There is no list of changes they could make to get a hundred thousand people to come back - changes that, according to the wants of forums posters, essentially entail undoing a huge chunk of the game - a feat that is in many respects probably technically unfeasible, and largely counter to their commitment to their "vision." It makes more sense that they try to keep the ones they still have. That means the populations will continue to be shit and we have to wait for Halo 5 to see if they learned anything.
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Halo |OT14| They call it Halo
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It really shows that they don't "get" Halo multiplayer. I imagine their hired hands are almost all folks that understood how to put together a Halo campaign and a working multiplayer mode but they clearly don't understand why specific things worked a specific way. Such as why weapon unlocks were not part of the Halo formula even in a post CoD world (I'm referring to Reach and Bungie's wise decision to omit that crap). Or that basic abilities such as picking up grenades off corpses should be available to all players. Or that timed weapon spawns had a purpose in giving maps a certain flow and flavor (something that wacky global ordnance does not provide; the maps are basically a blank template with that shit in place).
I honestly think that they're nearly all casual Halo fans that never considered the ramifications their changes to the game would have. And we shouldn't be surprised. When you pull in people from all over the industry that spend hundreds of hours working on games and playing most others casually (when compared to people like in this thread that know the ins and outs of said franchise), you will probably not find a GhaleonEB, a kylej, a Havok, or anyone else like the intelligent posters we have here among that group. I thought we had that with David and Frankie but it's evident that they really don't get it. (Unless they do but office politics prevents them from voicing their opinions because they're not multiplayer leads.)
EagleBurnn
Banned
You're making way too much sense
I hope so, barring whichever exec did up the powerpoint that led to this game keeping their foot on the brakes.
Feels like they crewed their focus group exclusively with butthurt Bnetters that complained all during 2007-2009 about brigs and generals... it seems to be so ideologically and somewhat contemptuously driven at this point
I guess this is what we deserve.
Err, I don't think he's suggesting they will fail in any way that will affect them as employees providing for their families, just failing with the community.
A quick poll:
What is - for you - the best thing about Halo 4?
(It can be overall, or specifying, this in campaign, this in multiplayer, this song of the OST, etc)
The song 117... Arguably the best Halo song ever.
NullPointer
Member
Wasn't the Forge Test playlist put up to test maps for doubles? If so, that makes sense, doesn't it?
That's been pretty obvious.
A man can only dream...
I believe this is the plan in a couple weeks, according to this tweet.
Depends on how well Extraction holds a population. If it behaves like every other capture-and-hold playlist, it'll be down to 3-5% total population within a few weeks, cannibalizing Oddball in the process. I've said it before, but a Team Control playlist makes sense, because it's a catch-all for a very specific style of gameplay that requires the same very specific map style. Then you integrate whatever nonsense Infinity CTF ends up being into the CTF playlist and rename the current CTF to something else (I'm liking "Still-Mediocre CTF," myself, abbreviated to SM CTF to continue their insane naming tradition), integrate Dominion into BTB because they are equal levels of Heavies stupidity, and then you have room for permanent SWAT, Snipers, Doubles, Grifball and all core gametypes are still in matchmaking. Even if they still aren't super great.
Reagan's BR
Banned
I'll stand by that one. Halo 4 doesn't "feel like Halo".
Sometimes that is the only way for things to change. Halo 4 is "New Coke".
Microsoft will expect a reasonable conversion rate from non LE and Map Pass users. That's highly unlikely to happen if the rock-bottom Crimson DLC population is any indication.
Combined with extreme decline in online activity across the board, the MS bean counters are going to be asking some hard questions regarding Halo 5 and Halo 4 support. They made a lot of boxed game sales that justifies keeping the studio around for now, but their next Halo project (Halo 5 or a Spartan Ops spinoff) could break them. Remember that MS wants a franchise that can make them money outside of console game space - toys, books, posters, Mountain Dew cans, gamer good-will that rubs off on the XBOX brand in general, etc. If people abandon the franchise that money and good will goes away.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
A quick poll:
What is - for you - the best thing about Halo 4?
(It can be overall, or specifying, this in campaign, this in multiplayer, this song of the OST, etc)
The BR being back. If only it looked as good as it did in Halo 3.
A quick poll:
What is - for you - the best thing about Halo 4?
(It can be overall, or specifying, this in campaign, this in multiplayer, this song of the OST, etc)
the insane posts that it got people to make defending some of the dumbest mechanics I have ever seen added to an arena FPS
Reagan's BR
Banned
At least we have Wind Waker HD.
Does it feel like Halo?
Franklinator
Member
It's my favorite gun in the game. It's a shame that the DMR is the better gun or else I'd use it more.
I wonder if they'll make the dungeons chests random. It would be crazy and fun!
Hydranockz
Member
343 needs more people telling them what to do.
They need to rethink everything and they need us to tell them.
<3 HaloGAF
They need to rethink everything and they need us to tell them.
<3 HaloGAF
u4ix confirms his identity as Marty McFly
Reagan's BR
Banned
People will make their opinions clear by not purchasing the DLC and subsequent Halo games. Markets work.
I don't know but someone over at 343 is still latching onto the idea that all the changes made were a good thing for some reason even though the population is pretty fucking awful right now for a reason. I don't know who, but I don't like them
So THAT'S why my aim is so bad.
Hydranockz
Member
When?
Probably something like "Some of these people have some decent ideas, but Microsoft is keeping us on too tight of a leash to implement the interesting or reasonable ones. A pity. I'll do what I can with what we have, but I'm not a miracle worker."
Goose. Egg. Gold.
Oh shit. That joke, eh hmm, shook me to my core.
Damn. I'd give you a hand shake for that joke, but it seems you have that covered.
Captain Blood
Member
Ding ding ding. I know for a fact that there are people there who know, love, and understand Halo MP as it should be.
Should've gone with a Manti Te'o reference here
There's so many fake pictures of her I didn't know where to start.
Your avatar gave me some elementary school book-fair flashbacks, props.
Either they thought they had the right formula and are now wandering in the desert, or it's a "not my job" situation and the studio heads don't care about random internet forum peons. In any case they have LinkedIn profiles to update and meetings to organize about synergistic attitude-oriented intranets and how they will seamlessly maximize a Halo 5 design task-force to leverage brand awareness through cooperative marketing structures with Doritos and Ford.
This is a joke about Parkinson's disease.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Didnt realise the theatre was this important to some people. Thanks for these
HigherLevel
Member
Ordnance, global and personal, appear to be the most complained about addition to the game, yet they're adding Infinity CTF. I do not understand.
User 73706
Banned
We're getting our jobs replaced by machines, man. You better step up your game unless you want to walk in on her fucking a Sentinel.
A quick poll:
What is - for you - the best thing about Halo 4?
(It can be overall, or specifying, this in campaign, this in multiplayer, this song of the OST, etc)
Loadouts.
My impression on "Infinity CTF" was that the CTF we have right now is Infinity CTF, and nonexistent classic CTF is... well, classic CTF. Worst-case scenario I see Infinity CTF being the new CTF playlist, but Team Objective or Team Doubles having Community Forge Test CTF in its listings.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
YourExWife
Member
Any dinguses want to play that Halo 4 game? Send a message to mastrbiggy or myself. No dickbutts allowed.
HiredN00bs
Member
Fixed.
VivaciousJazzy
Member
Yay more news that makes me depressed as I manually type in gamertags to search the 140 top 5 submissions I currently need to go over.
