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[Gunnerdude]

Tashi has convinced me to actually post now and again and not just be a pervy lurker

Please be reasonably kind... I get enough verbal abuse (poorly-executed, mind you) from the bald Scottish man sitting across from me. Who knew such horrors could come from the mouth of someone with the gentle name of Francis?

Are we going to see some of you folks tomorrow night?

Welcome to Juniorhood, from which there is no escape!

One of us! one of us! one of us! one of us! one of us!

Oh yea and welcome to HaloGAF and all that.

 

[thezerofire]

While the layout of it seems fine, the problem is that above all maps it encourages the use of the jetpack and armor lock more then ever. Every match I have also played boils down to people camping in the showers.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone camp the showers. It's basically the easiest place to flush people out from with grenades.

Also, I'd say that Uncaged encourages jetpack use more than any other map.

I've played a lot of Powerhouse, and I've never seen anyone try to camp the shower area, it's a grenade death trap. Jetpackers are usually easy to take down as well unless it's a great team.

nice

 

[Devolution]

Uncaged encourages jetpacking the most but countdown has the most annoying spots for jetpackers.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Uncaged encourages jetpacking the most but countdown has the most annoying spots for jetpackers.

AA's break map flow, Countdown and to a lesser degree Uncaged would of been fine maps if AA's did not exist now they are just a clusterfuck of abuse.

 

[Striker]

Still don't get why people like Powerhouse. What a godawful map.

It would've been a very nice objective map if they redesigned the Powerhouse building. I'm still not sure why they did not in the first place. It's not as if the building held any sort of importance for switches, AI, and so forth in the campaign. King of the Hill was fairly fun in the beta on it, but again, they opted for Stockpile and Headhunter. One of the absolute many examples of Bungie log-jamming gametypes in any map they please (hello Ghost Town).

It's one of the best ones we've gotten in the Reach-Halo 3 era, although I still feel that's something that's been incredibly underwhelming. So many turds, too many, really.

Then there's people who seemingly adore Isolation and Snowbound, so alas.

 

[heckfu]

AA's break map flow, Countdown and to a lesser degree Uncaged would of been fine maps if AA's did not exist now they are just a clusterfuck of abuse.

Do you really mean what you just said?

I mean...do you?

 

[kittens]

I like Countdown! In MLG.

 

[TheOddOne]

I've played a lot of Powerhouse, and I've never seen anyone try to camp the shower area, it's a grenade death trap. Jetpackers are usually easy to take down as well unless it's a great team.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone camp the showers. It's basically the easiest place to flush people out from with grenades.

Also, I'd say that Uncaged encourages jetpack use more than any other map.

I seem to attract a lot of crazies during my matches then

Every goddamn time, camping with the grenade launcher and/or hammer.

 

[LD2k]

AA's break map flow.

This was my biggest issue with them. Most maps did not accommodate ALL of them (I know easier said than done), but look at Reflection, for example, the AA's make that map not enjoyable... at all imo.

 

[thezerofire]

Uncaged encourages jetpacking the most but countdown has the most annoying spots for jetpackers.

I think they should have put a hard kill zone on top of that little area at the top of the map, but aside from that I don't know where else is only accessible by jetpack. You can jump to the roof of the building that houses the hammer

 

[Devolution]

AA's break map flow, Countdown and to a lesser degree Uncaged would of been fine maps if AA's did not exist now they are just a clusterfuck of abuse.

Uncaged would still be shit. Countdown would be okay but it's still one of those maps where you can just troll people by staying up top. A lot of the maps in Reach don't really offer proper alternatives to flanking or easy ways to nade the top from the bottom so you can reclaim territory.

I think they should have put a hard kill zone on top of that little area at the top of the map, but aside from that I don't know where else is only accessible by jetpack. You can jump to the roof of the building that houses the hammer

Light poles outside. Dealt with it during a KotH game. Still managed to win though.

 

[User 73932]

So who's ready for Pax Prime?

That is going to be one long line. Perhaps worse than E3.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Do you really mean what you just said?

I mean...do you?

Countdown yea, Uncaged not so much but it would be much more playable if the gameplay was akin to H2/H3.

 

[squidhands]

AA's break map flow, Countdown and to a lesser degree Uncaged would of been fine maps if AA's did not exist now they are just a clusterfuck of abuse.

Nothing could salvage Uncaged. Nothing. I would rather play an hour-long match on Backwash with 15 other camouflaged players than ever touch that map again.

 

[Ajemsuhgao]

That is going to be one long line. Perhaps worse than E3.

The line will move faster than E3 at least, since they don't have to take them into the theater and show off campaign/brief them in MP.

 

[Devolution]

Nothing could salvage Uncaged. Nothing. I would rather play an hour-long match on Backwash with 15 other camouflaged players than ever touch that map again.

Uncaged and Sword Base are my least favorites. Nothing can help those maps out. I feel like too many enclosed spaces and too much restricted movement (like the bridges on uncaged) are fucking disastrous to this game. The reason Lockout is better than Uncaged because you have a couple ways to move and ways to nade people camping the upper levels. And you have well conceived jumps that make for several ways to get up and over the map.

 

[Vire]

Nothing could salvage Uncaged. Nothing. I would rather play an hour-long match on Backwash with 15 other camouflaged players than ever touch that map again.

Ouch...

 

[thezerofire]

Light poles outside. Dealt with it during a KotH game. Still managed to win though.

which ones? a lot of those are jump-able

 

[Striker]

Countdown yea, Uncaged not so much but it would be much more playable if the gameplay was akin to H2/H3.

If you want small areas of the maps where majority of the battles took place and lots of lifts, go play Construct. Same grenade spam, same type of map where Swords sit by a lift.

 

[ElzarTheBam]

Nothing could salvage Uncaged. Nothing. I would rather play an hour-long match on Backwash with 15 other camouflaged players than ever touch that map again.

Believe or not I've played this before, with 12 people, PP starts.

 

[Orochinagis]

That is going to be one long line. Perhaps worse than E3.

I remember the Battlefield Bad Co 2 line,being in the line for 25 mins just play 5 minutes in the sand map then the match suddenly ends and go away.

 

[The P of Poland]

Spoiler

I like Sword Base.

Edit: Well, go on, Elzar, how bad was it? Worse than Uncaged?

 

[ElzarTheBam]

Spoiler

I like Sword Base.

Edit: Well, go on, Elzar, how bad was it? Worse than Uncaged?

Not as bad as uncaged. That's saying something.

 

[Devolution]

which ones? a lot of those are jump-able

The ones right above the lift outisde, I don't think those are jump-able at least not from what I've seen.

 

[YourExWife]

I don't code games so I can only speculate, and I also don't give a damn about customizable controls, but I don't think the give reason is accurate. Whether it was just told to us as a reason, or a developer told it as an excuse or something else, I don't buy it. Surely they are already only sending inputs over and not the actual button.

^^^
That's the issue that those of us who aren't fresh into their programming education/careers keep having a problem with. You can BS the masses or BS beginners, but those of us with experience can't see how the excuse makes logical sense...

There are actually quite a few coders in HaloGAF. Me, thezerofire, Karl, Zeoterlimits, Der Flatulator, Tashi, Bobs, Fyrewulff, Hydranockz, and Louis Wu are the ones I remember.

junior coder here

Me too.

 

[Stinkles]

The line will move faster than E3 at least, since they don't have to take them into the theater and show off campaign/brief them in MP.

if you think about it practically the theater is part of the line chronologically and has very little effect on overall duration.

 

[thezerofire]

The ones right above the lift outisde, I don't think those are jump-able at least not from what I've seen.

I missed the Countdown in your original post, and it took me the longest time to try to figure out where the lift was on Powerhouse. I agree, those spots are really annoying

 

[Ajemsuhgao]

if you think about it practically the theater is part of the line chronologically and has very little effect on overall duration.

If I remember correctly you guys were bringing people into the theater as you were moving the people that were already in the theater into the next room to actually play the game. If the timing was perfect that would be a great system. But I distinctly remember some pretty long gaps between people coming out of the game room, and more people being moved into the theater.

But then again, it could've just felt long because I wanted to play the game again so badly. Who knows.

 

[JHall]

Believe or not I've played this before, with 12 people, PP starts.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

 

[heckfu]

if you think about it practically the theater is part of the line chronologically and has very little effect on overall duration.

If you think about it practically, I'm going to be in line regardless.

yes.

 

[The P of Poland]

I missed the Countdown in your original post, and it took me the longest time to try to figure out where the lift was on Powerhouse. I agree, those spots are really annoying

There is a lift on Powerhouse?

 

[Stinkles]

Tashi has convinced me to actually post now and again and not just be a pervy lurker

Please be reasonably kind... I get enough verbal abuse (poorly-executed, mind you) from the bald Scottish man sitting across from me. Who knew such horrors could come from the mouth of someone with the gentle name of Francis?

Are we going to see some of you folks tomorrow night?

This is the worst batch of Juniors in history.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

HaloGaf shirts = skipped line?

 

[squidhands]

Uncaged and Sword Base are my least favorites. Nothing can help those maps out. I feel like too many enclosed spaces and too much restricted movement (like the bridges on uncaged) are fucking disastrous to this game. The reason Lockout is better than Uncaged because you have a couple ways to move and ways to nade people camping the upper levels. And you have well conceived jumps that make for several ways to get up and over the map.

Well said. When it was revealed that The Cage design was from a rough draft of Lockout, I was kind of baffled as to why it was revisited at all. Lockout is an exception to the rule of narrow walkways leading to platforms being bad map design. Long narrow anything is bad map design, as Sword Base proves so wonderfully.

Believe or not I've played this before, with 12 people, PP starts.

Was this on LAN? I tried it way back with 3 other people over xbl, and the second someone grabbed camo the entire map turned into a slideshow.

 

[Stinkles]

HaloGaf shirts = skipped line?

Oh sure, I will just tell that to all the other communities that traveled across the world to stand in line.

 

[Tashi]

Oh sure, I will just tell that to all the other communities that traveled across the world to stand in line.

But you're a HaloGAF member soooooooooo

 

[Slightly Live]

Oh sure, I will just tell that to all the other communities that traveled across the world to stand in line.

Make sure to give the Waypoint forums users the NeoGAF url when you do.

I hate PAX time. So much fun I'll not be having. =/

 

[heckfu]

Oh sure, I will just tell that to all the other communities that traveled across the world to stand in line.

Wow, that's awfully nice of you!

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Halo 3 map tier list

Halo 2 tier:
Valhalla
Valhalla
The Pit
Guardian

Good tier:
Avalanche
Ghost Town
High Ground
Narrows

Ok, whatever tier:
Sandtrap
Last Resort
Heretic
Construct

WTF DID THEY DO TO LOCKOUT!? tier:
Blackout

Halo Reach tier:
Isolation
Epitaph
Snowbound
Isolation

Isolation is so bad, it's on the list twice. Vice versa for Valhalla, that glorious BTB map that I could play forever.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

Oh sure, I will just tell that to all the other communities that traveled across the world to stand in line.

Forerunner time crystals.

Spoiler

"Why is Frankie sending all those guys in HaloGAF shirts to the back of the line whenever he sees them?"

 

[Devolution]

Make sure to give the Waypoint forums users the NeoGAF url when you do.

I hate PAX time. So much fun I'll not be having. =/

Fuck we don't need more of those.

. Vice versa for Valhalla, that glorious BTB map that I could play forever.

Should have been solely btb, will never understand putting 4v4 games on this map. They did that shit with Hemorrhage too, why?

 

[Caja 117]

Death of Halo, etc, etc.

Sad part is that this is reflected on Halo reach and consequently in 343 data gathering.

 

[thezerofire]

There is a lift on Powerhouse?

no, that's the point

 

[CyReN]

Oh sure, I will just tell that to all the other communities that traveled across the world to stand in line.

THC discrimination noted.

I hate our abbreviation..

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Should have been solely btb, will never understand putting 4v4 games on this map. They did that shit with Hemorrhage too, why?

I still wake-up in cold sweats from time to time, visions of 4v4 SMG starts on Coagulation in ranked TS running through my head. Get a lead, hide in the base with rockets/shotgun for 10 minutes.

Sometimes I wonder who is running these playlists

 

[The P of Poland]

no, that's the point

Good, I wondered if I'd somehow missed it through about 200 matches on the damn map.

 

[Slightly Live]

THC discrimination noted.

I hate our abbreviation..

FUD is also pretty terrible. I feel you.

 

[Striker]

Halo 3 map tier list

Halo 2 tier:
Valhalla
Valhalla
The Pit
Guardian

Good tier:
Avalanche
Ghost Town
High Ground
Narrows

Ok, whatever tier:
Heretic

Heretic is better than every single one of those maps above it.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Make sure to give the Waypoint forums users the NeoGAF url when you do.

I hate PAX time. So much fun I'll not be having. =/

I'll do my best to have tons of fun on your behalf. Like, lots.

Heretic is better than every single one of those maps above it.

Not for BTB!

 

[LD2k]

My boss will be at PAX working it like it's hot - I'm back at the offices working and cutting video content. Have fun for those who are attending.