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Halo |OT16| Oh Bungie, Where Art Thou?

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daedalius

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.. there's a middle ground of questions that were completely ignored. Each question generally closed with a pat on the back. The only hint of criticism of the game was brought up was by Josh himself (which is cool, that he does see problems with the Didact's narrative presence/dissonance).

Sess also seems to throw 2, 3 & Reach under the bus multiple times, while praising 4.

Agreed, lots of reviews pointed that out*
*Solid story bit I could debate with you, I saw plenty of criticism of the Didact/Librarian scenes and confusion.

I mean, Sess was trying to be nice and talk around some of the points, but he obviously wasn't prepared to call out Josh on anything, but what gaming press do?

He totally should have added that 4's story is just as cryptic as 2's and 3s, if not moreso if you don't find every single terminal. A failing of the narrative, imo.

The Didact and Librarian's motivations were impenetrable if you didn't go out to Waypoint and watch the terminals. The terminals shouldn't have been hidden, and perhaps they should have gone so far as to make you watch them, and they definitely shouldn't have made you go to waypoint.

More solid story... wat. I mean... wat.
They might not consciously care about the multiplayer changes, but the population reflects they don't much care for them.

Solid Story? Almost everyone I know who didn't read the books thought the story was an total asspull and lacked explanation. After I told them about the books they said "why do I have to read a book to understand that." And even then the "defeat" of the Didact wasn't done well

The story is like many thing in Halo 4 a good idea that wasn't executed in the best way.

I can't read my friends minds? But they focused on the interaction of Chief and Cortana for the most part, and the situations they found themselves in as the crux of the story, not 'space dude gonna blow up the planet' while even Josh said that was the "A" part of the story, it didn't read as well as the interpersonal drama.

Discussions I've had outside of this forum have mostly been similar, in that they thought the story was more fleshed out and 'better'. Of course, this could simply be for the fact that there was a significant increase in dialogue and cutscenes, and they were at least well executed technically, if not extrapolating necessary story bits well. Emotional beats from characters and clear thematic choices for them (such as Del Rio, dickhead; Cortana, going cray) could also engender this.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
Why does it matter so much to you? Does it really matter?

It doesn't matter that much. I just figured it'd be nice to have an OP that actually shows some information people might find useful as well as puts a good face on the community for outsiders. A Halo OT with some substantial Halo in it would be neat!

The rest of the thread is what matters, but why even put time into the OP if it "doesn't matter?" Seems you put some time into a "funny" one for it being something that seemingly has no value to anyone here.
 
It doesn't matter that much. I just figured it'd be nice to have an OP that actually shows some information people might find useful as well as puts a good face on the community for outsiders. A Halo OT with some substantial Halo in it would be neat!

Why, you dont like the Halo thread updates talking about Destiny?
 

Booties

Banned
It doesn't matter that much. I just figured it'd be nice to have an OP that actually shows some information people might find useful as well as puts a good face on the community for outsiders. A Halo OT with some substantial Halo in it would be neat!

The rest of the thread is what matters, but why even put time into the OP if it "doesn't matter?" Seems you put some time into a "funny" one for it being something that seemingly has no value to anyone here.

OT 17: Deadly Cyclone's Tampon Dispenser

Playing halo 4, people get on
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
Oh yes, I bring up one valid opinion and suddenly it's a huge issue and we all now make jokes about the fact that it was brought up.

Do what you want, make it full of Daffy Duck this time. Just seems like a lot of time was spent making the last few "funny" for it not to matter to anyone...

OT17: Halo.
Post 1: Halo.
Time: 15 seconds.

I guess being a dick and brushing a valid thought under the rug is much easier. It really wasn't a big issue, I was just curious what everyone had against a functional OP.
 

IHaveIce

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Honestly... it wouldn't matter no one would see it anyway.

Funnily enough I think the same thing is true of Elzars penis.
Damn spat my water out at work.
Unexpected lol.


EDit: but yes I also think nobody really cares about the OP and it isn't that important.

So exactly like Elzar's penis
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
You've met several of the people here, right?

Of of course, I know Booties is just giving me shit. I was actually genuinely curious on why the OP can't be functional just because a handful of folks here don't use it. OddOne was going to do one that had updates right? I mean if everyone else doesn't give a shit about the OP, why not give it to him as he seems to care? That way we're not wasting someone else's time by having to make one with a bunch of Bugs pics?

EDIT: I'll be on H4 tonight, Booties, you still be on? Anyone else for BTB tonight?
 
Of of course, I know Booties is just giving me shit. I was actually genuinely curious on why the OP can't be functional just because a handful of folks here don't use it. OddOne was going to do one that had updates right? I mean if everyone else doesn't give a shit about the OP, why not give it to him as he seems to care? That way we're not wasting someone else's time by having to make one with a bunch of Bugs pics?

EDIT: I'll be on H4 tonight, Booties, you still be on? Anyone else for BTB tonight?

I too wouldnt mind a Halo thread where the OP doesn't completely shit on and disrespect the game. You dont have to like the game, but god damn. Best halo community indeed.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
^

Make a thoughtful post. Get bombarded by a bunch of shitty meta posts about whos making the next shitty OT in 20 pages...

Thread is embarrassing.

I read it, it was a good post!

I too wouldnt mind a Halo thread where the OP doesn't completely shit on and disrespect the game. You dont have to like the game, but god damn. Best halo community indeed.

Hey, I don't even care if it's about Halo 4. Just be nice to see some current news and some Halo stuff in it. Heck, post screenshots from Juices and Devo's Reach nights or something. Just bring some Halo back to it.
 

TCKaos

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I've still never gotten any of you to play Firefight: Nightmare Mode with me. On Normal with three other friends I've never gotten past round 2.
 
A Balance of Work in Halo.

Competitive – Find a “flow” of constant engagement. “30 seconds of fun” was a common saying back during the earlier Halo’s, no more…now its 15 seconds of fun. The best most competitive games I’ve seen have had Avg Lives of 15 seconds or less. Allowing a team time to really get a hold of large maps grab all power weapons and survive for long periods of time too often isn’t pushing their threshold they aren’t hitting the edge of their ability. They are bullying at that point, not challenging themselves, not overcoming obstacles. Not being challenged = Boring, it’s scientifically proven!

Creative – Allow players to form their Spartan to be used interchangeably in both MP and SP and (Third gametype) giving an increased sense of development and meaning. This means allow them to build their “card”. Whatever’s the current thing? Call symbol/Clan Tag etc. Allow them to purchase pieces allow them to choose the colors of the pieces. Allow them to earn special pieces through campaign and spec ops feats of strength. Ex: Halo 3’s Katana was actually earned by earning every achievement this took time and perseverance; it was not giving to them by a grind of points. DO NOT CREATE A GRIND. Create a progression.

Explorative – Have a searching field for items, books, logs, terminals. Collect all to learn the story. Have an easter egg undiscovered and untold, something players might find by accident after a long time or search for forever and still be undiscovered.

Busywork – Allow an achievement for X amount of kills.

Now when I type work I don’t mean traditional work I mean the act of action causing excitement. People sitting around are saying “I’m bored” because non-action leads to boredom, we want to keep the player busy but never at our choosing. They will choose. Also players can get burnt out on gaming, after five or six games of Midship FFA you might be fried from all the decision making and hand action. So the player will voluntarily stop. This doesn’t have to mean the end of Halo, there is more work to be done.
Halo isn’t just a game, its an art. You hone your skills, you watch videos to learn the ins and outs of the game. You learn how to best your opponents, worse players have beat better players by sheer determination. Practice makes perfect, and the hardwork will pay off.

So we need some downtime activities.

Theater suggestions:
1. Copy CoD’s auto-montage reel. We need the ability for theater to go in analyze the film real fast pick out your best plays of the game and create a film of it all very quick. Players can save.upload it to their fileshare, suggest the download to friends, and link it online. Three necessary features. Fourth would be upload to Youtube/Waypoint.
2. We need an option to save the file to the drive after a game in the UI. Not two layers in like Reach and H4.
3. We need group viewing back, no one wants to leave a party to view a clip/film. Halo is about socialism. Real world cannot compete with the fact you can instantly be connected to thousands of players through MM. It needs to take advantage of this.
4. We need campaign viewing back. So much greatness happens in campaign, so much art needs to be shown off everywhere.
5. An option to save, and also have your highlight reel or clip viewable on HaloTV.
6. Everyones PoV.

HaloTV needs to be implemented. You need to pick it off the main menu. It will load a screen where you will be taken to viewing options Random, Snipes, Doubles, BTB, Competitive, Featured, So on and so forth, whatever is fitting for the next Halo. From there have it watch a clip, Have a rating system while watching 1-5 Stars to filter out junk and figure out what should be seen more, weight the chance of better files but still have non rated low rated files show up for people so it has a chance to improve score if its actually a decent clip. Have a report button. After some # of reports it will be removed. Files will rotate and never be static anyways. Hopefully make some way to have certain newly finished CLOSE games become part of the pool of files. Allow the option to save the film you are watching. Bonus points if you can randomly throw people into a MM team to communicate while watching Halo TV if they wish to put on their mics.

What the main purpose of this is to allow players to continue playing Halo after they have been fried from active Halo playing. If they don’t have time to or are not in the mood to play a game they can continue their Halo experience.

Regarding the User Interface

Get to a clean H3 presentation with Reach’s UI. Active Roster needs to be back, and not hidden roster. That’s all there’s no debating this. There’s no advantage to the baseball card Microsoft Smart glass touchscreen Windows 8 theme crap that has been created for Halo 4. Nothing is intuitive about it, it takes way too long to figure out and even when you do not much of it makes sense or is quicker. There’s just simply no point to fixing something that wasn’t broken. In fact you took something that was working and broke it. After all this game is about accessibility. Lets make it easy to get where you need to be.

Fresh Content
Now with all this fleshed out we have a game people don’t need to leave, can leave on, and can go from active to low activity moments. Possibly staying on between these swings. Complete this all with a proper working fileshare and Developers Favorites page (Bring back the Bungie Favorites)
You have to keep fresh playlists revolving. Halo 4 put everything it had out from day 1. Grifball was robbed, Flood was put out. Snipers was still snubbed like every release. SWAT was MIA. Then judging by population you took some away and added stuff. When you could have just put all of those as 1 revolving playlist with double credits. People would have came back weekly for the new playlist and it would allow you a testing bed for new playlists. Why you still haven’t added an Instagib is beyond me.
DLC. Halo 4’s DLC has been great the only problem is the map packs seem to be bunched. Crimson was nearly all BTB DLC. When Halo 4 already has an abundance of BTB maps. Spread that out. One BTB One Medium One Small per pack. Each a month or two apart.

Keep People on Their “Edge”

People find themselves having the most fun when they are at the edge of their ability. Think of Tetris a game you literally cannot beat, but people still play. Why? Because the game challenges you, it has a clearly identified scoring system and the AI eventually drops the pieces quicker and quicker until you lose. People don’t care about grinding to the highest Spartan Rank by getting XP whether they win or lose. People want to grind to 50 where they were pushed to their limit and overcame a challenge. This means you’re going to need to bring back a ranking system with instant feedback. You’ll have to figure a way to remove cheating to halt boosting, modding, deranking, and other forms of griefing.
My suggestion would be every other month drop players 5 ranks in every playlist. This doesn’t reset the ranks but allows nobody to sell an account as they won’t be able to get back up to “The Highest Rank” also do not allow a highest rank skill in the gamers “baseball stats”. Reach reset too hard, often by the time you were ranked the season was ending and you’d have to start all over just as you were getting decent Trueskill matches. This allows Trueskill to continue working through “seasons”
I still stick to my guns a system where no one is trying to cheat, is a system that no one cares about. Let them try and game the system; at least they’ll be gaming!

Build a Halo game, not the game that gets a 9.8 on IGN

People played games like Pong, Pac-Man, Breakout, Donkey Kong for hours and hours. These games weren’t graphically rich, the patterns were sometimes very simple to understand and master, yet they continued for hours. They tried to see how long they could keep their game perfect. Halo doesn’t need to be so graphically rich. It can still look good but we need to get the frame rate up. Trying to play a competitive game of Halo while having a framerate that varies is the worse detraction you can have in a game. People need to be able to depend upon the game to let them actually play it. The game should not be playing them. Netcode should be improved upon but Halo should be looking at dedicated servers to remove host advantage and let the players good connections take advantage. Lag compensation should be diminished because of this. Less trading and less bullet eating. This not only increases peoples experience, but motivates players to get better connections, fix their settings, to allow them a better experience, and overall increase the connections for everyone.

Additional Reading here


My god, it's... beautiful. Frnky pls
 

Overdoziz

Banned
dat contribution to discussion.

#hgs
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It's glowing.
 
Just got around to testing it out.

Twitch app works in the UK. Downloaded it on a US Silver account and loaded it on my Gold UK account.

If you don't have a US silver you can grab it from some "places" that upload the apps pop it on a USB with one of the USB tools and then move it to the 360 HDD.
 

Gui_PT

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Just got around to testing it out.

Twitch app works in the UK. Downloaded it on a US Silver account and loaded it on my Gold UK account.

If you don't have a US silver you can grab it from some "places" that upload the apps pop it on a USB with one of the USB tools and then move it to the 360 HDD.

OR, they could make it available in europe!
 
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