ElRenoRaven
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lybertyboy said:
Very Very cool to hear. I knew something kept bothering me about that video but couldn't place it till I finally figured it out. So with that done let's party like it's 2001!!
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Halo: Reach |OT5| A Monument to All Our Sins
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Very Very cool to hear. I knew something kept bothering me about that video but couldn't place it till I finally figured it out. So with that done let's party like it's 2001!!
ncsuDuncan
Member
Please tell me that is in custom games and not matchmaking... please...Falt said:Who's Gamesag-HOLYSHIGHAGHDS!!!
Unfathomable... lost for words... the words, there are none.
As much as I would like to adjust the Warthog, if I could only change ONE value in any of the vehicle traits, it would be this:
I would double the cooldown time on the Banshee Bomb.
Yes, double. It might actually get people to use the Plasma Cannons against infantry. The current cooldown coupled with the fact that you have to press Y to switch to the Plasma Cannons just means that everyone exclusively uses the Banshee Bomb. Really, the only time I ever see anyone use the Plasma Cannons is when there are two Banshees dogfighting and dodging each other's Bombs.
Granted, there are a lot of changes I'd like to make to the Banshee (regarding the barrell roll and boost meter and vehicle health) but if I could only tweak one number that would be it.
And if this is possible within the Title Update, it needs to be done for ALL the playlists and not just whatever Classic mode is being added. (We're still not clear on how much of Reach the TU will impact. The optimist in me is hoping for bug fixes and subtle gameplay tweaks across the entire game, but you never know.)
I'd just delete the Banshee from Paradiso and Utopie (where he's gotten over 40k of those kills) and Spire ( where got another 15k of them). He got another 30k on Breakpoint but it's been gone from there for a while. Replace with Falcons where pertinent.
It's fine for Boneyard, where he's only gotten 5k of his total kills.
The banshee is really the Scorpion of the Skies and should be treated as such. Unfortunately, we don't have a Covenant mirror of the Falcon for keeping Invasion properly themed.
It's fine for Boneyard, where he's only gotten 5k of his total kills.
The banshee is really the Scorpion of the Skies and should be treated as such. Unfortunately, we don't have a Covenant mirror of the Falcon for keeping Invasion properly themed.
Rarely do I see something new in a MM game... but has anyone seen this:
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=21145371&player=Risen%20GBG
In MLG with Tashi last night - Neither of us had seen it and both stared slack jawed until they were halfway across lol.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=21145371&player=Risen%20GBG
In MLG with Tashi last night - Neither of us had seen it and both stared slack jawed until they were halfway across lol.
Tha Robbertster
Member
I finished cryptum on my two weeks vacation, really great book and I'm looking forward to the new book in 2012.
Did I miss any other big Halo news? I've checked some gaming sites but I know HaloGAF always has the little details.
That's hilarious. I can totally imagine that happinging to me in matchmaking. I've seen some jetpack flagrunning in videos but this is completely new to me.
Did I miss any other big Halo news? I've checked some gaming sites but I know HaloGAF always has the little details.
Risen said:
That's hilarious. I can totally imagine that happinging to me in matchmaking. I've seen some jetpack flagrunning in videos but this is completely new to me.
ncsuDuncan
Member
I'm aware of that, I saw some stupid "OMG ARE YOU GAMESAGER" vid a while ago. I'm just saying that the Banshee Bomb needs to be adjusted anyways.MrBig said:
Ideally, my changelist for the Banshee would be:
- Link barrel rolls and flips to the Boost meter, increase the meter slightly.
- Increase the health (or resistance to DMR fire) to account for reduced acrobatics.
- Double the cooldown time on the Banshee Bomb.
- Remap the control layout for the Banshee to remove the "Press Y to switch to Banshee Bomb" feature and just map it directly to a button.
But that's just my wishful thinking and it would obviously need playtesting.
I don't like deleting things just to make it balanced. I'd rather fix them. The Banshee is fun to use and I think it would still be fun after my proposed nerf.Fyrewulff said:
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- Friday PAX badge $35
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PM me if interested.
Hypertrooper
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Halo: CE:A pre-order bonusTha Robbertster said:
Halo: Cryptum's sequel was announced. You can buy it this January 3rd.
You can 20 PAX Passes at 343i. (Just saying: I'm going to pay $120. And a lot of people are going to pay that high prices, too. So now it is your chance)
Duncan, Tunavi, Hitmonchan, Zayne, Zalin, Zeouter: Is anyone going to play today?
squidhands
Member
Wow, that was very cool.Risen said:
ElRenoRaven
Member
squidhands said:
Yes it is. You have to give them props for thinking outside the box.
ncsuDuncan
Member
The Spectre wasn't exactly a staple of Halo multiplayer. I don't think very many people miss it.FyreWulff said:
Not like the chopper, at least.
Besides, the Spectre filled almost the exact same role as the Warthog, only with a Covenant skin. The Banshee has a unique position in the sandbox - simply replacing it with the Falcon isn't a 1:1 swap, you're taking away the only air vehicle that can be piloted solo.
Why would it have to be a Space Banshee? I think a normal Banshee model would be fine (although it would look cool to see the Space model in multiplayer).
I'm all for increasing the cooldown time, but completely removing the Banshee Bomb would skew the risk/reward ratio enough to make the Banshee more of a deathtrap than anything.
I'll be on in about 7 hours, lol.Hypertrooper said:
The Henery
Member
Risen said:
Amazing
ncsuDuncan said:
Yeah, but it was hilarious how it could Spiderman around maps
Because it would be visually different / have a different silhouette to inform you that it cannot bomb you. Could just re-use the same model if you really wanted to. Like the Transport Falcon.
Actually, now that I think about it, you could bring back the Heretic Banshee skin from Halo 2..
The problem with the banshee is that on Paradiso and Utopie, the map is so vertical that the banshee can fire the bomb, evade away, and be on the other side of the map before it hits. Same with Spire, super high vertical + everyone spawns on the ground = killing field. Boneyard is more balanced for it since the Banshee only has one option for getting to the other side of the map without getting close to the ground and the vertical ceiling is much shorter.
If the banshee cannot be fixed, but I had to keep it, I'd make Utopie/Paradiso have a much lower safe ceiling, and non-Invasion Breakpoint and Spire would also have a low one too.
I'll settle for the Halo 3 Banshee. No lock-on FRG, a much more shallow down angle so Banshee's had to take longer approaches, cool downs between acrobatics. The shallow down angle was really key to preventing it from camping out over a base. I thought it was very well balanced.
Tha Robbertster
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Hypertrooper said:
Ok, Thanks!
I'm going to pass PAX though; I ticket to america is too expensive for me.
Syracuse022
Member
I'm glad objective holding is a "you do you" thing now - I remember when AJ got persecuted for our Victory Lap shenanigans...
Hypertrooper
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The Librarian
Banned
Syracuse022 said:
ncsuDuncan
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I'd be okay with different skins, I just think removing the Banshee Bomb is a bit far. I'd just prefer the idea of making it to where the pilot "saves" the Bomb for vehicles and mostly sticks to the Plasma Cannons.FyreWulff said:
I do miss the Hornet though, it was more comparable to the Banshee than the Falcon is. And I really miss being able to carry a flag-holding passenger through the air (Speedflag doesn't count).
As you and Ghaleon noted above, the change to the angle limiter is pretty significant. I think bringing that back would reduce the need for a lower ceiling.
Hypertrooper
Member
*tries to find a pic of a little goblin, who freaks out because of joy*Tunavi said:
squidhands
Member
Tunavi said:
I've been suckerpunched once. Didn't care for it.
I see what you did there. :lolFyreWulff said:This too, I was wondering why they didn't have the angle limiter on it like Halo 3 did.
The angle my banshee is at in that pic is about as far as it can point down in Halo 3
<_<
The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward the angle limitation being the most important difference between the Reach and Halo 3 Banshees. The long approach it had to take to bombing infantry would remove a lot of the crazy base camping that takes place in Reach, and the distance allows the opposing team to put a lot of shots on it.
Valhalla was designed with tall vertical structures (rock arch, base spires) for the Banshee to take shelter in, but it would get wreaked on Hemhorrage if a long approach was required. I'm okay with that.
That hasn't happened in the history of the series except at long ranges. I remember Standoff Heavies Banshee bombs in the rear spawns. No good. I guess my position is that I like the Banshee as primarily a harassment vehicle, like the Ghost. Then you combo them with a hog or other human vehicle for the damage-dealing assaults.ncsuDuncan said:
I'd be fine with a Banshee sans-bomb with buffed normal firing and something more hover-y.
I don't know if this would work well for Reach though, vehicle balance is mostly fucked which makes speculating on changes so much harder.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Yeah, picturing Utopie and Breakpoint with an angle-limited Banshee actually makes me okay with that. It seems like the worst Banshee experiences I've had there involve it coming in from a more vertical angle and backflipping a ton.GhaleonEB said:
Spire would make an angle-limited Banshee pretty hard to use, but I'm okay with that too.
What if the Bomb projectile was slowed down? Make it difficult to hit anything but a stationary target (or a slow-moving tank).Havok said:
I think that could work. I'd also like to see a sharp dropoff in splash damage in a tight radius around the epicenter of the blast. Force people to either close in where they're in danger of being boarded or have to heavily lead the target in order to be as ridiculously deadly as the Banshee is now.ncsuDuncan said:
ncsuDuncan
Member
I think projectile speed and splash radius are two variables where you'd have to adjust one OR the other.Havok said:
So you'd need to test three scenarios:
- Keep projectile speed and reduce splash radius.
- Keep splash radius and reduce projectile speed.
- Reduce both variables, but only slightly.
Reducing both to a significant degree could make it too useless outside of point-blank range.
I like the idea of keeping the splash radius as it is and reducing projectile speed, because that keeps the Bomb as the opposite of the Plasma Cannon. It also lets the Banshee bombard an area while giving any infantry/vehicles in the target zone a chance to move far enough away. And I'm not talking about a huge reduction in projectile speed, but enough to add an extra second before impact.
Hypertrooper
Member
You are slow.wwm0nkey said:Was this posted yet?
I'm not sure what list you're talking about - but I put up a list a few months ago, and it has basic sort capabilities.FyreWulff said:
http://halo.bungie.org/showchallenges.php
You can sort by any of the following fields:
challenge_id, type, image, title, description, value, date
(some are more useful than others
)Just add ?o=sort_type to the end of the URL (replacing sort_type with one of the above list, of course).
You can look for specific challenges, if you know their names (or parts of their names) - just add ?c=title_fragment to the URL.
(Example: http://halo.bungie.org/showchallenges.php?c=kettle will show you all the Drop Pod challenges.)
And you can search for specific challenge types (as indicated by the images that appear with each one) with an addition of ?i=img_num - so, for example, you could look for all campaign challenges with
http://halo.bungie.org/showchallenges.php?i=2
The types are:
0: multiplayer
1: weekly (there's a single screwup on Bungie's part with this)
2: campaign
3: firefight
4: miscellaneous (or complicated multiplayer)
You can also combine parameters:
http://halo.bungie.org/showchallenges.php?i=2&o=value will show you all the campaign challenges, sorted by value.
I never built a real interface for using it - but if you know the parameters, you can do most of your searching/sorting here.
Reagan's BR
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Such a white knight.xxjuicesxx said:
Also your Friends List is full.
I think my concerns stem from a few things: a) that infantry movement speed is so incredibly slow that anyone without sprint or evade would be screwed anyway, b) that the Banshee can safely be much closer to infantry than to vehicles, which complicates any quantification of travel time, and c) I'm not wholly opposed to the vehicle lockon as long as it doesn't do the sharp turns it seems to be able to do now. I don't know. I think there are a lot of valid solutions in theory, but fixing the vehicle sandbox seems like a hopeless endeavor at this point.ncsuDuncan said:
Devolution
Member
xxjuicesxx said:
Fuck the white power tag and lol so hard at the irony of iPwN xXN00BZxX. And fuck the other two for playing with the white power troll, I checked their game history.
Louis Wu said:I'm not sure what list you're talking about - but I put up a list a few months ago, and it has basic sort capabilities.
http://halo.bungie.org/showchallenges.php
You can sort by any of the following fields:
challenge_id, type, image, title, description, value, date
(some are more useful than others
Just add ?o=sort_type to the end of the URL (replacing sort_type with one of the above list, of course).
You can look for specific challenges, if you know their names (or parts of their names) - just add ?c=title_fragment to the URL.
(Example: http://halo.bungie.org/showchallenges.php?c=kettle will show you all the Drop Pod challenges.)
And you can search for specific challenge types (as indicated by the images that appear with each one) with an addition of ?i=img_num - so, for example, you could look for all campaign challenges with
http://halo.bungie.org/showchallenges.php?i=2
The types are:
0: multiplayer
1: weekly (there's a single screwup on Bungie's part with this)
2: campaign
3: firefight
4: miscellaneous (or complicated multiplayer)
You can also combine parameters:
http://halo.bungie.org/showchallenges.php?i=2&o=value will show you all the campaign challenges, sorted by value.
I never built a real interface for using it - but if you know the parameters, you can do most of your searching/sorting here.
Because I'm lazy:
http://www.fyrewulff.com/fdc/hbo_challenge_search.php
ElRenoRaven
Member
A27 Tawpgun said:
Just under 2 hours from now. 11:30 Pacific time
And you guys will continue to post your "thoughts" on the games.. (which at this point is just nothing but complaining and whining about the players online persona-honor)stephen08 said:
Which is funny after that fyre twit post.
Any who the only people losing sleep over this is you guys.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Besides, this is what I call objective holding.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=713625456&player=TJ%20NutterB
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=713625456&player=TJ%20NutterB
:O, Bring on some Halo news.
ncsuDuncan
Member
I'm going to furrow my brow and feel for any disturbances in the Force.Letters said:
Hitmonchan will perfect time travel and suddenly find himself attending the panel with an HD livestreaming camera.
Hypertrooper will find a hole in the twitterverse that lets him "see" the panel like Neo sees the Matrix. Only instead of lines of green code everywhere it's all 140 character strings.
...or we'll just have to read live blogs and wait for the video to go live tomorrow-ish.
I'm recalling a lot more splatters with the Banshee, because players were forced to take flat, low approaches on bombing runs. They'd bomb and then have to boost to get out of the angle and go for some splatters along the way. It forced some risk/reward scenarios into using it. I don't see a lot of Banshee splatters in Reach because there's never a need to come close to the ground, you can just hover over players and bomb.ncsuDuncan said:
Yeah. TU tweak pleaze, 343?