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Halo |OT12| Last One Out, Get the Lights
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Yep if they got the right people for choosing maps for MM it will be good, I played on really good forge maps already.
But thinking about which maps were greenlighted for Reach makes me worried
All we need is The Cage and Cragmire to push this to 10/10.
Kind of already went in on the points, so I'll be repeating myself. Thanks for reading though.
Because Jamie is an awesome designer. If you read his blog its like holy shit where were you during Reach?
A lot of his design ideals contradict the decisions made in Reach
i went back, bloom is pretty bad
there are still about 67,000 players on reach right now. thats pretty impressive, i think, since 4 just came out. I'm not even sure Halo 4 has doubled that amount.
i went back, bloom is pretty bad
there are still about 67,000 players on reach right now. thats pretty impressive, i think, since 4 just came out. I'm not even sure Halo 4 has doubled that amount.
Wait, there are 67k people on Reach right now? Because there are only 24,818 people on War Games in 4 right now. That seems hard to believe.
it's this rapid and engaging playlist management that is sure to keep players online for years to come.
bobs...onGaf
Member
I feel like I'm missing something - bungie hasn't actually said anything regarding halo 4 have they?
Not sure if you meant in quality or payout (or both), but to me, no to both:
Win 9 Slayer Games: 2750 XP
Get 12 Kills w/ Secondary Weapons: 1250 XP
I have not been enjoying these challenges.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
Does anyone who dislikes Prometheans think that some of it has to do with them basically being robots? I think there's something more satisfying about killing organic, blood spurting enemies than flying robots and robot dogs that blow up into a few pieces.
Poker Face
Member
i hope they talk about the new map pack in the bulletin tonight. they still have yet to officially announce it's release date :/
I don't know man, that kill effect is pretty damn awesome for Prometheans. I don't think I need to see blood splatter ever again. Never really cared for the presence of the effect either in the past.
Just checked it myself. Says 67,378 in matchmaking.
It's almost as if the people that were playing Reach up to this point actually wanted to play Reach.
Team Slayer was always between 9000 - 11000 before 4 came out, and it's stayed in that range since 4 released. It's currently at 9350 right now.
edit: eh that was a bit much
Nirvana
Member
This. Overall I like them and after playing Legendary definitely appreciate that battles with them can be engaging and interesting, but in any game I have ever played, I would rather fight organic beings than robots. I think that's why I got bored of Borderlands 2 more quickly, because it just turned into robot killing for the whole second half of the game.
Also the Prometheans have a bit of a detachment from the world, they don't get in vehicles, they don't board vehicles, all of their movement essentially negates the map's geometry; Crawlers can climb walls, Knights teleport and Watchers fly. They only make buzzing noises, they are all the same standard colouration and I think they become a bit boring to look at because they blend into their environments too much.
I'm hoping they at least go through a basic redesign in Halo 5, even if it's just some extra colours, textures and some differentiation in movement for each enemy.
Poker Face
Member
OdysseusVA
Banned
I don't think Reach numbers are updating anymore. The last couple of times I've checked it's been the exact same.
squidhands
Member
I find the assassinations to be very rewarding. I'm pretty sure you can assassinate a Watcher, but as of yet I've been unable to do it. They're a one-hit melee kill from the front, and I can never seem to get behind/above one.
But beyond that, I find fighting them head-on to be downright boring. It's always the same tier: Watcher/Crawler/Knight. When you get to the Knights, you have to kill the flaming red one first, then the one with the blue peacock shit sticking out of it's back, then the normal one. Always. You can even predict where they will teleport to a certain degree, and their one-hit kill bullshit weapons are totally unfun to strategize against.
Hoping for different/better/redesigned enemies to fight against in the next game.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
I personally think the best death in the game is a Scattershot to an Elite at close range. Purple blood everywhere and the Elite flies back while disintegrating. Such a great combo of effects. Or Binary Rifle to an Elite, also awesome.
Poker Face
Member
Rickenslacker
Banned
Play Binary Domain. Fighting robots is the shit.
The kill effect looks cool but sucks in that it instantly wipes corpses. I like games that have some persistence in the damage that you cause in a battle, including blood decals, bullet casings, corpses that sort of thing. It's actually one of the reasons why CE appealed to me in the first place.
I don't like them for their inconsistency, lack of player feedback, and poorly executed AI. Plus many of the designs including the teleport and forming out of thin air are lackluster ways to introduce enemies to a firefight. I made a post about it earlier this week and I'm on mobile, so I can't really look it up.
too much eslim
Member
How come people who have a problem with the Ordnance system just play objective? Even though the global ordnance drop is shaky at times it is more of a simple Halo play style. I've been playing more objective than slayer and it is more fun. IS while random is not that bad, and BIS is just fun when you want a social experience.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
I was just saying that some of their problems may come from it. I posted a lengthy post a few days ago as well.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44625982&postcount=9807
Here is my specific problem with the Prometheans taken from it.
Tha Robbertster
Member
There are a few things I dislike about the Prometheans. Some things are gameplay related, other things are canonical.
Gameplay wise, I think the Prometheans are boring. The enocunters with 'm don't vary much, the knight take to many bullets to kill and their teleporting ability is stupid and annoying. Crawlers don't do anything interesting. They just shoot at you from a distance and rush at you. Watchers barely play a role because any smart player kills them before they do anything.
Story wise, I hate the fact that the Prometheans can apparently spawn wherever they want. I think that is really stupid. For example, you could have secured a base after heavy fighting, only to have the enemies spawn in again and again and again. I'd rather have them move in vehicles or something like that. At least the, we would have had some possible awesome Promethean vehicles.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Yes, because no one bitched at 343 for months about hating Forge maps in Reach. No one ever said "Keep Forge maps out of Halo 4 playlists." /sarcasm
Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
lol. By this logic many things should be removed from some objective games.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I actually find Big Team is fun by myself. Don't try and play Oddball or anything though.
I probably wouldn't want a Rocket Launcher to drop right next to the base of the defenders in a theoretical 1 Bomb game either..
Hmm maybe you are right. Matchmaking is very fast, though.
squidhands
Member
I played two games of Oddball last night with randoms and had a blast. Best gametype is best.
Adding Forge maps to Invasion: good, because it was needed.
Adding many more to Super Slayer and adding Heavies in BTB: not good, because it made the chances of getting the better maps pop up less often.
They turned BTB into Heavies and Spire/Boneyard (mostly Slayer... *looks at H4 BTB*).
Poker Face
Member
I think the problem with Reach was the amount of forge maps in matchmaking. One or two maps from each forge environment wouldn't be too bad, as long they play well, and don't look awful.
Pretty much. Always seems like I'm playing against full teams, with incompetent teammates. So I feel like I can only play regicide (which I loathe) since I can do well without having to rely on others for help.
ElRenoRaven
Member
I don't hate them for that reason. I'd like the Prometheans if the Knights just had more AI. As it is they're very predictable. That's one of my complaints. The AI in the game is very predictable and very very dumb. It's like they took the great AI Bungie made and gutted it leaving a lobotomized version of it that imitates it but never replicates it. That's with all enemies in the game mind you. You've seen it in video after video with the AI not engaging you from a distance. Then you've seen AI just contantly all run into walls, etc. The AI in the game is beyond awful. I'd say that's actually one of my biggest complaints behind the linear campaign levels that make Halo 2's look open and the lack of any real objectives other then go here and insert Cortana there.
Zeouterlimits
Member
I'm not sure that's really what kylej meant.
I forgot that there was still this community thread running over here too.
Just gonna repost my spoiler-free Campaign review, and I added some more issues I forgot to touch on with enemies before, and some positives with some vehicle sections.
Finally beat the game for the first time, on solo Legendary - I definitely enjoyed the visual ride, as well as the adventure and flow, but there were still some things I didn't like.
Halo 4 Legendary was by far the easiest of all Halos - if I wasn't messing around and exploring to find the terminals, admire scenery, and get the level-specific Achievements, I could have knocked it out in a day tops. Dunno how they could have recommended to play on Normal for the first time for this, I guess they meant that for casuals-only or something.
For example, the enemy A.I., namely Prometheans - with the past Bungie games, the A.I. is the best in the business, hands-down. Battles never felt cheap, they felt strategic, the enemies utilizes their surroundings, they didn't camp, they felt smart in battle. Here? I couldn't believe how many of the enemies insisted on hiding behind the closest pillar till you came around, and even when discovered, they would continue to hang around that pillar, even if you rushed them or tried to force them out.
I even remember in one of the earlier levels an Elite totally took me by surprise after I cleared out a room, and was even aware of the number of enemies I was battling, and he just popped out from around a corner as I was walking past - I still killed him first, but he had to have been hiding there and not moved an inch till I walked past him because the room was tiny. Really disliked that campiness from the enemies, because they just would not make a move towards you until you're in their breathing space, just staying back and taking pot-shots the whole time. I know I'm the Master Chief and all, but not all of you have to act like pussies and hang back.
Another thing that I really disliked with the enemy A.I., namely Grunts and Crawlers, is that they'd actually rush me, then stop and turn their back on me and just stand there, so I'd just be pecking at them with my precision weapon trying to get a headshot from an angle while taking on the bullets, and usually run/walk away from me while I'm still hitting them trying to get a headshot, making me waste bullets. This hasn't happened once or twice, it happened for most of the encounters to the point that it seemed like a tactic from them to avoid getting headshotted, and it seemed poor to me.
I also remembered someone on here some time back talking about how they couldn't tell the difference between the variations of Knights - now THAT I strongly disagree with. That actually was clear on which version was holding what weapon, the only sneaky thing was when I wasn't aware that they joined the battle and I'd have to hear/see the blast long before I actually saw them, but that goes back to the camping/hiding issue I have with the A.I. that I mentioned earlier.
Marines are not great at staying alive at all - all they do is rush past me and go straight into the open and get gunned down in no time, every time. If you're going to make them that gung-ho, at least make them stronger or even invincible, because they never last longer than a couple minutes next to me, they only survive if I run ahead by a few dozen meters and clear the room before they get there.
And mind you, the above points were only brought to light because of the level-specific Achievements 343 put in. I got them all in my first tries for most, and after too-many tries with one, but I probably wouldn't have paid the A.I. as much attention as I did without those Achievements.
But for the positives - again, the visuals were amazing, and I really did enjoy the fast-pace flow of the game, and you really felt like a two-person army who could handle anything the galaxy could throw your way, and not have everything go according to plan perfectly. The character models and animations, the cutscenes, incredible. And I loved the connection between the Chief and Cortana throughout the game.
The scale of certain things felt less huge and broad-scale than past Halos, yet some things technology-wise felt even grander, if that makes any sense to anyone. And I loved the certain vehicle sections in certain levels that I don't have to mention, you all know what I mean, they were great.
Bravo 343, an excellent effort for the beginning of a new trilogy.
Just gonna repost my spoiler-free Campaign review, and I added some more issues I forgot to touch on with enemies before, and some positives with some vehicle sections.
Finally beat the game for the first time, on solo Legendary - I definitely enjoyed the visual ride, as well as the adventure and flow, but there were still some things I didn't like.
Halo 4 Legendary was by far the easiest of all Halos - if I wasn't messing around and exploring to find the terminals, admire scenery, and get the level-specific Achievements, I could have knocked it out in a day tops. Dunno how they could have recommended to play on Normal for the first time for this, I guess they meant that for casuals-only or something.
For example, the enemy A.I., namely Prometheans - with the past Bungie games, the A.I. is the best in the business, hands-down. Battles never felt cheap, they felt strategic, the enemies utilizes their surroundings, they didn't camp, they felt smart in battle. Here? I couldn't believe how many of the enemies insisted on hiding behind the closest pillar till you came around, and even when discovered, they would continue to hang around that pillar, even if you rushed them or tried to force them out.
I even remember in one of the earlier levels an Elite totally took me by surprise after I cleared out a room, and was even aware of the number of enemies I was battling, and he just popped out from around a corner as I was walking past - I still killed him first, but he had to have been hiding there and not moved an inch till I walked past him because the room was tiny. Really disliked that campiness from the enemies, because they just would not make a move towards you until you're in their breathing space, just staying back and taking pot-shots the whole time. I know I'm the Master Chief and all, but not all of you have to act like pussies and hang back.
Another thing that I really disliked with the enemy A.I., namely Grunts and Crawlers, is that they'd actually rush me, then stop and turn their back on me and just stand there, so I'd just be pecking at them with my precision weapon trying to get a headshot from an angle while taking on the bullets, and usually run/walk away from me while I'm still hitting them trying to get a headshot, making me waste bullets. This hasn't happened once or twice, it happened for most of the encounters to the point that it seemed like a tactic from them to avoid getting headshotted, and it seemed poor to me.
I also remembered someone on here some time back talking about how they couldn't tell the difference between the variations of Knights - now THAT I strongly disagree with. That actually was clear on which version was holding what weapon, the only sneaky thing was when I wasn't aware that they joined the battle and I'd have to hear/see the blast long before I actually saw them, but that goes back to the camping/hiding issue I have with the A.I. that I mentioned earlier.
Marines are not great at staying alive at all - all they do is rush past me and go straight into the open and get gunned down in no time, every time. If you're going to make them that gung-ho, at least make them stronger or even invincible, because they never last longer than a couple minutes next to me, they only survive if I run ahead by a few dozen meters and clear the room before they get there.
And mind you, the above points were only brought to light because of the level-specific Achievements 343 put in. I got them all in my first tries for most, and after too-many tries with one, but I probably wouldn't have paid the A.I. as much attention as I did without those Achievements.
But for the positives - again, the visuals were amazing, and I really did enjoy the fast-pace flow of the game, and you really felt like a two-person army who could handle anything the galaxy could throw your way, and not have everything go according to plan perfectly. The character models and animations, the cutscenes, incredible. And I loved the connection between the Chief and Cortana throughout the game.
The scale of certain things felt less huge and broad-scale than past Halos, yet some things technology-wise felt even grander, if that makes any sense to anyone. And I loved the certain vehicle sections in certain levels that I don't have to mention, you all know what I mean, they were great.
Bravo 343, an excellent effort for the beginning of a new trilogy.
Aggrotek
Member
I feel the same. Played a KotH game and 3/5 of the enemy team was just camping top mid on Haven slaying the entire game. I kept winning but it was so painful.
Yeah, for the crawlers, when they were just standing still or running/jumping in a straight line, it's a one-hit headshot every time. The instant they get to juking and making these sudden turns, running sideways and so on, it's about four bursts every time till I get a headshot, sometimes I feel it's the hitbox, sometimes I feel it's because for the first time instead of playing at max sensitivity I slowed it down big time for a shooter.
Also annoying when I drop a Knight's shields and I need two or more shots to the head for the kill, but I found that was accounted for since they have a helmet that gets shot off for the first headshot, then their face gets exposed and then I hit them again and kill them.
same here. online population still feels very healthy. finding matches quicker and less laggy than 4( though that's probably a trade off for a more accurate trueskill system in 4), in most playlists. even finding anniversary matches easily.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
There is definitely inconsistency. I honestly wonder how Prometheans can even play into Halo 5. The established fiction basically states that Requiem is where they exist, so Infinity and the Spartan IVs would basically have to commit a colossal fuck up to allow them to leave. The only real way for 343 to evolve the Promtheans into something lasting like the Covenant is to do the following...
-more enemy types
-clearer class distinction
-better feedback and reaction
-better A.I.
-less cheap tactics like invincibility when teleporting
-their own vehicles
-more weaponry
-creative use of the new Forerunner theme (we've seen transforming architecture, allow enemies to transform to some extent, and maybe even combine forms.
I know you're probably reading this and going, "duh" but I feel it really needs to happen if 343 plans on giving Prometheans lasting power.
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