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Halo |OT8| A Salt on the Control Room
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Shake Appeal
Member
Okay, it seems stupid, but what if you were quietly reading a book while your friend was playing Halo 4, and then immediately after picking up the flag he had you take over for him because he needed to go to the bathroom, so you didn't ever actually see him pick the flag up, and also you've never played a Halo game before, so you don't recognize the pole you are holding in your hands, in which case how would you know without that crucial UI prompt?!
K
kittens
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Vire
Member
The thing about these changes to CTF is that they make the player NOT want to pick up the flag.
Why would I want to pick something up that confines me to a single shitty offhand weapon, I can't drop it and I have a moving target over my head at all times?
Bungie already struggled to get people to actually play the objective, this is only going to make it worse.
Why would I want to pick something up that confines me to a single shitty offhand weapon, I can't drop it and I have a moving target over my head at all times?
Bungie already struggled to get people to actually play the objective, this is only going to make it worse.
Tha Robbertster
Member
I think the best thing that could happen now is that I'll stop caring about gaming or something like that :lol
Shake Appeal
Member
Based on everything we've seen so far, I can only assume that the name of your secondary weapon periodically flashes in giant capitals at the bottom of the screen.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Has this even been confirmed or am I the only one still holding out on whether he tried pressing the Y button.. I mean the dude never even used his Armor Ability or anything else..
Garrett 2U
Member
In reality, how often does a good flag run entail dropping the flag? (besides dribbling).
The only real difference I see is instead of slaying kids on spawn, you might want to have 1 guy pull back a bit to defend the flag runner.
Zoso Achilles
Member
The only time you've ever dropped the flag was when flag running? Seriously? I drop the shit out of that flag if I run into someone so I can shoot them with a gun that doesn't suck. You think giving me a crappy 6sk blooming pistol with an 8 shot clip is going to make me not want the drop the flag? Fuck that, I'd rather use the DMR/BR/Carbine/Light Rifle/grenades/rockets/shotgun or basically anything else that has a chance of protecting me so I can continue the run. Drop the flag, kill a dude, pick it up and keep going. But no 343, you're right, give me a shitty pistol in one hand and I'm good to go.
I can't imagine someone justifying not being able to drop the flag, and I can't wait until 343 tries during the panel tomorrow.
I think Bravo played it at 343, discovered the non flag dropping mechanic. Then he came to PAX, forgot about it, grabbed the flag and then remembered he couldn't drop it.
Shake Appeal
Member
Has it even been confirmed you can't drop it? That 'Bravo is pressing RT and so shooting his gun' explanation seemed pretty plausible to me. Maybe the super-secret flag drop button is, like, X, or something.
Portugeezer
Member
It will just require a different strategy, I'm not going to say whether it will be better or worse.
HiredN00bs
Member
I wouldn't get too worked up about this newer mode. Just like Infinity Slayer, it looks they're taking liberty in order to craft something new and genuinely different from traditional Halo gametypes. Classic Slayer and CTF will still be playable, and are likely to have some representation in matchmaking.
THANK YOU!
Finally someone else is being calm and rational about this.
Still waiting on more offscreen footage...
It becomes more of an issue when you're stuck with a giant "HEY KILL ME PLEASE" indicator at all times that you presumably can't remove.
I'm very curious as to what happens when you press Y to switch weapons while you have the flag. In lieu of the standard RT, that would be my next guess. Or maybe LT to maintain the 'left hand/right hand' standard Bungie used with dual wielded weapons.
Calm and rational? What's that? A new pre-order bonus?
Shake Appeal
Member
I think I'd prefer they just made one game called Halo 4, and if any third parties (i.e., MLG) want to take it on and warp it to a different vision, they can. Give us the option to change things in customs and offline, but if you believe in your choices, don't dilute and confuse them across a billion playlists.
I would appreciate a 'SUPERHELPFUL UI OFF' playlist, though.
Only from your local third world retailer no one's heard of.
Garrett 2U
Member
When you're dribbling they know where you're going as well though.
Agreed. I am not a fan of the divide that is created from having different gametype versions.
Shake Appeal
Member
Once you reach SR-20 you can turn this off by unlocking the Incognito Tactical Package.
Uncharted Waves
Banned
Also some people are not understanding....
It's not the actual grass and foliage that looks suspect. That looks FANTASTIC when you look at it. It's the best I've seen for any Halo game and much better than some other console games.
It is the GROUND that looks a bit strange in SOME areas. But guess what? I admit to making snap knee jerk reactions but after looking at some video again and also again at the same pics I realized that this game still looks freaking great. The lighting, the shadows, the color, art, the detail on the guns and spartans, etc.. still makes it one of the best looking console games.
And you make a good point about the shitty textures and anisotropic filtering in uc3. So to me you can still make an argument about the visuals being top dog on consoles. Also this is multiplayer footage and it still looks great!!
Considering the scale and the visuals 343 pumped out it's a technical monster.
Yeah, but you're actively choosing to take that risk. Personally, I choose not to give my position away because sneaking it was always effective for me in Halo 2's 1 Flag matches and the habit's carried over. I take the safer route that takes longer, while others might die while getting there more quickly. Now you have no choice in the matter -- you're a target no matter what, no matter where you choose to take it.
I suspect that they want to get rid of flag juggling. But wouldn't giving flag carriers full movement speed achieve the same thing without marking the carrier for death in the process?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
HaloGAF will be divided into groups who play weird-ass CoD-influenced changes for change sake Infinity stuff and the the groups who play something resembling classic Halo.
Speaking of which, would it be too much to ask for a 10 or 12 round mag for the pistol? I don't see why it has to be so forcefully relegated to it's sidearm role..
minasodaboy
Member
The two aren't mutually exclusive. I'll play both.
Shake Appeal
Member
You can unlock the 12 round mag (and a nifty skin!) at SR-15 with the Pack Rat Tactical Package.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Thanks man worked, well.
I guess this is the next step towards what Reach tried to do with the whole delay of picking up flag after tossing it. They really are trying to get rid of the whole flag dropped flag stolen thing...
1. Its a change, that I feel isn't going to improve Halo at all, so its a waste of time.
2. Further and further away from the past Halo's.
3. Removes some skill from the players who are good flag jugglers, diminishing the line between pro and casual one more notch.
Hopefully the options will be there so we can change this stuff.
Hydranockz
Member
Other pages? Why not read this one?
The PAX build contains CTF where flag carriers are faster, essentially dual wield a pistol/flag, have a waypoint over their heads and can't drop the flag.
That is undoubtably superior to Incognito, will use thanks.
I saw that too. I'll just grab a Spartan laser then.
nillapuddin
Member
So the PAX video shows alot of Armor Mods, really threw a monkey wrench into my guess lists
Tactical Package: 10
* Unlocked via Specializations
Blod = new
Underlined = Unlisted
Tactical Package: 10
- None
- Mobility: Unlimited Sprint
- Shielding: Shield Recharge Rate buff
- Resupply: Pick up grenades from fallen Spartans
- AA Efficiency: AA Recharge Rate buff
- Grenadier: Increases grenade carrying capacity
- Firepower: Carry 2 primary weapons
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- Fast Track: Increased XP bonus*
- Requisition: Ability to re-roll an Ordnance drop*
- Wheelman: Lessened EMP effect, Vehicle Health buff*
- Didnt see a 10th
- None
- Ammo: Hold more Ammo
- Dexterity: Faster reloads and weapon swaps
- Sensor: Increased Motion Tracker Range
- Awareness: Use radar while scoped
- Explosives: alter grenade performance blahsdfhlksdufglkh
- Ordnance Priority: More frequent ordnance drops
- .
- Stability: Lessened knock out of scope*
- Gunner: Reduce Turret cool down, move faster when carrying Turret*
- .
- .
- Drop Recon: Heads up on Ordnance and On-map weapon drops*
- Nemesis: Possibly reveals opponent who last killed you*
- Stealth: Decreased visibilty vs PromVision, Faster Assassinations, dampened
footsteps*
* Unlocked via Specializations
Blod = new
Underlined = Unlisted
User 73706
Banned
Funny because neither have happened yet.
Or it was bad sex I guess.
Also, to those bitching about a flag carrier waypoint: wasn't Reach the only game that didn't have one? And people whined constantly about it. Make up your mind, people!
Portugeezer
Member
I already thought Halo Reach was rather impressive, it just wasn't very consistent, some parts looked amazing other parts were "eww".
Halo 4 looks even better and seems to be a lot more consistent visually from what we have seen.
I think CTF will still be playable and fun, but it removes a lot from the flag carriers experience. You'll feel vulnerable and frustrated, maybe even claustrophobic. It'll make the experience less varied and flat. Doesn't seem right.
To be fair, the first time is pretty weird and he wasn't going to have it anyway.
To be fair, the first time is pretty weird and he wasn't going to have it anyway.
Poker Face
Member
what the fuck 343, come on
ncsuDuncan
Member
recorded our CTF match in Exile. Had lavalier mics in my headset to record audio. 20 minutes, will upload as soon as I can borrow a laptop.
bsangel came over and teased me when I spent the first 5 minutes just going through the loadout options.
bsangel came over and teased me when I spent the first 5 minutes just going through the loadout options.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Explosives perk to give you Halo Reach grenades
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
You reminded me of something I meant to bring up before:
Why are people bitching about this? How does making you walk slower make any more sense or was any more fun?? That was the biggest damn annoyance for CTF in my book ;\
These changes suck. Also, what happens if you hit Y while holding the flag?
Don't bother asking a dev there though. They probably didn't even think of that.
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