biosnake20
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H2A better have those 2 maps that were exclusive to Vista. I don't even care if they're good or not.
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Halo |OT19| 793 Posts, And None Worth Reading
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gaming_noob
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I just tried this and it didn't work. The highest point is to the right of the convent, but the jet pack doesn't last long enough for me to reach on top of the ship. Is there a youtube video of this?
I just found a youtube video. The convenant ship in my game never hovers as low as the youtube video shows. It's impossible to jet pack up there with my copy.
NobleGundam
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I like District. Uplift is meh
gAg CruSh3r
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Well damn, I'm sorry guys. I hope everything gets worked out or something. Thanks for the drama info.
I don't feel like writing up too much about this since it's kind of hard for me to care enough about Halo 4, so sorry if I gloss over some things or if this is badly put together. I don't feel like spending too much effort writing about a game I literally could not care less about.
My main issues are the movement speed increase, The automatic weapon changes, and the Warthog/Mantis machine gun buff.
First off is the speed increase, which seems like a pointless appeal to fans of AGL/MLG/whatever fans without taking into consideration why those groups use 110% in the first place. It's fine to have that movement speed on some of the larger maps, but on, say, Abandon? Combined with Sprint/Thruster/everything else? It's just too fast. Being able to get from one side of the map to the other, from one team's spawn to the other that fast? It's just not what was intended by the map designs, whch semed really obvious to me after playing for a while. Plus, combined with the automatic weapon aim assist reduction it makes melee combat much more frustrating with those weapons (and even with an other weapon). As someone who uses the default 3 sensitivity in every game, the Turbo update made me feel like I'd have to go up to 5 or 6 if I wanted to keep up. It was annoying.
The automatic weapon changes were pretty frustrating too. I'm not the kind of player ho runs around spraying people with the AR all the time, but I do like to use the plasma rifle from time to time, and turbo made that a lot less fun. Obviously the intent was to make automatics require more skill to use (except for, apparently the SAW, which now requires none whatsoever) but the way they went about it just seemed to make it harder to use. On the other hand, buffing the SAW made no sense, as it was already fairly powerful, and fit in with the rest of the power weapons as well as it was ever going to. But apparatly because the AR's bullet strength was increased, the SAW's had to be too? Because it had to be exactly twice as strong as the AR, regardless of what that actually meant? That's an absolutely terrible way to determine a weapon's power. You can't just balance it against one single other weapon, its impact needs to be considered against the entire sandbox. But 343 didn't think so, and the SAW became far more powerful than any aim assist reduction applied to it could account for. Bad logic got bad results.
I don't care to go into much detail on the vehicle changes, as a 35% damage increase kind of speaks for itself. That's an absolutely massive change, and much more than was actually needed. Check out this presentation by Jamie Griesemer for some isight on weapon balancing.
I will say that the DMR nerf was definitely an improvement and the carbine buff was nice, although it didn'tdo much to make the gun any more desirable to use. The Lightrifle buff was probably alright too although really nobody cares about that thing so who cares.
Obviously the biggest thing was making the BR a 4-shot kill. I think this as probably a bad idea. The pace of the game changed drastically because of it, and I don't think it was a change for the better. It's hard for me to say though because this was probably a result of the movement increase as much as anything else. I don't think that the 4 shot kill would have worked with 100% movement though so the whole thing seems like a case of breaking things and then breaking other things to fix them (like with perks, AAs, etc) so personally I wouldn't have changed either of the two.
If I had been in charge of Turbo I would have just gone with the carbine and lightrifle buffs, DMR and Sticky Det nerf, and I guess buffing pulse grenades something worth caring about. Oh and FINALLY reduce Beam Rifle autoaim like 343 said they were going to do but gave up on. But then I wouldn't have been able to spin it into some kind of big "event" and fly out Tashi and Greenskull to blow me on my Twitch channel so
I'm gonna be as honest and fair as I can here. Ignoring the aspects that didn't have an impact on the game.
1. Cgi, yeah I guess it was cool looking? Don't understand why it was needed in campaign but whatever. Spartan ops cg was entertaining.
2. No. The terminals were all story that should have been in the game. I think even 343 admitted this. To make matters worse you have to go on waypoint to even watch them. The terminals were NOT damn good.
3. The soundtrack to this game, at least for me, was largely forgettable. This was due in part to poor mixing and implementation in game. I liked maybe 2-3 songs.
4. Sources needed. It'd be interesting to compare the sustain rates of different games. But they did ramp up in the latter half of the game, especially when bravo was hired.
5. This was fine.
6. This is good. Was reach not 720?
7. Reach did this already. I need to see this side by side I didn't play it and think WOW look how better the mocap is.
8. Turbo was the best thing they did to this game. Great update. Took forever to come out though.
9. Ricochet is so gooooood I love it. Favorite non traditional gametype. What's bowl?
10. Forge island was solid. Wish they gave us a better pallete. Can't complain about free.
11. Majestic was good. Castle, not so much. "Functionally symmetrical!"
12. Global championships were done pretty well, props.
13. Had no impact on the game. Even the chief meeting lasky again was very disappointing in the way it was so nonchalant.
Halo 2 has like 23 maps. No way we're getting all of them, nonetheless the PC exclusive ones.
Man_Flannel
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What is slurping?
my favorite member! (spoiler: you come up in the next halogaf radio)
Man_Flannel
Member
I don't know if I should be excited or terrified.
aHebrewMenagerie
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LMAO i spent the last few minutes trying to find that gif.
Barrow Roll
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Tashi lived on the east coast, 343i is in Seattle, he's literally travelling across the country for this job. That has nothing to do with living in the right location.
Tashi is the guy behind Doubles Pro in Halo 4 and has been championing BR starts, no radar and and symmetrical maps from the get go. He even outright stated that his least favorite gametype was Infinity Slayer when he was the Halo Waypoint Community Member of the Week. Tashi's roots and preferences are firmly planted in OG Halo, just because he's a nice guy doesn't mean he's a pushover.
I don't recall anyone saying he shat on the community, people are just calling him out over a pretty rude comment.
I don't know what his position is, but it probably has nothing to do with design.
No one said that at all. The book thing was brought up simply to stir up some shit, but that doesn't excuse Dani's comment either.
nillapuddin
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the original slurp gif, that embed beauty, was a one of a kind
my life was never the same.
my life was never the same.
Your name. It changes like every other week.
xxjuicesxx
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Umm this is the correct link with years of HaloGAF slrp comments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVeiJwupo4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVeiJwupo4
aHebrewMenagerie
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I feel much more satisfied with this one, I probably won't change it again.
The 1st one was a misspelling and the 2nd one was just because i was dissatisfied with the first one, and I was dissatisfied with that one.
Syphon Filter
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How can you change your name?
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Bold for responses.
Prinz Eugn
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Weird.
They did kind of cudgel the balancing but it was still an improvement over base Halo 4. Faster Halo is pretty okay with me, and harder melee kills I think are hardly worth complaining about. The huge damage boost for vehicles is fine because at least as a driver you will now get a kill or two before before being frozen and stuck by six plasma nades. Turbo's only real problem is the SAW, which even so is fortunately less common now that Infinity gametypes are rarer.
The Real Napsta
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Vista got all of the maps (except blastacular), why wouldn't Xbox one?
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Same Halo as always, get in parties then control the voting to play what you want. Player toggles would give everyone better dynamic vote variants and matchmaking experiences.
Because Vista's maps weren't redone.
unless you're assuming that they'd just port them over straight?
I knew it. You dastardly man, you! Was this one of your cronies? He invited me to a party afterwards as well. No trashtalk though. I left the party disappointed.
nillapuddin
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I do not pretend to know anything about how the maps are made, but Im assuming there is a folder out there on someones computer "../poop/halo2/maps/" that has the OG wireframes and modeling structure
part1: IF they are going to redo the Halo 2 maps, What is the likelihood that they would reproduce it like that, vs recreate it in an entirely (modeling program, engine) based on those measurements
part2: wouldnt that leave out the Anniversary-esque fixes/alterations that CA did to the Halo CE maps? (which in my opinion, were fantastic across the board)
lol, they need to fix that. Why did they turn it on in the first place?
See that's something I think people forget. Some of the maps that were in both CE and 2 have already been remastered. I mean, they might need some more fixing up to fit with the entire H2Anniversary aesthetic, but most of the dirty work is already done.
The amount of internet connection required to play Halo 4 to its full extent is absolutely shitty, shocking, and disgraceful.
You have:
Terminals. It's practically hopeless to understand the story of the game without these unless you know all the lore and everything behind it.* Having to connect to Waypoint is silly and unnecessary. 343 REALLY needs to patch that in an update.
Spartan Ops. SpOps should be playable offline, both in single player and in split screen, just like all other game modes, like campaign, firefight, and even multiplayer (via custom games). The only reason I should connect to the internet is to download the levels in the first place.
If it needs to be connected to the internet because of the CG cutscenes, then why not just let me have the option to download SpOps like any normal DLC expansion? I've got the space on my HDD, so there is no reason I shouldn't be able to do that. If I didn't, then yeah, sure, the internet would be useful. But at least give me that option.
And even though this is not necessarily internet required, it's so badly implemented, you pretty much have to get on the internet and google how to do it:
System link play (and LAN play for that matter). If your system for playing System-link makes players have to check the internet to understand how to use it, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. I still don't really know how to play a System-link game, and me and some friends have tried multiple times. In Halo 3 it was as simple as connecting the two consoles together and then boom, there you go. Why you need to make a mock network or something like that (I don't even understand that) I will never understand. Why can't this work as simply and quickly and easily as Halo 3? Why is the game telling me I have to connect to a network, when by very nature of being system link there is NO NETWORK?!?!
What's even worse is that most of these require a Gold subscription to play, even though they don't necessarily require multiplayer servers or even Xbox Live in the first place by their nature.
Absolutely stupid, frustrating, and crappy.
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* This has to do with the rule of storytelling that every story, episode, entry, etc. in a franchise is your audience's first time ever experiencing it. It basically works like: I should be able to play an entire game (watch an entire TV show episode, entry in a movie trilogy, etc.) without having to go to outside sources or have things explained to me.
You have:
Terminals. It's practically hopeless to understand the story of the game without these unless you know all the lore and everything behind it.* Having to connect to Waypoint is silly and unnecessary. 343 REALLY needs to patch that in an update.
Spartan Ops. SpOps should be playable offline, both in single player and in split screen, just like all other game modes, like campaign, firefight, and even multiplayer (via custom games). The only reason I should connect to the internet is to download the levels in the first place.
If it needs to be connected to the internet because of the CG cutscenes, then why not just let me have the option to download SpOps like any normal DLC expansion? I've got the space on my HDD, so there is no reason I shouldn't be able to do that. If I didn't, then yeah, sure, the internet would be useful. But at least give me that option.
And even though this is not necessarily internet required, it's so badly implemented, you pretty much have to get on the internet and google how to do it:
System link play (and LAN play for that matter). If your system for playing System-link makes players have to check the internet to understand how to use it, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. I still don't really know how to play a System-link game, and me and some friends have tried multiple times. In Halo 3 it was as simple as connecting the two consoles together and then boom, there you go. Why you need to make a mock network or something like that (I don't even understand that) I will never understand. Why can't this work as simply and quickly and easily as Halo 3? Why is the game telling me I have to connect to a network, when by very nature of being system link there is NO NETWORK?!?!
What's even worse is that most of these require a Gold subscription to play, even though they don't necessarily require multiplayer servers or even Xbox Live in the first place by their nature.
Absolutely stupid, frustrating, and crappy.
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* This has to do with the rule of storytelling that every story, episode, entry, etc. in a franchise is your audience's first time ever experiencing it. It basically works like: I should be able to play an entire game (watch an entire TV show episode, entry in a movie trilogy, etc.) without having to go to outside sources or have things explained to me.
Syphon Filter
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wtf i didn't know spartan ops was online only,makes no sense. firefight is both on and offline.
Frankie already said, in order to keep SpOps from being paid DLC content, they made it behind a Gold paywall. Which is a much better idea.
And in order to check for Gold and whether or not you can play the maps (as the first half was opened up on timer/flags from XBL because they were on disk) you need internet.
And in order to check for Gold and whether or not you can play the maps (as the first half was opened up on timer/flags from XBL because they were on disk) you need internet.
It does make no sense.
No. it. is. not. Not for people who can't afford to pay for gold constantly, and not for people who aren't always connected to the internet and just want to play some System link with friends at a hotel or somewhere else where you don't really get internet or at least good internet.
Besides, why not give people that option? If they want to be able to play SpOps offline, then they can pay to actually own it. If they don't, then they can "rent" it via Gold.
If not that, then why not, once the entire series is out, release it as a dedicated DLC expansion pack that people can own if they want?
I want h2a to have all the maps, but I only expect there to be 15 max to be honest. At least almost all of the h2 maps are good. I'd say, don't remake the maps that were made from CE (Warlock, Beaver Creek, Elongation) and then these maps just because the rest of the maps I'd rather have over them (Backwash, Gemini, maybe Foundation)
So my list would go:
1. Sanctuary
2. Midship
3. Ivory Tower
4. Containment
5. Headlong
6. Coagulation
7. Waterworks
8. Lockout
9. Turf
10. Relic
11. Colossus
12. Warlock
13. Burial Mounds
14. Ascension
15. Beaver Creek
IDK actually, 15 seems like a lot haha.
Syphon Filter
Member
I see,although i prefer if it just does not return in the future. Awful mode and firefight should be returning.
I agree, they should've offered it as a separate paid offline DLC, that's a good idea as well. But you can be damned sure, after hearing the quality of the content (no offense, David Ellis & Co) that I wouldn't pay any more than like $10 for Season 1. So I'm happy I got to play it (I never even finished it myself), while paying for Gold.
RIP Firefight, I miss it as well.
The Real Napsta
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wtf @ beaver creek and warlock not being on that list.
Nobody would buy it.
Erg, fine I feel weird with them not being there either.
Beaver Creek and Warlock replace Zanzibar and Terminal
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
I would, provided it was a better of an experience than the Halo 4 Spartan Ops and more like an episodic campaign...
NobleGundam
Banned
Hold on. Why not. Wait for it... Put SpOps Season 1 FREE DLC via XBLG.
Without mandatory paywall to play only.
That way you can play it online and offline.
Without mandatory paywall to play only.
That way you can play it online and offline.
Really? How was it a better idea? I had no gold for about a month or two, all I could do with Halo 4 was play campaign (a campaign with no scoring, theater). There's really no justification for Spartan Ops being Gold only. If that's the only way they could sustain cost/profit margins, I'd rather have Firefight back.
Edit: don't get me wrong, I liked that they tried something new, was new to Halo to have something that expanded on story after campaign, great CGI too, but offline/silver play was a must.
Orochinagis
Member
More like everything sound metalic I was hoping something similar to battlefield where there are different sounds of the same weapon depending of how far you were of the firefight sighly increasing your awarenes in the battlefiled, In Halo 4 it sound like two levels of proximity then nothing.
After I played the second half of season 2, instead of rewinding the entire season they just put the achievements chapters and there you go the rest of the Spartan Ops population.
Syphon Filter
Member
Speaking of podcast, 343 should do one. I liked that Bungie had a podcast ,doesn't have to be every week.
They do have one, called the Sparkcast, but they don't do it too often.
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