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[Steelyuhas]

This seems backwards to me, especially for a MP component. How do you know if your changes are working if you never play them?

They base everything on feedback, both watching others play the game and listening to written and oral feedback about it. The concept is that if you play the game during development, it skews/influences your opinion on aspects of the game as they gradually and dramatically change over the course of development instead of attempting to look at it as objectively as possible.

Not all game designers do this, and even those that do have varying levels of how strict they are about not playing the game of course.


I believe Chris Carney has stated that he never played the Halo games during development.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

This seems backwards to me, especially for a MP component. How do you know if your changes are working if you never play them?

Yea I'd like to read about where this is from and who's done this for which products. It seems a sweeping generalization that seems incredibly wrong. I can see someone getting attached to their creation and becoming impartial to negative feedback but who really gets their head that stuck up their butt they cant see it...

Does anyone have a link for this stuff?

 

[Navidson REC]

I've never gotten all the achievements in any game I've owned except for Reach of course then they came out with more achievements for it.

There was once a time when I tried to at least get all the achievements for all my Halo games.

And it worked out (except for Halo Wars, but that's another story).

But then 343 came up with those brilliant MP achievements... The best thing is that I already did most of these things, but I would have to do them again now.

Yeah, I don't really care anymore at the moment. It would be nice to have them, but some are just so tedious. I really hope that they aren't a sign of things to come. If there's one thing they could learn from CoD, it's to not include MP achievements. Except maybe one or two progress related ones.

Yea I'd like to read about where this is from and who's done this for which products. It seems a sweeping generalization that seems incredibly wrong. I can see someone getting attached to their creation and becoming impartial to negative feedback but who really gets their head that stuck up their butt they cant see it...

Does anyone have a link for this stuff?

Reminds me of writing long papers for college and simply not seeing obvious mistakes because I see what I think I wrote instead of what I actually wrote. I guess it's a similar effect.

 

[Zoolader]

Remember h2 split screen? You couldn't tell which base was which on Foundation.

Yeah but that's not nearly as bad as not being able to see weapons 5 feet in front of you, and textures missing from every object on the screen.

 

[Ryaaan14]

HOLY FUCK, i need to slow down.

No fucking shit? How many times do you plan on realizing/saying this until you actually do something about it?

 

[Zoolader]

No fucking shit? How many times do you plan on realizing/saying this until you actually do something about it?

Well the first step is admitting that you have a problem, the next step is always more difficult.

 

[Zoso Achilles]

So I just noticed, besides this week's mail sack on bungie.net, there's a new letters to the webmaster. Pretty cool, check it out.

 

[a zoojoo]

No fucking shit? How many times do you plan on realizing/saying this until you actually do something about it?

You could just ignore me, i wouldn't care. Apparently it DOESN'T matter what you post, it just matters how much you post.

/sarcasm

 

[Karl2177]

So if every gametype/map combo in Objective had the same weighting, then there's a 0.70% chance of getting a One Flag variant on a Defiant map. I'm not a playlist manager(I hear I'm overqualified for it; I have too much common sense), but those odds of even getting the map to show are just ridiculous. Then add the challenge of the opponents never touching the flag stand's zone to it... It cannot be done without boosting at this point in Reach's lifecycle, especially with the playlist consolidating, DLC non-requirements, and poor playlist management.

I'm gonna join kittens later. Thought you were starting soon.

 

[YourExWife]

So if every gametype/map combo in Objective had the same weighting, then there's a 0.70% chance of getting a One Flag variant on a Defiant map. I'm not a playlist manager(I hear I'm overqualified for it; I have too much common sense), but those odds of even getting the map to show are just ridiculous. Then add the challenge of the opponents never touching the flag stand's zone to it... It cannot be done without boosting at this point in Reach's lifecycle, especially with the playlist consolidating, DLC non-requirements, and poor playlist management.

I'm gonna join kittens later. Thought you were starting soon.

2.5 more hours - 3PM pawsiphik

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

So if every gametype/map combo in Objective had the same weighting, then there's a 0.70% chance of getting a One Flag variant on a Defiant map. I'm not a playlist manager(I hear I'm overqualified for it; I have too much common sense), but those odds of even getting the map to show are just ridiculous. Then add the challenge of the opponents never touching the flag stand's zone to it... It cannot be done without boosting at this point in Reach's lifecycle, especially with the playlist consolidating, DLC non-requirements, and poor playlist management.

I'm gonna join kittens later. Thought you were starting soon.

This is one of the reasons why they shouldn't attach achievements to new map packs, so then also they could make it free later on like Halo 2 and Halo 3 Heroic.

At least Halo is adopting the Season Pass from Gears.

 

[BuggyDClown]

It comes with the LE console, not game.

He might not have 400 bucks to drop
I really hope nothing is locked away either

If thats a trend Ive been missing Im gunna be pissed

Pass.

Oops. I thought that was the game. No wonder I thought it was an amazing deal.

 

[kylej]

people from waypoint have diarrhea of the mouth. we don't have an entire forum filled with places to post; the halo community has one single thread here. slow your roll.

 

[YourExWife]

people from waypoint have diarrhea of the mouth. we don't have an entire forum filled with places to post; the halo community has one single thread here. slow your roll.

Choice quote from a thread at random from Waypoint:

"Squad dlc is my favorite gametype"

...annnnnnnd I've officially had enough of those forums for the week.

 

[dangerbyrnes]

kittens, id be down for customs. if theres room of course.

 

[Fotos]

My last name is pronounced the same way as the FOTUS armor so i feel its necessary to buy it

 

[TheOddOne]

Comes in.
Sees 4 new pages.
Nothing new.
Shoutout to Elzar.

 

[Fuchsdh]

My last name is pronounced the same way as the FOTUS armor so i feel its necessary to buy it

And it's spelled how?

 

[a zoojoo]

I got a part in the podcast where we got some game show music.



























Nuff said.

 

[ElzarTheBam]

HaloGAF customs TODAY at 3pm Pacific (10pm GMT)!

Gonna be awesome. Juniors welcome, lurkers not.

If you have map or gametype ideas, PM them to me by 1:30 PM Pacific!

Sure I'll come on for an hour.

Shoutout to Elzar.

'Sup?

 

[Fotos]

And it's spelled how?

Its Fotos but its pronounced like Fotus

 

[Fuchsdh]

Its Fotos but its pronounced like Fotus

Better than mine

 

[Fotos]

HaloGAF customs TODAY at 3pm Pacific (10pm GMT)!

Gonna be awesome. Juniors welcome, lurkers not.

If you have map or gametype ideas, PM them to me by 1:30 PM Pacific!

would love to play customs

 

[TCKaos]

HaloGAF customs TODAY at 3pm Pacific (10pm GMT)!

Gonna be awesome. Juniors welcome, lurkers not.

If you have map or gametype ideas, PM them to me by 1:30 PM Pacific!

I'm game.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Hey New OT. (internet has been down)

Did i miss ANYTHING?

 

[Fotos]

Hey New OT. (internet has been down)

Did i miss ANYTHING?

Armor lock has been confirmed as a specialization

 

[dangerbyrnes]

Hey New OT. (internet has been down)

Did i miss ANYTHING?

nope.... *tumble weed rolls by*

 

[TCKaos]

Hey New OT. (internet has been down)

Did i miss ANYTHING?

Sodium overdose. No news since the last OT.

 

[kittens]

Customs start in 90 minutes! I think some people saw me online and thought it had already started...

 

[nillapuddin]

Customs start in 90 minutes! I think some people saw me online and thought it had already started...

dang, right when Ill be gone

Well hope you enjoyed the 'Nilla Suite' of forge remakes, I appreciate you letting me give you a tour, if I dont get back in time definitely let me know how it goes!

especially the first full playthrough on Relic, im very anxious lol

1-Flag Master Race!

 

[NobleGundam]

Halo 4- Details:

Disc 1: All Campaign, Theater.

Disc 2: All War Games (MP), Forge, Theater. Start 2 Specializations. 10 Maps.

Dlc: War Games: Map Pass, Start 3 Maps and 9 Maps Total. Specializations 6 (MP)

Dlc: Spartan Ops: Season Pass 1 + "X", Start 5 episodes and 50 Total. Specializations 6 (MP)

Dlc: Armor, Armor Skins, Weapon Skins, Emblems, Avatar + Props. Also Halo 4: FUD.

*Exclusive DLC Varies depending on retailers, Purchase of Halo 4 Game Standard/LE, and Halo 4 Console*
http://www.gamingexaminer.com/microsoft-details-halo-4-pre-order-dlc-specializations-and-war-games-map-pass/17635/#.UC_4Qhoif6c
http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/27/halo-4-spartan-ops-content-detailed/

Please correct me if im wrong and I'll edit asap.

 

[m23]

Halo 4- Details:

Disc 1: All Campaign, Theater.

Disc 2: All War Games (MP), Forge, Theater. Start 2 Specializations. 10 Maps.

Dlc: War Games: Map Pass, Start 3 Maps and 9 Maps Total. Specializations 6 (MP)

Dlc: Spartan Ops: Season Pass 1 + "X", Start 5 episodes and 50 Total. Specializations 6 (MP)

Dlc: Armor, Armor Skins, Weapon Skins, Emblems, Avatar + Props. Also Halo 4: FUD.

*Exclusive DLC Varies depending on retailers, Purchase of Halo 4 Game Standard/LE, and Halo 4 Console*
http://www.gamingexaminer.com/microsoft-details-halo-4-pre-order-dlc-specializations-and-war-games-map-pass/17635/#.UC_4Qhoif6c
http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/27/halo-4-spartan-ops-content-detailed/

Please correct me if im wrong and I'll edit asap.

Where did you get that Disc 1 and Disc 2 info?

 

[Fotos]

Halo 4- Details:

Disc 1: All Campaign, Theater.

Disc 2: All War Games (MP), Forge, Theater. Start 2 Specializations. 10 Maps.

Dlc: War Games: Map Pass, Start 3 Maps and 9 Maps Total. Specializations 6 (MP)

Dlc: Spartan Ops: Season Pass 1 + "X", Start 5 episodes and 50 Total. Specializations 6 (MP)

Dlc: Armor, Armor Skins, Weapon Skins, Emblems, Avatar + Props. Also Halo 4: FUD.

*Exclusive DLC Varies depending on retailers, Purchase of Halo 4 Game Standard/LE, and Halo 4 Console*
http://www.gamingexaminer.com/microsoft-details-halo-4-pre-order-dlc-specializations-and-war-games-map-pass/17635/#.UC_4Qhoif6c
http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/27/halo-4-spartan-ops-content-detailed/

Please correct me if im wrong and I'll edit asap.

I heard disc 1 was everything and disc 2 was limited edition stuff

 

[NobleGundam]

Where did you get that Disc 1 and Disc 2 info?

From observing the LE images and whatever sources to clarify. It reminded me of Halo 3 ODST with both discs being different. So if anything in the list is mistakened, I'll correct it asap. Not to misinform anyone if it is incorrect.

 

[.shin]

Customs start in 90 minutes! I think some people saw me online and thought it had already started...

Shoot me in an invite when you guys are ready. I'd like to play.

GT: COLD DOG

 

[BuggyDClown]

Okay wait. Looking online and at these descriptions it seems I was right. The LE GAME does come with the future map DLC. NOT just the console.

 

[Enfinit]

people from waypoint have diarrhea of the mouth. we don't have an entire forum filled with places to post; the halo community has one single thread here. slow your roll.

At least attempt to become part of a community before you talk shit about it. I'm most active on Waypoint, and the people I've met and developed friendships with are awesome individuals.

Waypoint at least as the dignity and respect to not bash other communities. HaloGAF is one of the most respected and best Halo communities, you're better than teenage let's-talk-shit-about-others drama. Your stereotyping an entire community based on the few (many) bad seeds in the Halo 4 forum. Have you gotten to know any of the Waypoint regulars outside of that forum? No. That's like saying the entirety of HaloGAF are negative, narcissistic individuals because I'm just going off what you post regularly.

If you don't like Waypoint, don't talk about it. You don't like me because I'm from Waypoint, don't talk to me. I don't trash your community, don't trash mine. It's as simple as that.

inb4clichekylejbeinganinternettoughguyandpostingbutthurtmemes.jpg

 

[TCKaos]

I believe Chris Carney has stated that he never played the Halo games during development.

So that's how The Cage happened.

 

[Hypertrooper]

Okay wait. Looking online and at these descriptions it seems I was right. The LE GAME does come with the future map DLC. NOT just the console.

The console does not come with the future map DLC. If you want the maps, you have to buy the Limited Edition.

 

[a zoojoo]

At least attempt to become part of a community before you talk shit about it. I'm most active on Waypoint, and the people I've met and developed friendships with are awesome individuals.

Waypoint at least as the dignity and respect to not bash other communities. HaloGAF is one of the most respected and best Halo communities, you're better than teenage let's-talk-shit-about-others drama. Your stereotyping an entire community based on the few (many) bad seeds in the Halo 4 forum. Have you gotten to know any of the Waypoint regulars outside of that forum? No. That's like saying the entirety of HaloGAF are negative, narcissistic individuals because I'm just going off what you post regularly.

If you don't like Waypoint, don't talk about it. You don't like me because I'm from Waypoint, don't talk to me. I don't trash your community, don't trash mine. It's as simple as that.

inb4clichekylejbeinganinternettoughguyandpostingbutthurtmemes.jpg

Lol it's not HIS community.

But yep this is completely true.


But then again this is kylej we're talking about, he's not so good at adaptation.

I heard disc 1 was everything and disc 2 was limited edition stuff

I doubt that highly, that would be ALOT of LE stuff.

 

[nillapuddin]

The console does not come with the future map DLC. If you want the maps, you have to buy the Limited Edition.

isnt that such a tragedy, I would almost make the horrible financial decision to buy that console if it came with the LE game inside

 

[BuggyDClown]

The console does not come with the future map DLC. If you want the maps, you have to buy the Limited Edition.

No I know that. The page back I asked why you wouldn't buy the LE game, and I was told because not everyone has 399, and that it only comes with the console. I was corrected incorrectly. I had the right information.

I'm going to go cancel my GameStop LE order though since I'm getting the console there, I should get the game from Bestbuy so I can get the other armor/skin.

isnt that such a tragedy, I would almost make the horrible financial decision to buy that console if it came with the LE game inside

Lol it is. Now I have to get the game separate from the system, I'm going to trade in the standard edition from the console bundle towards the Le though to save a bit of money. I need a new Xbox though, I can't keep deleting games to make room for arcade titles/installs.

 

[Louis Wu]

Um... I'm all for peace, love, and understanding, but...

Waypoint at least as the dignity and respect to not bash other communities.

This is laughably (and verifiably) false. I haven't spent a LOT of time there, but I've seen plenty of immature and unwarranted community-bashing. (I'm not saying they're worse than any other community - I'm simply saying they're not any better.)

Kyle wasn't saying anything that a few dozen other posters hadn't already said - he just attributed the problem to Waypoint juniors, instead of juniors in general.

As a set of guidelines I used for a while said: "if the shoe fits... wear it. If not - throw it away."

If his complaint doesn't apply to you, ignore it.

 

[YourExWife]

As a set of guidelines I used for a while said: "if the shoe fits... wear it. If not - throw it away."

 

[Tashi]

At least attempt to become part of a community before you talk shit about it. I'm most active on Waypoint, and the people I've met and developed friendships with are awesome individuals.

Waypoint at least as the dignity and respect to not bash other communities. HaloGAF is one of the most respected and best Halo communities, you're better than teenage let's-talk-shit-about-others drama. Your stereotyping an entire community based on the few (many) bad seeds in the Halo 4 forum. Have you gotten to know any of the Waypoint regulars outside of that forum? No. That's like saying the entirety of HaloGAF are negative, narcissistic individuals because I'm just going off what you post regularly.

If you don't like Waypoint, don't talk about it. You don't like me because I'm from Waypoint, don't talk to me. I don't trash your community, don't trash mine. It's as simple as that.

inb4clichekylejbeinganinternettoughguyandpostingbutthurtmemes.jpg

Sooooo Bnet 2.0?

 

[Slightly Live]

The lesson to learn here is that Wu is pretty anal about snug fitting shoes.

 

[Louis Wu]

The lesson to learn here is that Wu is pretty anal about snug fitting shoes.

Dude - toe comfort is IMPORTANT.

 

[Enfinit]

This is laughably (and verifiably) false. If his complaint doesn't apply to you, ignore it.

Community-bashing, again, only can be applied to the bad seeds and spontaneously active users mostly found in the Halo 4 forum. Not ONCE have I seen any negative comments about another community come from the active and core members of the Waypoint community. When I refer to the "Waypoint Community," that's what I associate it with - the active and core members.

When he talks negatively about a community, moreover a community that I strongly identify myself with, it does imply to me, and I'll defend it. He didn't say "zoojoo has diarrhea mouth," he said Waypoint. Not to mention Waypoint is way, way more accepting of new members who wish to join their community.

Regardless, I really enjoy both communities. I respect and look forward to reading GAF's (even kylej's) more, however that doesn't mean one's better than the other. It has nothing to do with having comfortably sized shoes. It's a matter of respect.

 

[Tawpgun]

Dude - toe comfort is IMPORTANT.

One of my proffesors wore these. Looked really wierd being in a shirt and tie with these on.

And to make this post Halo relevant... How the hell do spartans walk in those boots. Seems like ski boots.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

This place