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I'd be fine if 343 retconed Reach.
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Halo |OT10| The Calm Before The Storm
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I'd be fine if 343 retconed Reach.
Ragnarok Flames
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Wrong. It's microsoft's universe. Bungie may have started it but Microsoft owns it. Your statement is as ignorant as a comic fan bitching about Spider Man retcons.
IRIS was written by Frankie, who had already left Bungie to form what would become 343 Industries. Bungie had already split from M$ and the retconning had begun.
ElRenoRaven
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If they wanted to I'd be ok with that. I firmly believe that the creators of said universe have every right to change whatever they want. We as the consumer have every right though to say no I don't like those changes and to cease purchasing products with those changes in them. That's one reason I don't hate George Lucas for bastardizing Star Wars. It's his to do with as he pleases. That's also though why I don't own any of the versions since he started screwing with them.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I really hope one day there's another game that more directly tells the story of the fall of the Spartan II's. That's what I wanted from Reach when it was first announced.
That or a standalone animated movie.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Dang. I was hoping it would be for another song.
I'll revise what I said earlier; I'll pay 343 to retcon Reach. Actually, they don't even have to do that, just Kat. PLEASE RETCON KAT.
ElRenoRaven
Member
No you are wrong. Microsoft may own the universe currently however it isn't their universe. I'm not talking about ownership here. Maybe you're getting confused by what I'm saying.
That is rich calling Psycho ignorant, because most of time you make no sense at all :lol
Nothing that he said was ignorant and is spot on.
Seriously though, One More Day was shit.
lol.
In every legal purpose, microsoft has COMPLETE control of the Halo universe. It's THEIR universe now.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Can we replace Kat with spiderman? That would be some much better.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Half of the multi-verse is.
I could never get into using Sketchup for Forge maps. In the time I spent making the map in sketchup, I could have already made it in Forge. I also learn what won't work much faster, and allows a map to form more organically for me.
That's just me though. In my personal opinion, there's a lot of Forgers that make some nice ideas in sketchup, soak the praise for the idea, but then never actually make a map out of it. I prefer seeing maps in the engine first. A notable lack of Sketchup for me is it's a poor tool to determine your sight and firing lines from.
AutoCAD for life
ElzarTheBam
Member
Hell, I'd take someone as lame as Aquaman over Kat.
ElRenoRaven
Member
I'm not disputing that. I'm not talking about on a legal ownership level. There is no disputing that Microsoft currently owns the universe legally and can do whatever they want with it. What I'm talking about is on the artistic side of things.
holy shit his death at 30 seconds in hahahah
ThatsMytrunks
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Shuttup, wife.
I'll drink to that.
True, but I also stopped reading some comic series because of that, for example Spider-Man.
I hope retcons will be rare in Halo, it is good like it right now.
Oh yeah, I remember seeing the first teaser and the name "REACH" and I just finished reading the book again, I was pumped as hell.
Then saw the VGA trailer and Bungie said "We don't tell the story of the book" , man I was pissed.
Would love a Halo game following the book storylines, not only Fall of Reach but also First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx. Just want to see John and the other Spartans in action
What do you mean? Microsoft has control of the art for Halo also? We've already seen things artistically change.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Aquaman is pretty cool. If we are talking lame, I'd take the wonder twins over Kat. Actually, they could have made that whole game better: "Wonder Twin powers activate. Transform into a Battle Rifle."
ElzarTheBam
Member
What? Aquaman rules!
ElRenoRaven
Member
*Sighs*
Maybe I'm just not making myself clear here. Maybe someone can explain what I'm trying to say better then I can.
Hypertrooper
Member
343i retconned Reach already with the books.
All in due time, wife. First gotta pay up the mistress.
The P of Poland
Member
Well, they did. E.g. Reach.
People complained then, and they're complaining now, because the whole concept of a "retcon" is a abomination. If fiction can be erased at a whim, than the fiction has no meaning.
Reagan's BR
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FUNKNOWN iXi
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343 is in control of the vision of Halo.
Microsoft is 343's parent company, owns the rights and can influence change to their liking.
This was my biggest disappointment of Reach. When the Noble Team sillohuettes were released with that promo image everyone thought they were Spartan II's. And it all fit. Kelly was the slim, fast one. So and so was the guy with the knife, so and so was the big and bulky spartan II, Linda was the sniper, etc.
I think the game would have been a lot more ambitious if they tried making a storytelling experience based on the book. Imagine having the tutorial missions being running through the obstacle course as kids. Or having the first missions being without the MJOLNIR armor. Then with the shieldless armor. And so on. It would be Chiefs origin story and a PERFECT lead in into Halo 4 (had they planned that far ahead)
But I can understand their reasoning for going with a seperate story line. Just wish it had been a tad more consistent. Lots of dropped balls.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Amazing. I'd do the same in their position.
ElRenoRaven
Member
No really? I didn't know that./sarcasm
I never said they couldn't. I know that they can legally do that. I've said as much that they have every right and I'm not going to hate on them or condemn the game for that very reason. I haven't once said they couldn't legally turn Master Chief into a hot blond who shoots water balloons at angry cats if they wanted to. I'm not disputing their legal right to do anything they fucking want with the goddamn universe.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
The P of Poland
Member
I didn't pay all that much attention to Reach leading up to its release, so that was more or less what I was expecting.
That is still my idea of the perfect Halo game, something involving Kelly, Fred, and the rest. Instead we got Jun, Emile, and Kat.
Cardboard over interesting characters.
Awesome. A game that just retreads a book and fiction we've already gone over, and would have still needed changes to work as a game, and you know, not a book. Snore.
The problem with the last tournament (for me) was that we were in different parts of the world. My match was at 4am local time and I had work the next day, I got out of bed at 3:55 to play and couldn't even control my hands - I could barely see!
I'd suggest the next tournament have separate brackets for Europe and The Americas and then maybe do a playoff between the top two teams In each bracket.
I'd suggest the next tournament have separate brackets for Europe and The Americas and then maybe do a playoff between the top two teams In each bracket.
Instead we got the flattest and most irrelevant characters a halo game has ever seen.
I read the Hobbit and I'm still going to enjoy the SHIT out of the movie.
Slightly Live
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Retcons don't disrespect older material.
And perfect continuity can't exist in a franchise as big as Halo. Or Star Wars. Or Star Trek.
If Halo was simply a book series I'd be fighting the canon anti-retcon fight but it is what it is and stamping your feet won't change the nature of the beast.
Sage advice in many situations.
Life makes so much sense right now.
Reach would have been a great game if it had incorporated scenes from the book. Like the
What a waste of huge potential.
Keyes Loop, master chief in space destroying the map to earth, linda dying off, Chief meeting johnson for the first time, spartans defending the mac guns, halsey cloning her brain into cortana etc.
What a waste of huge potential.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Dude, you asked for someone to help better explain what you're saying and I put it in the simplest words for people..
lol
Come on.. it was the perfect Beta for Halo 4.
Hypertrooper
Member
I do not need a game to retell a story I have read a few years ago. Give me new stuff. The same stuff applies for Spartan Ops. Let Spartan Ops tell new stories, not retelling of battles people have read in the books.
K
kittens
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Yeah, totally. There's definitely going to be separate tournaments for the USA and Europe if another tournament happens.
The P of Poland
Member
You cannot be serious.