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Halo |OT8| A Salt on the Control Room
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Steelyuhas
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People have skipped over the Covy weapons because for whatever reason, Bungie has always made most of the Covy weapons blatantly inferior to the UNSC ones.
Hopefully 343 bucks that trend.
So what if my team does the same? See my post above... we have a clash over the power weapon and the winning team in that interaction profits... as they should. In your example, you out-played the other team.
Now - modify the rate of spawn, number of shots, and make dang sure the spawn point makes sense... and it's a weapon well designed.
The power of the laser was never the problem...
@Steely... no, it's not rock, paper, scissors game play. Those that hate it and defend it because they "want interesting vehicle-anti-vehicle combat" almost universally have the root of their argument in "it kills me too easily". Both sides DO have control over the game play, and in fact there is more control available with the laser in the game... and that's what many people decry. They think that control is bad. They despise seeing a team with a power weapon AND vehicles and blame the problem on the weapon rather than their own inability to control it, or the other team's ability to do the same.
It's over powered because it doesn't warn me
It's over powered because I am in a vehicle and I should be able to kill easily
It's over powered because it too easily kills me
It's over powered because the other team could get it
It's over powered because it's not interesting/nuanced enough
Those are the thoughts portrayed when hating on it...
I totally agree that it had too many shots, that on many maps or types there were too many of them placed, and perhaps even on too fast a respawn... but that's the end of the issue for me.
Power weapons should be powerful... they should not be slow, ineffective, or weak in any way. They should be modified by how many are placed, where placed, and amount of ammo. Then let two teams go at it and let the better team slap the worse team.
PS: Have I ever stated how much I love laser debate? It's almost a sure bet I'll post when I see laser posted. Now - I must work.
Also true, though i wouldn't be surprised if some people simply don't use "because aliens".
Ah, Halo Reach beta Covie weapons... the Plasma Repeater, Needle Rifle, Plasma Pistol and Plasma Launcher, all so damn good.
Each one was nerferd for retail, in the Plasma Pistol's case its normal shot damage was nerfed needlessy, people rarely used that function in the beta.
I laughed too.
But maybe they have +1s to some company's private cocktail party. Though it's hard to believe those guys wouldn't have some buddies that they would bring in to some cocktail party with them instead of unknown randoms off twitter if that were the case.
Steelyuhas
Member
It's not about the power of the weapon for me, it's that it's a horrible weapon. It's an automatic kill, if I have the laser the other team can't use vehicles, period, and vice versa. That is rock-paper-scissors balance right there, there is no skill gap, there is no chance for either side, it's a pre-determined outcome.
Weapons like the Plasma Pistol, nades, brute shots, railguns, plasma launchers, rockets, etc give both the anti-vehicle and vehicle players room to execute an attempt at either destroying a vehicle or avoiding being destroyed. Gives more control to the player, gives players out and in vehicles more challenges and more interesting combat scenarios.
I would agree that there's a possibility that some of it is people just gravitate to the UNSC weapons because they are the human weapons.
Shame nearly everything in the Covy sandbox was nerfed for Reach retail, much better balance in the beta.
Its not that it's necessarily overpowered... Though I think it is...
Its that it feels super cheap. You can get killed from anywhere on the map instantaneously. Just wasn't fun to get killed by that thing. Lock ons were much more interesting. Do you fire normally or spend an extra few seconds locking on. You can see the projectile coming.
Its that it feels super cheap. You can get killed from anywhere on the map instantaneously. Just wasn't fun to get killed by that thing. Lock ons were much more interesting. Do you fire normally or spend an extra few seconds locking on. You can see the projectile coming.
I mostly agree with this.
I will also add that if the Laser must exist, let drivers have some kind of defense. Maybe flares or something.
Flares would be useful against missiles...
Smoke screen for more all around defense?
Yes Flares on a WartHog wouldn't look weird at all
Franklinator
Member
so you want a counter to the laser, which is a counter to a vehicle
The smokescreen idea is the only one that would work without being super fan-wanky.
This is someone else's idea, but I'd be fine if they just took the laser and made it like the focus rifle. You have to hold down for a second or two (after a short charge time, still).
Edit: Also, a smaller hip-fire reticule would go a long way.
Lol it obviously wouldn't be actual flares. Like a jammer or something.
I don't want the laser in at all, I'm just saying it either needs to be nerfed, or vehicles need a better defense.
Read above brah
I was thinking more along the line of if you start charging the laser, there's no stopping it, its gonna fire.
And at the same time your vehicle will give you a warning that there's a large energy spike in the local area.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Yea I'm in and have always been in the Laser sucks total ass and should not have ever been added camp. Ruined Vehicular combat in halo totally. I'd even take the insane rocket lock on rocket before I'd take the laser.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Great Scott!
When this baby reachs 88 mph were going to see some serious shit
Joke post?
Teams could jump out to 50+ point leads because of one single encounter that happened in the first few seconds of the match, laughable to try and defend something like that.
2 evenly matched and equally skilled teams?
My appreciation for anything FUD based is a direct exponent of how I'm feeling about Halo 4, so the video could've been the Master Chief playing tennis with a young Sergeant Johnson and I'd still have been ambivalent as fuck. The extent to which 343 are botching the promotion and unveiling of Halo 4 is sapping all my excitement for the franchise and it's expanded fiction.
FUD's a nice cherry on top of the cake, but without the cake it's just a cherry, and I'm fucking starving.
FUD's a nice cherry on top of the cake, but without the cake it's just a cherry, and I'm fucking starving.
That very rarely happens in BTB. I was on the side that stomped teams 90% of the time, and I can still say it was a broken mess. It was hilarious, but completely backwards.
The Real Napsta
Member
The Laser isn't OP, its a power weapon to control, just like anything else.
Don't have laser? Don't get in vehicles until you do. Simple.
Don't have laser? Don't get in vehicles until you do. Simple.
An issue with this is that many maps are very difficult, if not impossible to control without either power weapons or vehicles. (Along with small idiotic things like Spartan Laser respawning while one is still in use with ammo)
But of course it could be argued this is a map design issue, giving too much weight for power weapons or vehicles.
Me, i don't have any real problem with the laser, i'd just make it somewhat easier to detect and nerf it slightly (one less shot, no scope).
Hitmonchan107
Member
I finally bought the EDGE Halo 4 magazine. Money well spent.
The Real Napsta
Member
Having all the dlc makes it easier to get matches on dlc from my experience. I get matches on dlc semi regularly.
haha - yeah same here. FUD looks cool but that one Bulletin we got about it a few weeks back I was kinda upset that it took the spotlight off of potential H4 news.
Just read it at the shop.
Great Scott!
Lolol H3!!
Anywho, getting CS GO tonight on PC. Add me if you guys wanna play. Steam name same as XBL GT
FyreWulf, did Halo have GI? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41459031&postcount=726
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Got to say I like the laser, it promotes power weapon control it's useless in face to face contact and it's exclusively a vehicle counter for the majority of maps it's on, it's barely effectI've on a map like construct because it's so tight.
Rockets are a much worse offender in most smaller maps but even those are fine
4 shots and a longer charge time should help towards balancing
Rockets are a much worse offender in most smaller maps but even those are fine
4 shots and a longer charge time should help towards balancing
Come play it on Xbox instead...
Hitmonchan107
Member
The entire magazine is well-written and worth picking up. EDGE tells it straight -- i.e. their remark about the community's reaction to Halo 4's multiplayer. I love their willingness to point out troublesome areas, unlike other magazines that pretend every game is the Next Big Thing. If a publication as reserved as EDGE is excited about Halo 4, my hype is exponentially increased.
aiming is too easy on PC. Real pros play on Xbox. Get on our level scrub.
thezerofire
Banned
steam name is thezerofire, your night is sooner than my night so add me
Yes it did, even Halo 2 has a simple version of it
People like to downplay the technical feats of each Halo engine for some reason that I'll never understand. But then again I knew something was up when that poster claimed Halo 3's shadowing was non-existent.. because it's definitely there.
Didn't Halo 3 tesselate the water? And Reach doesn't?
EDIT someone compared Halo 3 and Reach water in that same thread Plywood linked.
You playing tonight?
higherARC05
Banned
They both tessellated water. Just that in HALO 3 the water was interactive to a great part in all water found in the game.
Reach had interactive water but it was limited to some locations. But you can glitch the water where it wasn't suppose to interact by getting your torso in the water like in the first level in the river. Some reason the artists/engineers wanted to limit the interaction but it was still the same tech as HALO 3.
edit- And yes Frankie, I spend loads of time exploring and experimenting every single thing in any HALO game. So your water in HALO 4 better be lick-a-licious
Ah, i see. I guess the interactivity ate resources too much?
A shame really, water in Halo 3 was so great.
Nah I always played CS on PC. Better competition there too.
Don't know when I'll be home tonight but I will definitely do that.
nillapuddin
Member
Can the water in Reach carry weapons and stuff along a "current"?
I distinctly remember BR-ing a player with a shotgun on Valhalla on the stream, then someone else came at me, as I went to reload I accidently held it to hard and picked up the guys Shotgun and 1-shotted my attacker, we were like 10 or more feet down from where I started
Watching the replay was pretty awesome, the shotty literally followed me down stream
I distinctly remember BR-ing a player with a shotgun on Valhalla on the stream, then someone else came at me, as I went to reload I accidently held it to hard and picked up the guys Shotgun and 1-shotted my attacker, we were like 10 or more feet down from where I started
Watching the replay was pretty awesome, the shotty literally followed me down stream
YourExWife
Member
Wow - that graphics thread is just one big circlejerk exercise in pedantry.
Back to Halo: mastrbiggy despises jetpacks.
Back to Halo: mastrbiggy despises jetpacks.
The "better competition" is because everyone can aim with a mouse lol, not because there are so many skilled players.
@ Ray... I'll be on... just not sure when.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The answer is clearly Rayman Origins, anyway
or perhaps Yoshi's Island
It's not all about fancy shaders and lighting effects, ya know
ArchedThunder
Banned
Hur Dur Halo 4 looks bad
Hur Dur bullshots.
Franklinator
Member
I believe it can, or has the ability to. It was mentioned in the Legendary commentary for Reach that there used to be a bug in the first level where Noble Team would get washed down the river because they were considered light enough for the current to pick them up
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