The P of Poland
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I have played Heretic. And I have played Guardian. And Guardian is better than Heretic.
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Halo |OT8| A Salt on the Control Room
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I have played Heretic. And I have played Guardian. And Guardian is better than Heretic.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Devolution
Member
It's a remake though. Might as well say midship is.
No it's not. The fuck.
Jesus Christ.
... No, not even close.
Guardian was plagued by awful OS/weapon setup. Red got first grabs at OS, Carbine, Sniper, and had easy access to Hammer as well. You only had to send one guy to attack Brute Shot-Camo side to take him out, and bam, you're set up. If you did strict MM settings, the map was a pure turtle fest.
thezerofire
Banned
Guardian was great for MLG Ball, it wasn't nearly as good on its default set up
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Heretic and Assembly run together in my mind as "purple not-Midship", I forgot that it was, ya know, actually Midship.
I remember REALLY liking Zanzibar and being pretty disappointed with the remake, although I don't remember entirely why.
I remember REALLY liking Zanzibar and being pretty disappointed with the remake, although I don't remember entirely why.
Orochinagis
Member
B-but....my Hammer =(
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Assembly was pretty bland, gameplay wise. It's fun, sure, not a touch on some other maps. Awesome skybox too, easily one of the most impressive in the series (and, shocker, no frame-rate issues on that map!).
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I think by now everyone has realized that everything P for Poland posts is wrong.
Halo 3 map tier list
Halo 2 tier:
Valhalla
Valhalla
The Pit
Guardian
Good tier:
Avalanche
Ghost Town
High Ground
Narrows
Ok, whatever tier:
Sandtrap
Last Resort
Heretic
Construct
WTF DID THEY DO TO LOCKOUT!? tier:
Blackout
Halo Reach tier:
Isolation
Epitaph
Snowbound
Isolation
Isolation is so bad, it's on the list twice. Vice versa for Valhalla, that glorious BTB map that I could play forever.
Valhalla is H2 tier? Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
Valhalla is shit Reach map tier.Ii'd rather play Boneyard or whatever it's called. Spire over Valhalla. The only reason I won't argue against Guardian being there is because Backwash exists... And, Backwash is worse than Guardian. Narrows sucks. Same with Construct and Last Resort.
Last Resort is an abomination. A worse remake than Lockout to Blackout. Blackout had a few screwed up jumps and a nasty looking visual design change, but Last Resort was a complete hackjob.
The P of Poland
Member
The sky is blue.
Devolution
Member
Oh yeah I was thinking of, fuck what was it. Either way Heretic and Guardian are both balls to me. Guardian is another map in which there is too much enclosure and not enough flanking possibilities except for one room.
The Real Napsta
Member
Get out.
ElzarTheBam
Member
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Kuroyume, don't do this. You're going down a path I can't follow.
squidhands
Member
If you get to play SpOps, be aware of how insanely jealous (like, Courtney Love-levels of insanity) I will be.
You're more of a masochist than I ever thought.
Devolution
Member
Spire over Valhalla? Every time I play Spire I just spawn in the swamp and spend the entire game just trying to get to the action.
nillapuddin
Member
Halo 2 = 12 + 11 DLC = 23 Maps
Halo 3 = 11 + 13 DLC = 24 Maps
Reach = 9 + FW + 11 DLC = 20 Maps + FW
Halo 4 = 10 + FW + 9 DLC = 19 Maps + FW*
The (slightly) reduced map count potentially means two things
1. more time, polish, testing, love on each map
2. the bad maps will be accentuated even more
* granted, there are 3 forge environments this time, but at launch there will not be forge maps in MM
p.s.
Im not complaining, I was just workin the numbers in my head anyways
Halo 3 = 11 + 13 DLC = 24 Maps
Reach = 9 + FW + 11 DLC = 20 Maps + FW
Halo 4 = 10 + FW + 9 DLC = 19 Maps + FW*
The (slightly) reduced map count potentially means two things
1. more time, polish, testing, love on each map
2. the bad maps will be accentuated even more
* granted, there are 3 forge environments this time, but at launch there will not be forge maps in MM
p.s.
Im not complaining, I was just workin the numbers in my head anyways
The P of Poland
Member
Okay, when I said Guardian was better than Heretic, what I really meant was I had more fun on Guardian as opposed to Heretic.
There, everybody happy?
There, everybody happy?
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
We're also getting Spartan Ops Season 2 and maybe Season 3. Overall more content, but less multiplayer maps.
I'm really happy there are no Forge maps to start, but I'm also looking forward to them. Let Forgers get acclimated to the sandbox and implications first. The later Reach maps are as a whole much better in terms of play and look.
Orochinagis
Member
They will eat you alive dude.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think I like Halo 3 maps more then I dislike them, but it's been forever since I played, and as you can see I already forgot about Midship.
I was gonna ask everybody's favorite map, but I'm afraid it was gonna be a dozen people saying Lockout.
For some reason I'm leaning Ivory Tower...that's unexpected
I was gonna ask everybody's favorite map, but I'm afraid it was gonna be a dozen people saying Lockout.
For some reason I'm leaning Ivory Tower...that's unexpected
What. If true this is like the single bit of positive Halo 4 MP news to surface in forever.
The P of Poland
Member
Probably. -sighs-
Letters, I think Frankie confirmed both of those on here a while back.
NobleGundam
Banned
Sword Base is more fun with teleporters
We could potentially get more than 3 map packs, right?
Orochinagis
Member
Epitaph,Guardian and High Ground for TDM and Sandtrap/Valhalla for BTB
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Frankie said there won't be Forge maps in MM at launch.
nillapuddin
Member
this aswell, as a big time forger seeing my maps from a month after launch, then rebuilt a year later, the difference was astronomical
the lights and framerate issues aside (which they can never be put aside) forge has so much to offer, it took some time to really get some polish on this gray grey world weve been living in
unlikely in my opinion, after the unbelievable success of Spartan Ops Season 1 (crosses fingers)
there will need to be some time to get season 2 rolling, I dont feel like guessing at the release schedule but I doubt (SpOps & MP DLC) will ever be happening simultaneously
xxjuicesxx
Member
So how long have you been playtesting at 343?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Can we just get some non-grey Forge maps
frankie pls
frankie pls
There's always Certain Affinity to develop map packs. They may already be contracted to make some of the DLC judging from Reach.
The P of Poland
Member
Exactly 2 years tomorrow!
Don't I wish I was a playtester, that sounds like it might pay.
Devolution
Member
Ivory Tower is shit compared to best maps.
Best halo 2 maps:
Midship
Lockout
Beaver Creek
Headlong
Sanctuary
Terminal
Turf
Warlock
Decent maps:
Ascension
Burial Mounds
Containment
Elongation
Gemini
Ivory Tower
Relic
Meh maps:
Foundation
Desolation
Tombstone
Waterworks
Zanzibar
Shit maps:
Backwash
Coagulation
Colossus
Some people will disagree with certain Mehs/Decent but that's how I mostly feel. Also just making this list I realized how many maps there are that are still above the bar set by H3 and Reach. So sad.
Poker Face
Member
i actually really like reading what people have to say, even if some people have no idea what they're talking about. its neat to see what different people think.
better off asking for halo 2's 1-50 ranking system.
Yes but sadly they come from total scrubs like Omlet
Yup. Figured I'd get some of the Junior hazing underway while some of you are here in Seattle... you know, just in case I needed to physically retaliate.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Beaver Creek is the best map in 3 out of 4 Halo MP games. It's still my favorite, although the Pit is a close second. Or maybe Midship is second. I dunno.
Glad you're here!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Dat Coagulation hate
Devolution
Member
Oh the sausage fest is over. Still a sandwich though >_>.
I have fond memories of stupid ass 4v4 on that map.
I have fond memories of stupid ass 4v4 on that map.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Zoso Achilles
Member
Depends on what altitude you view it from.
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