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[feel]

Sounds really bad and nothing like the Halo I used to love but I don't care at this point. If by some miracle this is any fun to play, cool I'll be there with my friends, if not, there's a ton of other great MP games these days to spend my time on. Those suits look nice.

edit- I hope that all of the options/gametypes/playlists/perks are very easy to understand just by navigating the game's UI

 

[Enfinit]

I am so confused right now.

Me too. This sounds so much more complex than it should be.

 

[Tashi]

Dat Tashi Feeling.

-__________-

 

[TS x Massacre]

This is how i see it.


XP Ranks 1-50
Once you hit 50 you get the option to enlist in a specialization.
Enlist in "Stalker" Go Rank 1-10 Get bonuses ending in a Armor Mod
Enlist in "Operator" Go Rank 1-10 Get bonuses ending in a Armor Mod
Repeat for All 8 Specialization.

Congratz max rank have a special reward.

Nailed it.

 

[Tunavi]

It kinda sucks how 343 keeps getting screwed in articles by other organizations. No one can explain what's going on clearly

I'm convinced IGN is paying for exclusive articles, there's no way 343 would willingly let someone else explain something so poorly when they have their own media outlet

 

[zap]

I am so confused right now.

We need to be able to contextualize these around the rest of the customization and investment suite, but that hasn't been detailed yet.

It's just the 343i way of releasing info, confuse everyone so they can't get as mad as they would if they knew actually what was happening.

 

[Domino Theory]

This is how i see it.


XP Ranks 1-50
Once you hit 50 you get the option to enlist in a specialization.
Enlist in "Stalker" Go Rank 1-10 Get bonuses ending in a Armor Mod
Enlist in "Operator" Go Rank 1-10 Get bonuses ending in a Armor Mod
Repeat for All 8 Specialization.

Congratz max rank have a special reward.

Huh, that makes it sound like it'll take quite a while to get even one of these specilalizations on top of needing to achieve the max rank as a pre-requisite.

I can already rule out getting a few of them because things like vehicle/assassination mods don't mesh with my playstyle. Stability mod for me, then.

 

[Plain Ben]

So. .... there is a perk that allows your to rank up faster, but you can only use it at max rank? I must be reading something wrong.

Pioneer and Wetwork are unlocked from the start, so you can use it immediately at Level 1.

 

[daedalius]

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[GhaleonEB]

We all are.

But don't worry man! Halo 4 is totally awesome.

We need to be able to contextualize these around the rest of the customization and investment suite, but that hasn't been detailed yet.

I think that's the big messaging miss here. This is a detail that should be added to our existing understanding of how the progression and ordnance systems work. Instead it's being dropped in without any context. I have no idea how to fit this into the rest of the systems.

I really hope 343 just up and writes an article for Waypoint explaining this stuff.

 

[Talents]

Wow, round my mates atm, he doesn't even play Halo competitively, even he says Halo is getting screwed over...

I mean, CoD is getting all this special treatment (Spectator mode, ranking system, etc) and we're getting specializations...

 

[lybertyboy]

Huh, that makes it sound like it'll take quite a while to get even one of these specilalizations on top of needing to achieve the max rank as a pre-requisite.

I can already rule out getting a few of them because things like vehicle/assassination mods don't mesh with my playstyle. Stability mod for me, then.

That's pretty much what we said about them on our panel at SDCC and on that podcast.

 

[neoism]

so did the just change the name of the playlists... did they do anyhting else.... I played one game, and it was heavies in btb... :|

 

[L1NETT]

Pioneer and Wetwork are unlocked from the start, so you can use it immediately at Level 1.

Wut? Level 50 right?

Huh?

My brain hurts

 

[Tawpgun]

Hopefully bulletin will explain.

Doesn't change the fact that its all still terrible imo. Just adding unnecessary variables into combat.

"That team won because they knew what weapons were gonna spawn where!"
"That team whored Operator!"

Basically, enjoy the game at launch when its still relatively normal.

 

[senador]

I'm confused too and I hope it's just how it's being explained. I imagine in game choosing and viewing is much easier.

I'm not mad though. Sounds interesting and I'm willing to give it a try.

 

[NullPointer]

Pioneer and Wetwork are unlocked from the start, so you can use it immediately at Level 1.

I am thoroughly confused.

A ViDoc breaking all of this stuff down would be very helpful. Putting out bits and pieces isn't really helping the cause.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

I see Kyle, Juices, BigShow, and Over are on their top game tonight.

Everyone freak out based on basic, poorly-explained information! Before playing the game!

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Why are you so blindly defending them? These ideas all seem terrible...You Halo fans arent supposed to like this CoD stuff and now you are literally defending it as its being injected into your "Halo".

So confused...

 

[User 73932]

This is how I understand it.

Halo 4 as we have known it up until now consists of...

Primary
Secondary
Grenade
Armor Ability
Tactical Package (2 primaries, faster shield recharge, etc)
Support Package (unlimited sprint, increased radar, etc)


Specializations are simply tactical/support packages, armor, etc that you have to work harder to unlock.

I am thoroughly confused.

I believe that those you can start working on obtaining those two specializations at launch. The opportunity to start working to obtain other specializations are't available at launch (well only for LE people).

 

[link1201]

I need a flowchart.

Chort plz

Agreed. I am a visual learner....

 

[ElzarTheBam]

It kinda sucks how 343 keeps getting screwed in articles by other organizations. No one can explain what's going on clearly

This has been a constant criticism of the way 343 have revealed their MP related details.

 

[Fracas]

We need to be able to contextualize these around the rest of the customization and investment suite, but that hasn't been detailed yet.

I think that's the big messaging miss here. This is a detail that should be added to our existing understanding of how the progression and ordnance systems work. Instead it's being dropped in without any context. I have no idea how to fit this into the rest of the systems.

Yep, that's the problem.

We get tossed new information without any explanation, then every few weeks we get a whole new system that is layered into the previous.

 

[Noricart]

Releasing this stuff in tidbits isn't helping. Full MP BTS nao.

 

[Sofa King]

This is how i see it.


XP Ranks 1-50
Once you hit 50 you get the option to enlist in a specialization.
Enlist in "Stalker" Go Rank 1-10 Get bonuses ending in a Armor Mod
Enlist in "Operator" Go Rank 1-10 Get bonuses ending in a Armor Mod
Repeat for All 8 Specialization.

Congratz max rank have a special reward.

So if this is the way it works, when you enlist in the second one, can you still use the first one while working on the other one?

 

[Tunavi]

Hopefully bulletin will explain.

expect funny pictures of grunts

 

[Bronion]

Pioneer and Wetwork are unlocked from the start, so you can use it immediately at Level 1.

No. They are available at max-rank at launch.
The other 8 will be available at max-rank after launch (unless you have the LE).

 

[a zoojoo]

That's pretty much what we said about them on our panel at SDCC and on that podcast.

Will there be a 1-50 system in Halo 4 or some skill based rank system like Halo 3?


God, i feel like kyle/doz1z

 

[Orochinagis]

So, you got the "PRO" version of your armor ability after maxed out the armor ability level?

 

[Enfinit]

That's pretty much what we said about them on our panel at SDCC and on that podcast.

This might be slightly off-topic, but for the love of god, please don't make achievements tied to reached max rank/unlocking specializations.

 

[NobleGundam]

Meltdown. Chaos.
Frankie & David arrive to calm the mini-poopstorm that has engulfed HaloGAF.
Clarifies the mess by explanations.
DeadlyCyclone says wait till tomorrows Bulletin for better clarifications of the specializations features. :3

 

[zap]

Pioneer and Wetwork are unlocked from the start, so you can use it immediately at Level 1.

Is this right? I thought that you had to be max rank first... Otherwise there are too many things just left unlocked for limited edition purchasers. 343 said that you had to still work for the specialisations in the LE iirc.

 

[TS x Massacre]

Hopefully bulletin will explain.

Doesn't change the fact that its all still terrible imo. Just adding unnecessary variables into combat.

"That team won because they knew what weapons were gonna spawn where!"
"That team whored Operator!"

Basically, enjoy the game at launch when its still relatively normal.

But, they're giving up on things such as faster shields or grenade pickup when they choose these mods over the others. It could work out.

Is this right? I thought that you had to be max rank first... Otherwise there are too many things just left unlocked for limited edition purchasers. 343 said that you had to still work for the specialisations in the LE iirc.

Yeah it would make no sense for them to be available at lvl 1.

 

[TurkishDLite]

This is how i see it.


XP Ranks 1-50
Once you hit 50 you get the option to enlist in a specialization.
Enlist in "Stalker" Go Rank 1-10 Get bonuses ending in a Armor Mod
Enlist in "Operator" Go Rank 1-10 Get bonuses ending in a Armor Mod
Repeat for All 8 Specialization.

Congratz max rank have a special reward.

So if I have limited edition, you already have all the specializations?

 

[BigShow36]

That's pretty much what we said about them on our panel at SDCC and on that podcast.

So you're giving pretty significant gameplay-altering boosts, but only to people who play a lot.

Feels Like Halo.



On a serious note though, what are these adding to the gameplay? What was Halo missing before that you felt necessitated these additions?

 

[neoism]

It kinda sucks how 343 keeps getting screwed in articles by other organizations. No one can explain what's going on clearly

shame they just dont doo a video like 10 minutes or more explaining this shit. :/

 

[a zoojoo]

I don't want this in my Halo.......

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Huh, that makes it sound like it'll take quite a while to get even one of these specilalizations on top of needing to achieve the max rank as a pre-requisite.

I can already rule out getting a few of them because things like vehicle/assassination mods don't mesh with my playstyle. Stability mod for me, then.

Pretty sure that's the point, These things are End Game content for MP. Id imagine the Rank Scaling for the Specialization 1-10 is much higher than a stardard 1-10.

Pretty sure all it means is that people who get the LE get the choice of all eight to start from while the other guys are limited to 2. Meaning that the LE people get a bit more choice but its just a nice gift its not going to damage how the game plays or anything. not many people aint going to Max All 8 before the others are released. Its just they get exclusivity to the choices for a bit.

So if I have limited edition, you already have all the specializations?

No if you get the LE you get the choice between all 8 once you hit level 50 while the other people have to wait for a bit. At least that's what i can tell.

See above

 

[JHall]

Trust them they said. It feels like Halo they said.

 

[TS x Massacre]

So if I have limited edition, you already have all the specializations?

In a sense, you can enlist from the '50-60' for any specialization, while non-LEers have to wait until certain specializations are unlocked.

Pretty sure that's the point, These things are End Game content for MP. Id imagine the Rank Scaling for the Specialization 1-10 is much higher than a stardard 1-10.

Pretty sure all it means is that people who get the LE get the choice of all eight to start from while the other guys are limited to 2. Meaning that the LE people get a bit more choice but its just a nice gift its not going to damage how the game plays or anything. not many people aint going to Max All 8 before the others are released. Its just they get exclusivity to the choices for a bit.

Yeah, people need to relax, of all the things announced, 8 new armor mods of which getting just one should take a long time to get is not a big deal at all.

 

[Fracas]

This doesn't feel like Halo.

Not even close.

 

[blamite]

Pioneer and Wetwork are unlocked from the start, so you can use it immediately at Level 1.

No, if you manage to reach level 50 day one, those are the two you can choose from. The others will be added over time, but you need tor each 50 to go into any of them.

 

[Tashi]

So you're giving pretty significant gameplay-altering boosts, but only to people who play a lot.

Feels Like Halo.



On a serious note though, what are these adding to the gameplay? What was Halo missing before that you felt necessitated these additions?

I'm hoping that matchmaking will take care of this.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Freak out? Get a grip, dude.

That was more of a general reference. I'm confused as well, but I'll sit back and wait for the official explanations to come out before condemning everything right away.

 

[NullPointer]

So we now have perks, killstreaks (point streaks) and prestiges. Or some hybrid prestige/challenges.

 

[Plain Ben]

Wut? Level 50 right?

The other ones are released later unless you've got LE, Pioneer and Wetwork are the exception, you get those at launch, which I assume means Rank 1 as well, or else there'd be no point in Pioneer surely...

No, if you manage to reach level 50 day one, those are the two you can choose from. The others will be added over time, but you need tor each 50 to go into any of them.

This sounds right, from the article but then Pioneer specialisation doesn't make sense.

 

[DopeyFish]

I just want to play a game based on halo 2 damnit

Show up, shoot people, rank up. Or show up, die a lot and down rank.

All these complexities are totally unnecessary.

 

[zap]

So can all of these suport packages, ordnance drops, specialisations etc all be removed from a playlist?

I'm resigned to believe there will be one playlist haven that will be mysteriously deleted half way into Halo 4's life and replaced with a 3rd Infinity Slayer playlist :|

No, if you manage to reach level 50 day one, those are the two you can choose from. The others will be added over time, but you need tor each 50 to go into any of them.

This is how I understood it also.

 

[a zoojoo]

So we now have perks, killstreaks (point streaks) and prestiges.

While CoD has Spectator, Streaming, Decent Ranking structure, and more competitive gaming features than Halo ever has had.



HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?

 

[kylej]

Lol soooo blackops 2 gets a rank system, spectator mode, online streaming...

Halo gets call of duty.....

Good enough. Trust 343. They don't have the Bandwidth to do anything else. Very Limited Resources.

Dunno why people are freaking out. I'm sure it will be perfectly Balanced.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

So we now have perks, killstreaks (point streaks) and prestiges. Or some hybrid prestige/challenges.

To be fair Prestige has been a Hugely popular system, You cannot fault them for trying to bring it to halo and giving it an incentive.