I haven't preordered yet.
Shopto or Play.com? Not sure really, or I am just pick up the LE Day 1.
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Halo |OT8| A Salt on the Control Room
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I haven't preordered yet.
Shopto or Play.com? Not sure really, or I am just pick up the LE Day 1.
Der Flatulator
Member
I dig.
Just a test. 20% of final mark for the unit though. Gotta know ya multiplexers and flip flops and stuff...
Good grade > the things you mentioned.
Not happening.
:'(
It would fit perfectly in Halo 4, because we know, that multiplayer is a simulation on the Infinity.
I know, man
Snow is purely aesthetic though. Longbow isn't exactly like anything else. I have had a hard time comparing it easily. It's simple to say what games it works with but it's an unusual mix of vertical and circuit spaces. In some ways it's like a less dominating High Ground I suppose - in that no side has a speific advantage, but that vertical cross map gameplay emerges naturally in the map - and pushes teams around it.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Id like more maps that move players around naturally like this and ignore a more static attack/defend approach.
Der Flatulator
Member
Sidewinder/Avalanche remake confirmed.
I would be okay with this. I really liked both of those maps.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Siderwinder is easily in my top 5 maps from the entire series.
What I appreciate about that map is vehicles dominate the open areas, but they're also exposed. Infantry units don't have to venture out into the same areas, so there's equal playing areas for everyone.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
The raised section in the centre and on the outsides nullifies vehicles to and extent so it create great vantage points to snipe out a warthog gunner. It allows Both Vehicle and Player combat without damaging either and also allows interaction between both groups.
More maps should aspire to fill both roles especially those destined for BTB. Maps like Valhalla fall down in the regard because vehicles dominate too much and with maps like Headlong also suffer because of the lack of decent space for anything but a banshee to excel.
On a semi related note i think a Larger version of High Ground built with the intention of BTB could be wonderful.
squidhands
Member
Finally caught up. I was extremely interested to hear impressions from the PAX crew, and I'm really happy to know that they enjoyed playing the game (spawn killing aside) as much as I did, and it makes me really hyped to wish for the next couple of months to go by as quickly as possible.
Having said that...
I've watched the direct feed CTF footage a couple of times, and I have to say that the constant announcer chatter is annoying as hell. At least in games like Unreal Tournament, there were several different teammate voices that essentially told you the same things: flag pickup, enemy in the base, enemy has the flag, etc.; it didn't come across as too much information. Having one person doing this (all the time) in some sort of choppy commentary is really overdoing it. I'm not a great player by any stretch, but I really don't need to be told that I'm carrying the flag when I can see the damned thing in my hand (which now makes the power weapon I had strapped to my back for a solo flag run completely worthless. Is there at least a 'swap weapons with teammate' function like in the campaign or in Gears MP? No? Maybe next time.). Watching that CTF video for the first time, I felt like the extra dialog and visual queues were the result of some marketing process whereby they grabbed a bunch of people who at one point played some videogames at Dave & Busters, threw them into a stripped down CTF match, took notes on everything they were confused by, and added it to the game. Isn't the fact that I now have the flag in one hand, a dimensional pocket pistol in the other, and cool music start as I begin my flag run enough information? Nope, I need to be told YOU HAVE THE FLAG, like I'm somehow suddenly stricken blind right before the game started. What I should really be told is the YOU NOW HAVE A PISTOL, because that actually came out of fucking nowhere.
Please don't make me hate Jeff Steitzer's work, 343. I don't need to hear him yell at me that I've scored an assassination, or that I have the Oddball, or the Flag, or anything else that I can see for myself. I'm a big boy, I don't need to be coddled.
Having said that...
I've watched the direct feed CTF footage a couple of times, and I have to say that the constant announcer chatter is annoying as hell. At least in games like Unreal Tournament, there were several different teammate voices that essentially told you the same things: flag pickup, enemy in the base, enemy has the flag, etc.; it didn't come across as too much information. Having one person doing this (all the time) in some sort of choppy commentary is really overdoing it. I'm not a great player by any stretch, but I really don't need to be told that I'm carrying the flag when I can see the damned thing in my hand (which now makes the power weapon I had strapped to my back for a solo flag run completely worthless. Is there at least a 'swap weapons with teammate' function like in the campaign or in Gears MP? No? Maybe next time.). Watching that CTF video for the first time, I felt like the extra dialog and visual queues were the result of some marketing process whereby they grabbed a bunch of people who at one point played some videogames at Dave & Busters, threw them into a stripped down CTF match, took notes on everything they were confused by, and added it to the game. Isn't the fact that I now have the flag in one hand, a dimensional pocket pistol in the other, and cool music start as I begin my flag run enough information? Nope, I need to be told YOU HAVE THE FLAG, like I'm somehow suddenly stricken blind right before the game started. What I should really be told is the YOU NOW HAVE A PISTOL, because that actually came out of fucking nowhere.
Please don't make me hate Jeff Steitzer's work, 343. I don't need to hear him yell at me that I've scored an assassination, or that I have the Oddball, or the Flag, or anything else that I can see for myself. I'm a big boy, I don't need to be coddled.
^please make it toggleable. We vets dont need it.
Hypertrooper
Member
I think or hope 343i is following the same policy like they did with Anniversary: Maps which had already an HD remake(in Halo 3 or Reach) won't get another one.
thats what nextgen halo is for. can you imagine all that crazy shit 343 could do with forge on a powerful new xbox?
TV Volume Down.
Hypertrooper
Member
I am honest with you. Believe it or do it not, but during the matches I did not even notice the "constant announcer chatter". Hell the first time I heard the stuff was when I saw a video. I think the most of the PAX HaloGAF group shares my opinion.
Does Halo 4 even give us the option the change the volume of the sound effects, music, dialogue, etc.? 343 isn't as arrogant as Marty to think that these options don't have to be in the game, right?
There really is too much commentary. And add to this the number of medals that are announced in Halo 4 that simply popped in Reach (Headcase and Assassination are announced now, as well as stuff like Distraction), and the announcer seems to be talking at least twice as much. I found it especially bothersome because there's also a significant increase in visual icons and way points to absorb, as well as an overall increase in audio to absorb (louder foot steps, suit rustling, etc.).
Too much information, and it gets in the way of combat at times.
I found it excessive in my first game.
It's not game breaking or anything. It's just too busy for its own good.
The Real Napsta
Member
Why does the announcer say LONG BOMB when you pass the oddball to a teammate?
That's kind of awesome, though. I wish we could have longer tags, I'd use PLNKTT for oddball.
Hey Frankie - can the cosmetic options in the game be unlocked by campaign play (or other game activity that doesn't require gold)?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
These things make me happy.
I noticed medals no longer show up though, I'd rather have those on screen like in previous games than the text in the middle, but I guess something had to go with all the shit on screen.
I contend that most of the changes to the game would not be an issue if we had alternative options, but Halo devs seem to be universally opposed to any form of option at all. Make the white text an option. Make the announcer an option. Make more control schemes. Let me change the color of my HUD. Let me change the side the kill feed is on. You cannot sit there and trumpet your character customization and gun camo as being all about player choice while simultaneously having the same amount of sound and visual options as a SNES game.
If I do not like a small aesthetic or audible change, and if disabling it would have zero impact on the enjoyment of anyone else in my party or on the other team, I should be able to change it.
If I do not like a small aesthetic or audible change, and if disabling it would have zero impact on the enjoyment of anyone else in my party or on the other team, I should be able to change it.
ElzarTheBam
Member
I thought the medal thing at pax was a bug?
Hypertrooper
Member
I thought it was strange in the first game but afterwards? No. I did not pay attention to it anymore.
The thing I disliked is: Halo 4 is "oversounded". The sounds are not bad. No it's the opposite. It sounds incredible but the game has too much sound effects. If I move the main turret of the Scorpion, it makes a sound. It felt artificial, too, because it overlayed the sound effects of other things. Therefore I think it is still going to be fixed.
Still through the sound effects, 343i accomplishes what many fans always wanted: It feels like you are controlling a Spartan.
Bobs, I've seen you post this (or words to this effect) a few times, but not really sure what you mean mate. I thought the Ltd edition contents had been unveiled ages ago?.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Oh, I did not hear that.
Yeah, I tried getting this cleared up yesterday, frank answered, but his answer was vague as hell whether intentionally or accidentally.
You would still make my day if you gave us the first letter of the map... or which game
First letter of the game? H!
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Hope some folks will enjoy some reading.
Holy Elzar's stripper pole, that article is huge! Awesome stuff.
YourExWife
Member
For me it wasn't really a constant thing, but circumstantial. In particular, when there was heavy firefighting, or several Spartans in small area in combat, all the added oomph to the footsteps and movement compounded with the forceful gunfire and added medals announced to become overpowering to me. I had to focus harder to filter down to the bits that I cared about, such as footsteps from behind, or the sound of grenades landing, which were not as distinct as they were in games past; they had more audio to fight through.
Yeah, it was a bug in the PAX build. Medals will still pop in the final game.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
They can't go hurting the feelings of the UI guys that slaved over many sleepless nights designing all that stuff by including some toggles. Nevermind that you're the paying customer that will actually play this for years, think of how THEY feel.
squidhands
Member
I know what you're getting at, because the text didn't bother me at RTX. I haven't liked what I've heard from Steitzer this time around, which makes me kind of sad. When you compound that with hearing it at every moment of the game, it gets me irritated. Hopefully it's something I can eventually overlook.
Yes, exactly. I feel like I'm being beat over the head with information that I'm quite capable of getting from other, more subtle audio/visual cues.
Especially for the text, because it really seems like that is meant for players that are coming from no real experience with Halo. Something along the lines of this would be great:
Are you a Halo veteran? [YES] NO - middle of the screen text is disabled, no redundant voiceover work where the same information can be gleaned from a medal
Are you a Halo veteran? YES [NO] - PAX footage as-is.
whoops i meant which game haha
No it wasn't. I said I was going to find out what the answer is. As you can imagine, I'm sure, it is quite busy around here for the next few weeks.
NobleGundam
Banned
Hope some folks will enjoy some reading.
Why is Didact a similar height as to Warrior Servants, when he's a Promethean (13-14ft.)?
angelkimne
Member
Having dug up some footage on youtube, I can't help but be sad that the H4 banshee is so similar to its predecessor.
Part of what made the banshee so fun to use pre-Reach is the fact that it was so small and mobile and practically impervious to small arms.
If it was slightly overpowered, that could easily have been fixed with the removal of the fuel rod -- the plasma cannons were perfectly powerful, they'd still be fun to use, and it would be slightly easier for the opposition to deal with. They could have had the cannons overheat after 5s of fire, and it would still have been super fun.
Instead, with Reach and H4, they've (if anything) ramped up the damage while reducing the mobility. The only way to get around in H4 safely seems to be when you flip constantly... that shift in movement emphasis makes it even more annoying for the opposition while arguably making it less fun to use.
The fact it gets ravaged by small arms does not take away from the fact that it;s still more annoying to deal with than it was pre-Reach -- and if it really did need to be nerfed, removing the fuel rods would clearly have been the best way to do that.
tldr; the banshee's less fun to use, more annoying to deal with... the worst of both worlds imho.
Why not introduce a new banshee, 343? Bungie did it with the hornet in H3.
Part of what made the banshee so fun to use pre-Reach is the fact that it was so small and mobile and practically impervious to small arms.
If it was slightly overpowered, that could easily have been fixed with the removal of the fuel rod -- the plasma cannons were perfectly powerful, they'd still be fun to use, and it would be slightly easier for the opposition to deal with. They could have had the cannons overheat after 5s of fire, and it would still have been super fun.
Instead, with Reach and H4, they've (if anything) ramped up the damage while reducing the mobility. The only way to get around in H4 safely seems to be when you flip constantly... that shift in movement emphasis makes it even more annoying for the opposition while arguably making it less fun to use.
The fact it gets ravaged by small arms does not take away from the fact that it;s still more annoying to deal with than it was pre-Reach -- and if it really did need to be nerfed, removing the fuel rods would clearly have been the best way to do that.
tldr; the banshee's less fun to use, more annoying to deal with... the worst of both worlds imho.
Why not introduce a new banshee, 343? Bungie did it with the hornet in H3.
I'd say Shopto, you're most likely to get the game early.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Why is Didact a similar height as to Warrior Servants, when he's a Promethean (13-14ft.)?
Creative Liberties™
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I didn't get that out of what you said, it wasn't exactly clear to me (or others). In any regard I appreciate your time and I'm aware you're busy as hell.
Thanks again.
Poker Face
Member
Do you play Halo?
Do you play Call of Duty?
edit: uh oh top of the page
I love steizer, but I don't need him yelling in my ear to let me know I've walked 5 steps
Hey folks. Was beckoned here by a regular so here I am.
Keep forgetting these OTs are in community.
Everything is looking sweet Frankie. ESPECIALLY the lack of ridiculous online achievements. Almost the best change in Halo 4 outside the best on consoles visuals.
How the hell are you guys achieving that while managing to keep the Halo feature set the franchise is known for?
Black magic? Voodoo? Witchcraft?
Keep forgetting these OTs are in community.
Everything is looking sweet Frankie. ESPECIALLY the lack of ridiculous online achievements. Almost the best change in Halo 4 outside the best on consoles visuals.
How the hell are you guys achieving that while managing to keep the Halo feature set the franchise is known for?
Black magic? Voodoo? Witchcraft?
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