It's straight.
An interesting listen. I do know that I would probably ask many different questions if I were in Dustin's shoes. Would love the opportunity.
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It's straight.
An interesting listen. I do know that I would probably ask many different questions if I were in Dustin's shoes. Would love the opportunity.
NullPointer
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Its takes so long to get into a Mantis that its very easy for hidden enemy players to jump out of the bushes and plant a grenade the very moment your mech stands up.
That alone has kept me away from the thing.
That alone has kept me away from the thing.
Halsey is the only developed character. One very small good part doesn't redeem the rest. The cg is obviously good, but not what anyone wanted. Its a substance less corpse with a shiney, cg coffin
Not hating, I think they're very fair.
HigherLevel
Member
I hope those are obtainable in custom games.
How the hell am I supposed to melee someone coming off a mancannon? Hopefully these are doable in customs.
I played KOTH Ragnarok the other day and I'm pretty sure Banshee was out. I could be wrong, but I swear it was.
If only you knew someone who did a podcast!
The CG is my favorite part. I'm 3 episodes behind for the actual missions but I've been watching the CG. The CG itself is great, its the writing that is questionable at best. Palmer obviously sucks and I also dislike the S4's. Way too dude bro and dense to be in the Spartan program. Its pretty lame.
I played KOTH Ragnarok the other day and I'm pretty sure Banshee was out. I could be wrong, but I swear it was.
If only you knew someone who did a podcast!
The CG is my favorite part. I'm 3 episodes behind for the actual missions but I've been watching the CG. The CG itself is great, its the writing that is questionable at best. Palmer obviously sucks and I also dislike the S4's. Way too dude bro and dense to be in the Spartan program. Its pretty lame.
ElRenoRaven
Member
You know though. That brings me to one key issue. As hard as they're trying to tear Halsey down it only makes you dislike the other characters that much more.
scar tissue
Banned
The only good multiplayer achievements are "win X games", "kill X enemies (in slayer)", "spend X time in the hill", "capture X flags" (and that last one's debatable already)
wat at these.
Extraction is literally Dominion without resupplies/turrets/shield doors, isn't it?
But the carbine one is baffling is extremely worrying. It sounds like there is a huge disconnect here from the actual game and the game MULTIPLAYER LEAD DESIGNER.
Kevin, you don't BELIEVE it has the fastest kill time, you should KNOW it. And when all the evidence points to it being the slowest of the rifles... well...
Indeed, awesome
Hm interesting stuff, seems like Kevin wants some things that we also want.
:/ No, please noCrimson map pack achievements.
Thank you kind sir.
It might have been a separate update from the CTF removal, but as far as I know, it's still there. It certainly wasn't changed the same week as the CTF variant, which is crazy to me. Same player count, same map.
If only! lol
Nah Extraction is pretty different. The way the normal gametype is set up is that there are 5 points on the map. ABCDE. When the game starts only A and B are available to capture. Let's say you Capture A. You have to defend it for 45 seconds until A is extracted and you get the point. At any time, the other team can come in and cancel your extraction and start their own 45 second time. As soon as A or B is extracted, C opens up for extraction. There are only 2 points ever on the map at the same time. It's tweakable for customs and forge and shit though.
I didn't listen to the podcast, but it seems to me like Dustin never asked about very BIG issues.
1. Filesharing/Waypoint functionality
2. Fixing broken custom options and/or adding ones that have been inexplicably cut.
3. Fixing Ordnance issues (waypoints being wrong, ordnance not spawning or spawning into the ground, general ordnance wonkiness) Perhaps even grill him on people wanting a static ordnance playlist.
4. Firing/Damage/Dead X indicators. EXPLAIN.
5. Feelings on AA balance and Boltshot?
These are some of the biggest issues with Halo 4 right now. If Kevin Franklin agrees to be on your podcast you gotta ask him the questions the people want to hear.
Tashi/Domino/Duncan, could you guys get him on HaloGAF Radio?
1. Filesharing/Waypoint functionality
2. Fixing broken custom options and/or adding ones that have been inexplicably cut.
3. Fixing Ordnance issues (waypoints being wrong, ordnance not spawning or spawning into the ground, general ordnance wonkiness) Perhaps even grill him on people wanting a static ordnance playlist.
4. Firing/Damage/Dead X indicators. EXPLAIN.
5. Feelings on AA balance and Boltshot?
These are some of the biggest issues with Halo 4 right now. If Kevin Franklin agrees to be on your podcast you gotta ask him the questions the people want to hear.
Tashi/Domino/Duncan, could you guys get him on HaloGAF Radio?
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I'm with you man. The CG stuff is great and I'm glad we have this to extend Halo's fiction. It just sucks that obvious ways of making FF better were not advanced when Spartan Ops seemed like one of those obvious things..
Lasky. Haven't liked a character this much since Halo 2 (The Arbiter/Gravemind).
Comparing these achievements to those in Halo 3/Reach is completely unfair.
I updated my massive post with these two things that I forgot, as well as a few clarifications and grammar mistakes.
10. Spawning is awful. There have been multiple times where I am overrun by Crawlers and Knights spawning on top of me and it respawns me right where I died. I've shut off my Xbox multiple times because of the frustration of dying on repeat because the game decided there was only one place to spawn me in.
Another case study of Valhalla:
I've circled safe areas of spawning. They're safe because the lines of sight aren't direct to any major part of the map or they have quick access to cover. Now, it should not spawn the player anywhere within a radar's length of an enemy. So essentially what the spawning system should do is check the spawn point closest to the player's last death. Check if there are any enemies in the spawn zone. If yes, then move to the next closest spawn zone and reduce that zone's weighting. If no, check if there are any OHK enemies that can target that spawn zone. If yes to that check, then move to the next closest spawn zone and reduce the weighting on the zone. If no, then finally spawn the player in. If there is a scenario where all spawn zones are not safe, choose the zone with the highest weighting.
11. Information overload and inconsistencies. This is apparent in all of the game, but Spartan Ops is one of the worst offenders of this. I don't need to know where every single enemy is on the map. Highlighting the last few targets should be for the last few, not the last fifty. One thing done well is the damage done to certain objects like generators. Having that information is actually helpful. But on the flipside, I don't need to see everything that is labeled an enemy, even if it is a Grunt in the turret seat of a Phantom. That type of information is useless and annoying.
It becomes inconsistent when enemies use human weapons. If you play the second Complex Spartan Ops mission, a Grunt can get on a human turret. If he is one of the last thousand enemies with a waypoint over their head, his will disappear. Then shortly after, random enemies will start losing their waypoints. No idea on the cause of it, but it was annoying as hell to track down enemies that were running into corners.
10. Spawning is awful. There have been multiple times where I am overrun by Crawlers and Knights spawning on top of me and it respawns me right where I died. I've shut off my Xbox multiple times because of the frustration of dying on repeat because the game decided there was only one place to spawn me in.
Another case study of Valhalla:
I've circled safe areas of spawning. They're safe because the lines of sight aren't direct to any major part of the map or they have quick access to cover. Now, it should not spawn the player anywhere within a radar's length of an enemy. So essentially what the spawning system should do is check the spawn point closest to the player's last death. Check if there are any enemies in the spawn zone. If yes, then move to the next closest spawn zone and reduce that zone's weighting. If no, check if there are any OHK enemies that can target that spawn zone. If yes to that check, then move to the next closest spawn zone and reduce the weighting on the zone. If no, then finally spawn the player in. If there is a scenario where all spawn zones are not safe, choose the zone with the highest weighting.
11. Information overload and inconsistencies. This is apparent in all of the game, but Spartan Ops is one of the worst offenders of this. I don't need to know where every single enemy is on the map. Highlighting the last few targets should be for the last few, not the last fifty. One thing done well is the damage done to certain objects like generators. Having that information is actually helpful. But on the flipside, I don't need to see everything that is labeled an enemy, even if it is a Grunt in the turret seat of a Phantom. That type of information is useless and annoying.
It becomes inconsistent when enemies use human weapons. If you play the second Complex Spartan Ops mission, a Grunt can get on a human turret. If he is one of the last thousand enemies with a waypoint over their head, his will disappear. Then shortly after, random enemies will start losing their waypoints. No idea on the cause of it, but it was annoying as hell to track down enemies that were running into corners.
HigherLevel
Member
I like how in that Harvest CTF video the guy talking about the map says something about bunkering down and defending the flag and the IGN guy is like, "we call that camping." smh
Nice one ex-wife. Map looks really awesome, the layout is really cool.
Yea he definitely missed some really important questions. Don't know the whole story though.
I'd love to have Kevin on (even for just a quick interview segment) and I'll definitely extend an invite but I think he's on vacation right now. Maybe after the New Year? Don't know.
Achievements requiring players to use a very specific weapon or vehicle are not welcome because regardless of whether or not you can get it through normal play, people will be trying for it actively, impacting player behavior detrimentally. Can you seriously not see that people are going to be fighting over the Mantis for these? Over the turret? We're already seeing people boosting commendations because they're too specific. Maybe it'll only be for a week, but why introduce a week of moronic behavior because you are somehow unable to design better achievements?
Even beyond that, this ensures that they are forced to keep these elements on the maps in perpetuity - something that comes up as imbalanced or unwanted later cannot be removed because there is an achievement tied to it. Look at how many playlists can never be removed from Halo 3 and Reach because of achievements.
Is it as bad as the Mongoose splatter achievement? No, but it doesn't have to be that bad to be annoying. There are varying degrees of shittiness, and these lie somewhere along that gradient.
Slightly Live
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Why are they using the maps made by the Community Cartographers during their 1 day visit to 343 when they played around with Forge pre-release?
I have faith in the ability of the those that attended, but surely they could have chosen or worked with the CC's to chose map that have had a little more planning and testing from the map creators?
Folks are only now getting to grips with Halo 4's Forge and to think they are considering putting really early, rough CC maps into MM instead of looking at what is available TODAY .... I do not understand.
I have faith in the ability of the those that attended, but surely they could have chosen or worked with the CC's to chose map that have had a little more planning and testing from the map creators?
Folks are only now getting to grips with Halo 4's Forge and to think they are considering putting really early, rough CC maps into MM instead of looking at what is available TODAY .... I do not understand.
You know they're going to have to be in MM anyways.
Maybe, but Reach had a mappack where you could do the chievos in custom games.
Digital Limit
Member
Rat's Nest (not race!), mang.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
That was actually an unintended bug.
RebornYeti
Member
That was a bug, though? I mean, 343 fixed it as soon as they could and now those things are impossible to get. Do we think they learned their lesson? Ehhhh, we'll see.
Shhh, don't jinx it man.
Didn't know it was a bug, hopefully the bug is in again. Yeah, I want it buggy!
I love the blackscreen bug in this game. One time had: Ragnarok, BR. armour abilities and sprint disabled.
it was glorious.
squidhands
Member
Why would anyone want the DMR when it doesn't fire three-round bursts? I've only played one game of SWAT on Abandon, so I don't know if it's available on the larger maps where distance means more.
This sounds far more like Territories than Assault, which makes me wonder why the hell the developer would say the opposite was the influence. Based on what you've said and what little I've seen of gameplay, it doesn't resemble Assault in the least.
YourExWife
Member
Is this a serious post? Lol.
For the record I use Recon and have no problem. You want 343 to disable jumping because you can't aim?
Did you reach level 50 yet?
It definitely makes a difference on larger maps (and it is available). DMR accuracy trumps the BR in longer range encounters. I never use the BR for anything though so I'm biased. I play a lot pf SWAT and I always prefer the DMR for it's accuracy.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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You're being too extreme on this and are trying to put that on the same level as Ranked Lone Wolves double kill with one Laser shot or that Defiance CTF achievement.
To your statement though, what's the problem with that? People fight over the Mantis already, but now maybe someone who uses the Mantis a lot will give someone who doesn't a chance to get the achievement. Maybe they'll even stay away from the Mantis for a couple days while people fight over it, allowing them to use other parts of the sandbox.
Same thing applies to the Turret (which are much more common and easy to kill people with so that's a non issue).
Are you against keeping any kind of ranking system out of Halo because of griefers too? You're not being fair man..
That's just an inevitable problem with any achievements tied to map packs, and I agree. However, these achievements don't deserve the same type of hate as anything you're describing or making it seem like.
I thought this same thing ;\ Hopefully those maps will be top quality by the time they get put into MM.
SWAT Complex is pretty much required DMR territory. Why is such a huge map in SWAT, you ask?
I got nothin'.
A) No, I'm not placing it on the same level as those achievements. The last line of the post you quoted explicitly stated that.
B) People fight over the Mantis already. I've seen it happen, I'm not arguing that. Lets introduce a system-level reason for them to do it more often! Why? How is that acceptable? Would you add something to encourage other deviant behavior too? Your dream scenario of someone finding kindness in their heart and learning to love the rest of the game is a great ideal scenario. But history shows that the only constant is that people want to be assholes. The guy who rushes the Mantis every game isn't going to stop because Random Joe 23 x 420 wants to get in so he can go around the map doing nothing but stomping the entire game (you seriously don't see a problem with encouraging that?), he's going to keep rushing it and people are going to be upset. This is the reality of the internet.
C) No, I'm not against any kind of ranking system because no ranking system that has existed ever tells players that the only way they can win is to use one weapon in one way on three maps out of the entire roster. The difference is specificity. Reach commendations: General, class-based. Did not dramatically impact player behavior. Get 20 Kills with Mantis Stomp: Hyperspecific, will impact player behavior to a significant degree. Proposed fix: Get 50 vehicle-related medals. General, allows for a variety of behaviors, does not impact player behavior detrimentally. You can say I'm not being fair, but I'd argue that you're overestimating the ability of people on the internet to not be fucktards.
Whether or not these are as bad as the ones before is irrelevant. They are making the same mistakes at a fundamental level and ignoring lessons that they should have learned with the past two achievement-laden map packs they put out. It is frustrating to see them do so. You're free to think it's not a big deal, but don't be surprised when people are harsh when a developer makes the same mistake 3 times in a row.
Get to level 50, enlist in Rogue, get to level 60, enjoy your flinchless Halo.
I guess it's like Assault in that you have to sit there "arming" the Extraction point. And you also have to disarm the Extraction point if someone has taken it. But yea, there's no carrying of a bomb or anything like that. It's really a mix of the 2 gametypes.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Its REALLY easy to hit people who constantly bunny hop as they have very predictable actions. Its the guys who stay on the ground and only jump at the last moment that you need to be wary of.
What??? How is this a thing? Holy hell thats terrible. I doubt anyone would have tried to make a good map in that one day. I imagine most people where just playing with Forge.
squidhands
Member
It certainly makes sense on larger maps, though I don't know why that should even be a thing for SWAT. Oh well.
Right, but you have to sit in a Territory to gain the area, and the enemy can gain it right back if you don't hold it down long enough to lock it. Also no two fixed bases to break into, based on what I've seen, just random points on the map. I guess I can see a small correlation, but I get a big Territories vibe more than anything else. Maybe Complex will work better for the gametype with all the buildings. Regardless, I'm excited to try it out next week.
Syracuse022
Member
I'm not sure that guy knows what 'organic' means.
Pro tip: dirt, dust, rocks, etc. are not organic.
Cheers guys. Not far away. Once the MLG playlist comes out I'll fly through the ranks, as it is I'm struggling to hold my attention when Haven just repeats in the rotation. Really do think the lack of actual tangible skill based ranks is also sapping my will to play. I had a really fun game of Slayer Pro on Haven, but it all just feels so worthless and disposable.
The Lamonster
Member
Should have said "natural." That's the terminology in the Forge tool itself.
Genesis Knight
Member
When are they selecting winners for the DewXP prizes like the Halo 4 controller?
Depends entirely on the map. Haven, Adrift (ugh), Abandon - I use the BR. (I actually will pick up the DMR on Abandon as a Secondary - plenty of people dying with them - because there are longer sightlines where it's useful.)
Complex - DMR, definitely.
Heh - I LOVE Complex SWAT. It's less of a twitch game, and more of an accuracy one. (Still one headshot to kill, so you don't have to keep your accuracy up for multiple shots... but the longer range means getting that shot off doesn't require the same twitch skills that, say, Haven SWAT needs.)
That's just me, I guess. Seems like a lot of people think it's dumb.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Thanks to whoever posted those Sonic speedruns, cant believe i just watched the whole Sonic3 and knuckles run, good grief that game is broken
I only really have an issue with the way that map spawns players, particularly in SWAT - the layout is a little less important for Slayer than I suppose I made it sound. If it weighted indoor spawns more heavily, I think I'd enjoy it more, but spawning behind the garage while the enemy team held the top middle building pretty much killed my desire to try it again.Heh - I LOVE Complex SWAT. It's less of a twitch game, and more of an accuracy one. (Still one headshot to kill, so you don't have to keep your accuracy up for multiple shots... but the longer range means getting that shot off doesn't require the same twitch skills that, say, Haven SWAT needs.)
That's just me, I guess. Seems like a lot of people think it's dumb.
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