Yo dont be hating Halo 4's campaign.
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Yo dont be hating Halo 4's campaign.
Until you get in the Warthog and it makes a loud noise drowning out everything with any semblance of sound.
I'm with you. I thought Halo 4's campaign easily ranked 2nd or 3rd in the series; I loved it!
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
100% agree.
At first I was going to agree, but then I remembered H:CEA
And so the Crash-Up Derby minigame found a quick death in Halo 4.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
You serious? That is legitimate criticism, not "hating". Did you find 343 delivered on the exploration promised both verbally and through concept art?
Moa
Member
I've just asked Nowise to run through some Spartan Ops missions and record himself pressing all the buttons, will make a gif soon.
Rickenslacker
Banned
This was my initial opinion too until replays really compounded how unfun prommies were to fight for me, and it's not like they were exactly rare encounters either. Encounters that would initiate right past doors that locked was another weird thing where it seemed there was no cover and I couldn't go back to a safe zone.
Even then, a story was very well done. Not every story that they were telling. The story of the Librarian and the Didact was largely shoehorned into the terminals(which were subsequently shoehorned into Waypoint). There's a story that was started in that cutscene that was never finished unless the player went into the terminals. You can look at the last 3 Bungie Halos and see how the additional content(terminals, audio logs, datapads) to see how it should be done. Make a story that adds to the main story and is completely auxiliary. It would be a different story if the Librarian had never shown up explaining stuff to Chief; It wouldn't be a part of the main story then.
The story that they did well was Chief/Cortana, and even then the ending felt very forced and incredibly odd.
Halo 4's campaign was great, I just wish it didn't follow in Reach's footsteps with the whole "Return to the Battlefield" bull.
Could you imagine if the previous Halo games had that crap in their campaigns?
Fata1moose
Banned
I liked Halo 4's campaign, but in a lot of ways it was a disappointment. The levels were far too linear and short, some things that were once dynamic fights were static (See the lich which is basically a scripted scarab). Also the pacing of the campaign was strange, the game starts to open up in the fourth and fifth levels then you go back to corridor shooting. For Halo 5, I'd like to see more open environments again with more ways to approaching a given situation. I think they nailed the atmosphere and gunplay, now they need to open things up a bit. I'd like to see levels like Assault on the Control room again.
Rickenslacker
Banned
More approaches to encounters. Maybe I can find a vehicle or a particular weapon, maybe I can find a better vantage point that completely changes how an encounter plays out. Just something that makes it feel like I'm doing something more than going through a tube. Hell, even outright breaking the level and going out of bounds somewhere can be fun.
Yep my friends basically said after the campaign : "ok, Ice you are the nerd .. what was all of this shit."
ANd even with the books some stuff was pretty weird.. I answered "Honestly.. on some parts I don't know"
The voice acting was better and there were many good approaches, but they failed to make it exciting in many parts, the whole "build up" for the Didact was a joke in the end.
And again I have to say... were are the other Spartan 2's.. you would think the best soldiers would be on the most important ship of the UNSC.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
Because sometimes you can tell a story just by throwing a player into an expansive environment, filled with great details and sights to see. You don't always need the action...
No, instead they had lots of invisible walls.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
6 Month after The new phoenix incident.
Promethean Hive Mind inside New Phoenix has opened 2 portals to requiem which is delivering constant reinforcements. Promethean Hive Mind is readying an assault on earth working outwards from New Phoenix. Large Anti Air shields have been set up.
Buck's ODST squad and a second Squad lead by the rookie are dropped into the city at either end. Over the course of the game you taking on the role of various members of each squad must fight your way into the city destroy the portal generators and then the Promethean Hive mind.
Except half way into the game one squad gets pulled into the portal and ends up on requiem. Their story has them trying to hail the infinity and evac with the other squad having to destroy the intelligence on their own.
ODST 2 Ship it?
Promethean Hive Mind inside New Phoenix has opened 2 portals to requiem which is delivering constant reinforcements. Promethean Hive Mind is readying an assault on earth working outwards from New Phoenix. Large Anti Air shields have been set up.
Buck's ODST squad and a second Squad lead by the rookie are dropped into the city at either end. Over the course of the game you taking on the role of various members of each squad must fight your way into the city destroy the portal generators and then the Promethean Hive mind.
Except half way into the game one squad gets pulled into the portal and ends up on requiem. Their story has them trying to hail the infinity and evac with the other squad having to destroy the intelligence on their own.
ODST 2 Ship it?
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Since we are talking MP:
1) Get rid of stopping power. I am a spartan in armor not a guy in the jungle. If you get 2 people shooting at you you basically can hardly move.
2) Why are people wanting DMR and Light Rifle for loadouts in the new playlist? Battle Rifle starts and buff that shit to be a 4sk. I
3) DMR - Increase Strafe and leave it a 5sk. Have it be a weapon on the map.
1) Get rid of stopping power. I am a spartan in armor not a guy in the jungle. If you get 2 people shooting at you you basically can hardly move.
2) Why are people wanting DMR and Light Rifle for loadouts in the new playlist? Battle Rifle starts and buff that shit to be a 4sk. I
3) DMR - Increase Strafe and leave it a 5sk. Have it be a weapon on the map.
reminds me of EMPing the falcon on winter contingency and just flying around, landing on the other side of the broken bridge, etc. or even flyin around new Alexandria, club arrera with its Easter eggs especially, and the objectives not in fixed order. or landing on halo in CE
halo 4 campaign while enjoyable feels very linear. hardly any exploration or freedom whatsoever
We all have ideas for an amazing campaign and how we think it should play it. Only in a perfect world would that happen.
And only in a perfect world would CONCEPT art be fully be created ingame.
NobleGundam
Banned
Lol please
Exactly. Enjoy all the little things. After completing the campaign, why not venture beyond your objectives? Otherwise it becomes a boring chore. Halo 4 shoving those kill barriers down our throats.
Moa
Member
I'd prefer to keep stopping power, it is a good balance to Sprint, especially considering it is permanent.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Finished my legendary solo last night. Just noticed:
I didn't think it was crazy hard although the crawlers get fucking annoying after awhile. The Knights are a poor enemy, not hard just sponges. I pretty much used the sentry whenever I could find it. Later levels I kept a Saw and IC or binary rifle and kept switching them for regular weapons and using them for the Knights.
By the way, for Halo 5. Let the doors open behind you and stop having weapons disappear from the map especially at checkpoints.
The Eggheads that were wiped out on installation 3 were composed so they are probably in the same place as the people from New Phoenix. I wonder if the Composer running against the ring while Cortana is on it can mean she was cataloged? The Librarian might have done something to her similar to Chief, she does mention them both as being the culmination of all their hard work.
I didn't think it was crazy hard although the crawlers get fucking annoying after awhile. The Knights are a poor enemy, not hard just sponges. I pretty much used the sentry whenever I could find it. Later levels I kept a Saw and IC or binary rifle and kept switching them for regular weapons and using them for the Knights.
By the way, for Halo 5. Let the doors open behind you and stop having weapons disappear from the map especially at checkpoints.
Hypertrooper
Member
I disagree! The problem of the campaign is the Librarian cutscene. The explanation of hers is confusing to the player. The game gives the player way too much information in such a short time.
What is happening in the Librarian cutscene:
- what are the Prometheans
- Didact's goal
- The Forerunner-Human war
- Space jesus
- The reveal of the Composer
That stuff was tried to explain to the player in 5 minutes. Impossible.
http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/27/life-after-epic-getting-to-know-cliff-bleszinski-exclusive-interview-part-three-his-opinions-on-shooters/
Part 3 in a Dan Hsu - Cliffy B interview. In this part Cliffy talks about all the shooters he has played recently. Really good stuff.
Part 3 in a Dan Hsu - Cliffy B interview. In this part Cliffy talks about all the shooters he has played recently. Really good stuff.
I think some of that stuff should've been left up to the player or MC/Cortana to figure out on their own. An info dump is boring, but if the characters had figured it out on their own, through story or through terminals/audio flies/etc, the information revealed would've been more satisfying.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Cliffy B. will revive the arena shooter and imagine if it's with Halo..
HaloGAF take some notes please.
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My bad, was talking about my dreams of replaying Unreal Tournament GOTYE again :b
Not anything specific in the article.
Thug Waffle
Member
Yeah, for me, this part was absolutely brutal. There were so many times in H4's campaign that I thought to myself, "This is awkward. It doesn't feel like a Halo campaign to me."
There was little mystery, which is what I loved about Halo: CE. I think I had better theories about the Forerunners when I was 12 than the 'facts' we've been learned by 343 and their adult, professional writing team.
@unknown
I'm on my phone and for some reason, that link isn't loading. Did he really mention bringing back arena shooters? Some fast-paced, high skill FPS games could really put the genre back on the eSports map.
gAg CruSh3r
Member
Would you stop with all those amazing screenshots.. I might go play some ODST soon -.-....
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
OT, but when you are in a game and the mission is to set pot fields on fire and this song comes on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNiD0Inz7X4. That's genius at work.
This game is really good. When is Halo gonna be good again?
This game is really good. When is Halo gonna be good again?
Poker Face
Member
far cry 3 was boat loads of fun. i loved it
Navidson REC
Member
The Suppressor works wonders against them, even on LASO.
Honestly, I kind of like how 343 at least somewhat toyed with player expectations when it comes to the Knights. Yes, they can be bullet sponges, but only with the wrong equipment. There are many viable alternatives though.
And to chime in on the ODST talk:
I loved it, personally, but one thing really bothered me: The implementation of the (fantastic) music. (This goes for Halo 4 as well, but in different ways.)
Specifically, what I mean is that after each flashback, two things would happen: A) The covenant attacks you, resulting in frantic action. And B), hauntingly beautiful music starts to play. This simply didn't mix well! And the worst part: Most times after I was done with the killing, the music was over as well! So I was left wandering the streets in complete silence - which isn't that bad considering the ambient sound, of course. I still consider it poor implementation though.
Thug Waffle
Member
I thought Knights were mostly easy to dispose of on Heroic and Legendary thanks to the boltshot and sprint.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
Sure, but it was the result of how 343 conveyed the information. They were rather misleading when they talked about the exploration aspect, and then paired that with the concept art trailer.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Loved that mission. The whole game is well done. Jason's personality change is also really good.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Thanks for the article Tashi, very interesting read. Cliff Bleszinski is the man.
Another thing I always thought Halo could use from Gears was the spotting feature:
Another thing I always thought Halo could use from Gears was the spotting feature:
Steelyuhas
Member
Everyone should be repeatedly slapped in the face until they understand the above post.
Creates the same issue as AR vs BR starts. You essentially have starting utility weapons that serve the same role, just one is better than the other.
Disagree. Almost all narrative about the Didact and the Librarian was hidden in terminals leaving nothing but "derp ancient evil wants to destroy you just cause" in the actual game, humanity shows and does classic Halo by being a bunch of one-dimensional idiots, Covy politics is not covered at all they just start fighting you, and Librarian makes Chief invincible god mode something something predetermined destiny to be the shit.
The Chief and Cortana stuff was well done though, until the awful cheesy and makes no actual sense ending.
Cinematography is great, dialogue is solid, and voice acting is as well, so it's presented pretty well, but the actual narrative content is very lacking in my opinion.
YourExWife
Member
Holy shit, Enable went off that game. So clutch at the end!
I'm not even sure if 600 people working on this could feasibly get you that amount of content weekly. New city every week? You're pretty much asking for a better ODST (the game) every week.