale. A few matches once in a while sure, but I'm not a fan of these p2w mechanics, moba style games.
CRIMSONxSERAPH
Neo Member
Sometimes...I remember back to the days when people didn't live and breathe on forums to discuss their demands for a game they hadn't played yet. I remember when you didn't know what anyone else but your close friends that you'd have LAN parties with thought of a game. I remember when we actually daydreamed of things Halo could add, and looked forward to new additions.
Alas, those days seem to be behind us.
Now, the only time people look back to those days are when they demand that every new Halo game plays just as Halo 3 did. We're in an age where when one vocal opinion is satisfied, seven more differing vocal opinions rage.
I'm glad that I get to jump into a 24-player game and shut a lot of these whiners up
Alas, those days seem to be behind us.
Now, the only time people look back to those days are when they demand that every new Halo game plays just as Halo 3 did. We're in an age where when one vocal opinion is satisfied, seven more differing vocal opinions rage.
I'm glad that I get to jump into a 24-player game and shut a lot of these whiners up
Captain Friendo
Neo Member
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Has there been any info on how Breakout has evolved? Or is it still the same?
It still wouldn't be a good fit. If a map is designed primarily for one mode, it's never going to be great in others. The design of Warzone with opposing bases, garages, places for AI to spawn would preclude you from making a good "vanilla" BTB map without some serious optimizations beyond just lopping off corners.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Only 2 things I would change is make the ttk higher and make more precision weapons available on map. I just don't like low ttk in Halo with the high aim assist and lack of recoil. Halo is precision first, accuracy/twitch shooting second.
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