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Halo |OT2| Hyper-Athletic Speed And Mass And Weight and Power
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Steelyuhas
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We have a fundamentally different idea of what should be prioritized in an investment system based on that statement.
Reach's investment system: If I look at the wall all game and never attempt to gun my weapon or play the objective, I'm going to get basically the same amount of points as if I donged 60 dudes, had 14 sprees, and captured all the flags for the match.
An investment system based largely on performance: I am actually rewarded for those 60 dongings, 14 sprees, and flag caps. If I stand there and do nothing, I'm not going to get very much.
It's not perfect, but I don't see how the first one is better in any way. Nothing about the first one is engaging or fun in any way.
I see, makes sense. Thanks.
God forbid the game actually rewards good players.
Kibbles
Member
For Reach they did something like every other weekday, iirc.
Hydranockz
Member
ViewtifulJC
Banned
You stick out your tongue every time you post it seems. Weird habit.You'll get your reticules, don't worry
bobs...onGaf
Member
Without that incentive to win people just dont try. It wont make everyone play more seriously, but it would be better than the system we have now. In general matchmaking the vast majority (myself included a lot of times) just dont bother. I think thats clear from the way people play. Theres just no real incentive to win.
As I said before, CoD got the balance right, the players who arent very good can still rank up, but the players who put more into the game get more out.
Hydranockz
Member
Oh shit :q Damnit!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Relax OddOne, this is before they announced Viewtiful Joe 3. Let's wait until after E3, ok?
shinobi602
Member
DAT HYPE.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
The digital Gameinformer Halo 4 issue should be live now, so those who subscribe should go check out the pictures!
She has no clothes. They are always slipping.
Well, I suspect it will share a lot of the same styling that Reach had.. I would say those grunts were less squeaky.
She has no clothes. They are always slipping.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Griefers. The teenage kids who would call us "Tryhards".
Though, thankfully, Activision gives them a different game to focus on every fall.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Pretty awesome considering how little info we've really seen. Chief + Cortana > All! <3
I'm really sad that Last of Us didn't make it into the PS3 top 10. WTF consumers?
Bahahahahahahhahah... you're trust in Capcom is adorable.
VJ3 is going to be made by Ninja Theory, will be a reboot, will be serious and have nothing to do with the previous games.
I can't wait to spend my Spartan Points to unlock new Spartan Ops and Spartan Armor.
I hope it's a placeholder along with the map names.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
![url]](http://i.imgur.com/dAj4l.gif[IMG][/QUOTE]Hey! It [url=http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/ninja-gaiden-3]could be worse.[/url])
That Distraction medal mentioned in GI article pleases me. Very often I feel like I help my team more than the postgame stats/medals give me credit for, because since I lack good aim/skills I usually try to move around the map in unusual ways causing distractions with my positioning for my teammates to capitalize on. Hope 343i implements loads of stuff like that.
Can I buy just the one issue?
neoism
Member
nope no one else should have that decision unless it's customs... I buy the game I want to play it, not get booted by someone for their reasons. Only if I betray.
The Park Ji Sung of the Halo Nation
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Don't get me started on that...piece of garbage masquerading as NG3. I refuse to even say the developers' name out loud anymore. They lost that right.
No matter WHAT happens to Halo 4, I can rest assured knowing it won't be the most disappointing sequel of the year.
Tha Robbertster
Member
I'm pretty sure Microsoft registered Spartan Ops and Spartan Points as trademarks or something like that so I think it's a safe bet these names are here to stay.
Agreed, playing the game alone would become a nightmare. People ganging up on you and kicking you just because a party of friends have the majority.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Apparently the digital issue has some exclusive screenshots that weren't in the print issue. Im not sure what their content is exactly, but it seems people are talking about it on the waypoint forums.
Hm, Im unsure, probably not though. =/
Hm, Im unsure, probably not though. =/
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Yes, they probably have them for sale at Gamestop by now. Just be prepared for them to do whatever it takes for you to buy a Power Points card.
HiredN00bs
Member
The first one is better because it encourages new and inexperienced players to keep playing by giving them feedback for simply playing. Experienced players don't need such encouragement.
Look at this list and weep:
The 360 list has Halo 4, Fable: The Journey and Star Wars Kinect as exclusives.
HiredN00bs
Member
It is a pretty basic idea, but again, we get back to the point of the purpose of a player investment system. It's not for you. It's for the population at large.
Ultimately, they need to devise systems that cater to new, inexperienced players and experienced alike.
Reach tried to do that with the Arena. Performance is everything in the Arena. I'm not implying that its poor performance is because people aren't interested in such systems because there are a lot variables that contribute to the Arena's unpopularity. But it's there.
HiredN00bs
Member
What's not rewarding about being good at the game? You win. Winning is its own reward.
bobs...onGaf
Member
You seem to have skipped past a bunch of my posts stating that the CoD system appeal's to the the mass casual market whilst also allowing the more competitive players to enjoy the fact that playing well is rewarded.
I also disagree with your arguments that the progression system is built to hook potentially the worst players, but thats a discussion for another time.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Holy shit at the new and more clear pictures from the digital issue.
that is all.
that is all.
HiredN00bs
Member
I haven't bobs, I just don't have experience with the latest CoD systems, so I can't really offer commentary on them.
I don't think CoD's success is because of its investment systems. I think it is because of its gameplay. I guess Halo 4 will be a litmus test.
pics
I'd personally rather be rewarded better for playing better; but not get absolute shit for losing either.
Really? You have an odd view of the investment system IMO. It IS for me. I'm the one playing and getting rewards. I want to be rewarded when I do better. Why wouldn't I?
It has new ones from the magazine? WTF GI? I don't like the digital version. I'll get it when they do an iPad app/version.
BackdoorBeauty
Member
Earning my 40/45/50 was the biggest motivation for me in Halo 3. Didn't need credits, armor unlocks, or unicorns.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
I can't tell atm if some are new, or just not cropped so they show more. But wow.
Cortana looks nice, though still no fully body pictures.
Cortana looks nice, though still no fully body pictures.
bobs...onGaf
Member
I totally agree, I was merely saying that the CoD system is exactly what I think the Reach system should have been. Essentially a friend who was pretty poor at the game still managed to hit the max rank simply by playing a lot, whereas by playing well I ranked up quicker. That system really did make him happy, and me happy. I actually think he refused to play Halo 3 because he found it too hard, and by not being able to progress up the ranks he felt like he had hit a brick wall. But on CoD, despite having a ridiculously bad K/D, dieing a lot and generally failing to pick up big scores, he still felt he made progress. I was doing pretty well and ranked up at a much faster rate, which encouraged doing well.
Even if you have no interest in the game you should check the the way they handle the progression system, for me it proves that you can reward skilled players without necessarily punishing new guys.
Going for 45 and then 50 was an incredible journey, and I doubt a pure exp based system will ever come as close. That said I can understand the shift towards exp based systems, ultimately they cater more for the mass market.
Barrow Roll
Member
You actually have the digital copy?
Hotdamnit. (is that a word? who cares)
TS x Massacre
Member
My god, they look GOOD
HiredN00bs
Member
I'll say it again, I believe an ideal player investment system will attract the most people to legitimately play the game as much time as possible, regardless of their skill. This is in the interest of the online game itself (i.e. all players), as match quality is a direct result of the available population.