Garrett 2U
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poor josh holmes having to try to translate this guy's question
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Halo |OT15| Beta-tested, GAF approved
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metzger203
Junior Member
"who is control the halo universe, halo universe?"
Nah he said this. We did a lot of stuff to make sure the game is good for the babbies and the real Halo fans. We continue to support the game and have actually added a lot of stuff for the hardcore Halo fans post launch. Soooooo actually I guess the game was for babbies only in the beginning.
Imagine this Japanese guy met Frankie? Holy shit he would shit his pants right away
StalkerUKCG
Banned
In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws.
Garrett 2U
Member
THERE IT IS, dat high quality question.
"u didnt discuss why forward unto dawn's layout/design was changed, plz xplain"
"u didnt discuss why forward unto dawn's layout/design was changed, plz xplain"
I guess it helped me as well. I played social on my brothers account for a little while before I got my own and it was good to be matching people on my level since I was pretty bad at first. Guess the stigma around ranked play nowadays scares newer players away however so ranks might not solve the issue of the game being more accessible.
Happy bday broseph. I'll buy the damn game for you if you don't get a code. Forge Island is awesome.
Garrett 2U
Member
343 received feedback from fans that they were looking for gameplay impacting progression, not armor.
WAT?
WAT?
Poker Face
Member
Did he specifically say that fans wanted gameplay impacting stuff or just that armor was too boring?
YourExWife
Member
Hydranockz
Member
For all of, what, 5 matches?
There is no fear of ranked playlists because for some stupid reason every game does EXP based things. I mean it works really well for Call of Duty and Battlefield but not Halo....actually it was something that did set Halo apart from them, it was a game with a decent skill gap but was accessible because of the ranking system that made you play with people in a particular skill level.
YourExWife
Member
He specifically said fans.
Syphon Filter
Member
shit the accessible part doesn't bode well for the future of Halo.
Garrett 2U
Member
They must be talking about the Call of Duty fans that 343 asked about why they don't play Halo.
That must have been it.
That must have been it.
That's 5 matches of your life that you could be using the BR!!!
bobs...onGaf
Member
Missed the panel but I would love to catch it, is there anyway to watch it now?
Hydranockz
Member
So you start playing Throwdown or Swat.
http://www.twitch.tv/gamespot/b/384027257
Starts at about 11:30 in.
Here's the thing, though. They're looking to be welcoming to new players, right? Those five matches are all it's going to take for a new player to get dumped on because he's spawning with an ineffective weapon (I can say with relative certainty that the matchmaking system isn't very good at matching people both by skill range and progression level range) and the people they're looking to invite into the fold are going to walk away. They didn't really lower the barrier, at least not by very much, they just put a new barrier in front of the old barrier.
Don't worry, Destiny is also on PS4. No xbox nextgen if it keeps going like
Because these playlists were aviable at launch right? And this was completely his point right? It as about the progressions system, which some mysterious fans wanted. He just chose the AR for an example
Take the flinch argument and try to talk this away.Wasn't possible at launch, maybe Slayer Pro but I don't remember if that was operational at launch.
Honestly, I see my self being PC/PS4 next gen.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Inisde the small and large island
Now that makes an awesome Skybox! How do you get inside..? I really would like to see some maps made in there.
Yup, agreed.. I think the problem with the Didact could be applied to all of Halo 4's story and new additions TBH. I hope they have learned from it.
It also makes me laugh thinking how they acknowledge making players go to waypoint for terminals didn't work, but then do it for CSR. Apples and Oranges, but I think its still a fair complaint.
:lol
But seriously, I hope not. Halo will be drab without her.
I know he said fans but I thought I heard him say that fans complained about a boring progression system and that lead them to making the gameplay impacting system instead of fans explicitly saying that they wanted gameplay impacting progression. Maybe I just misheard him.
Building a PC right now and also just waiting for the PS4 price announcement or waiting for some good Xbox rumours, but right now I feel the same
The Henery
Member
Find me three posts since the first Reach OT from three different posters who pined for a gameplay altering exp unlock system in Halo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB0C7eeT8Yg&feature=player_detailpage#t=178s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB0C7eeT8Yg&feature=player_detailpage#t=178s
I just need to upgrade from my GTX 470 and my PC will be all good and ready. Waiting for some price drops.
Just push a teleporter through the island wall.
Hydranockz
Member
I'd imagine them trying to match newer players with newer players would have alleviated that, no?
To contrast, I wouldn't ever play Starcraft if I was forced to play the same settings as the pros. Slower game speeds and whatnot. Not using a BR for a few matches (I cannot overstate how few this was, c'mon) helps get people acclimated to just shooting and stuff first. Then you can get to use a rifle and hone that.
Because these playlists were aviable at launch right? And this was completely his point right? It as about the progressions system, which some mysterious fans wanted. He just chose the AR for an example
Does it need to have been? You play a few games, you kill the BR players (cuz AR is an OP POS, right?), you pick up their BRs and you go from there. New players will stick with their AR because it's more accessible.
IHaveIce: Talk what away, it was one shitty decision that hinders gameplay. Pretty much everything else does what they set out to do just fine.
metzger203
Junior Member
lol @ "Stickiest Sticky"
Garrett 2U
Member
"A lot of the feedback we had from fans was around how that (unlocking armor) wasn't interesting to them as a progression system. They were really looking for gameplay impacting progression... We wanted to create a progression system and a reward loop that had a lot of impact."
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
An over-limits green screen map would be hilarious. Imagine if someone made a map from them. >
Imagine if someone made a map from them. >I didn't mean to make it sound like a big issue, it's actually rather small to me compared to the Specializations which are huge issues. It got even worse when anyone didn't play it within the first 2 weeks could be outgunned due to people who had.
Do you think their matching system really works that well? They can try all they want - I've been at 130 for months now and I'm regularly matched with people in the teens and twenties. I have a wealth of combat options that they simply won't have access to for another ten, twenty, thirty hours of gameplay.
The whole rifle thing is really only the first symptom of the problem, it continues to progress from there with the various abilities, perks, whatever. The point is that despite trying to bring in new players, they've put in systems that actively work against that effort. Even just making preset loadouts that are useful would help alleviate the problem, but instead we see things like the HLS/AR loadout in place trying desperately to combat a DMR user. It just doesn't fly. It's why I'm shocked that, despite mentioning it explicitly in talks about guiding new players in, they didn't institute something like Halo 3's Boot Camp.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Thanks a lot!
Hydranockz
Member
Your all-caps post kinda threw me off
I don't think their matching system works that well at all. But if you design something and the implementation is off, does that make the design bad? Let me be clear, the matching doesn't work quite as well as I'd have liked.
Could you elaborate on the other ways it works against that effort? How do the various abilities, perks or whatever counter that player experience?