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Halo: Reach |OT6| There Are Those Who Said This Day Would Never Come
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Nollemaster
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A27_StarWolf said:
So what´s up everyone's obsession with FPS greater than 30?
Hypertrooper
Member
Halo 3 hype > Halo: Reach hype. How can you miss that?Tha Robbertster said:
Tha Robbertster
Member
Hypertrooper said:
Not having a 360 at the time and being 13 years old :lol But what I gather from most people here, they liked Halo 3 more then Reach. (overall, I know there are people who prefer Reach.) For me, the difference was actually experiencing the hype for Reach, something I missed for Halo 3 (and maybe for the better)
A27_StarWolf
Banned
kylej said:
I couldn't disagree more with this statement.
It encourages camping,
Its incredibly unbalanced,
Too much Positive reinforcement,
AWFUL campaign,
repetitive and bland "Zombies mode",
Churning out multiplayer maps a dime a dozen and most of them BLOW,
to many to list.
As for your statement about Bungie, unless you can provide proof that you were involved when developing the game, or have some hidden knowledge that we don't have as regular humans, that takes the cake as the arrogant statement of the week.
I mean honestly? A statement like that is just laughable.
I still log on every day and play alone... and still have fun for the most part. Sure there are times when I want to kick a puppy, but the good usually outweighs the bad for me. The few times I do play with a group are usually a lot more fun, but I usually have random times throughout the evening I can jump on between work and can't wait on parties to fill up. I'm just impatient.Gui_PT said:
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Devin Olsen said:
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What options and player choices do you suggest they should have had, or changed to? I think the cR system is fine, if we're following the same route Halo 3 did. EXP and cR in my mind are the same thing - we're just missing the multiple playlists that are ranked. They should have had more Onyx based playlists like MLG and Team Objective. Too many playlists with guests enabled, for starters.kylej said:
The main thing that's bothersome is the lack of flag, assault, and other objective based commendation/end game status. That's why you see griefing for snipers, rockets, or other power weapons because players want the kills to get higher cR. If we could get more points for scoring flags in shorter times rather than slaying 'til the end, it's a helluva lot better system. In my eyes, Bungie began throwing out CTF, Assault, and other objective based ideas and support at Halo 3. The gametypes started getting less, and were generally poor across the board. We open up Reach and there's no Onyx based flag playlist one iota - really frustrating to see them this way after how excited and focused they were about objective modes back in Halo 2. Modes that rewarded you when your team worked together and achieved a victory. Now? Get your AR's, it's slayer time!
Steelyuhas
Member
Striker said:
Something that COD does very well with their XP/Challenges that Reach does very poorly with Cr/Commendations is promote objective play and objective gametypes. There is no reason in Cr or Commendations to play objective gametypes.
A27_StarWolf said:
You really want to do list wars?
A 4 hour long campaign that reuses the same assets as multiplayer (with a D- story)
A multiplayer mode with 9 maps, all of which have crippling frame rate problems
Forge that is virtually identical to that of its 3 year old predecessor
Theater that is virtually identical to that of its 3 year old predecessor
Firefight that is virtually identical to that of its 1 year old predecessor
A half-assed class based system that is "incredibly unbalanced"
A half-assed attempt at a player investment system that results in nothing more than a 125x125 pixel icon changing once every three months next to your name.
Blops is the same shit as MW2 which is pretty much the same shit as MW, which is fine, because the formula is fun. If Bungie had made small iterations but kept roughly the same game that they had in Halo 2, it would be fine. Instead we've had terrible - sometimes broken - additions to the 'sandbox', terrible maps, and a fundamental change to the way the game plays which was only done to try to suck in COD players and it falls flat on its face. Nobody wants the chess-like, map control-based power weapon/power up system back more than me. That's what made Halo so incredibly fun. You have somewhat fixed variables but the game never plays the same. Now it's a free for all, random spawning, armor locking bonanza of retardation.
Striker said:
I don't know, I don't care about that stuff. I have something like 4 million credits sitting in Reach right now and I'll never use them. I'm just saying, if you're going to go for it, do it all the way. Reach is the jack of all trades, master of none.
The Henery
Member
First game of the day
Why?
two games later
Plus eighteen but lose the game...what?
Next game
Guests ruining any sense of a match being made.
Game after that
I get the same guests on my team from the last game. We are facing the same opponents who just decimated them. They see this in the pre game lobby and quit out before the game begins. The opponents see them quit and quit themselves due to not wanting the boredom of only having two players to go against. The game is a long winded 2v1 cat and mouse hunt. This is evidence of poorly made matches directly affecting later matches. This is evidence of the devastating effect of a terrible, terrible trueskill system damaging the quality of matches.
Next game
One of my teammates quit. One of their teammates quit. Two (one is his guest) of the remaining opponents continually betray their other teammate. He boots them, their team is reduced to one. 3v1 borefest, he doesn't quit, the game slowly drags out.
Not a great day for Reach. Pathetic trueskill and an epidemic of quitting.
Why?
two games later
Plus eighteen but lose the game...what?
Next game
Guests ruining any sense of a match being made.
Game after that
I get the same guests on my team from the last game. We are facing the same opponents who just decimated them. They see this in the pre game lobby and quit out before the game begins. The opponents see them quit and quit themselves due to not wanting the boredom of only having two players to go against. The game is a long winded 2v1 cat and mouse hunt. This is evidence of poorly made matches directly affecting later matches. This is evidence of the devastating effect of a terrible, terrible trueskill system damaging the quality of matches.
Next game
One of my teammates quit. One of their teammates quit. Two (one is his guest) of the remaining opponents continually betray their other teammate. He boots them, their team is reduced to one. 3v1 borefest, he doesn't quit, the game slowly drags out.
Not a great day for Reach. Pathetic trueskill and an epidemic of quitting.
Steelyuhas
Member
kylej said:
Don't know if its possible to sum up Reach better than that.
I still want to get clarification - people say "x games does this, Reach just doesn't hold the candle" and so on, whatever. Specify as to what you rather see, realistically, and that most of the population would have liked. I'm not on the cusp of believing loadouts, choosing your spawn, and perks are truly Halo. A game like this can evolve sure, but it's a different beast than what a game like CoD and BF are.
That type of game is precisely why I wouldn't mind a community based custom game browser. You want your Grifball, Race, Zombies, and Boom Ball? Go there.
Zombies is something from Halo 2 that thrived as being a community game. It should never be something more than that in Halo.Plywood said:
That type of game is precisely why I wouldn't mind a community based custom game browser. You want your Grifball, Race, Zombies, and Boom Ball? Go there.
Major Williams
Member
kylej said:
As much as I'd LOVE to disagree with you, and there are multiple counters to each argument, I must digress that I feel, in some way, the same sentiments you express.
Taking cues from competition is healthy, keeps the market fresh, and challenges new ways of thinking (and having fun). Bungie has a "we carve our own path" approach to the market, only listening to fans who care enough to voice an opinion. They aren't taking into account the masses of people who have migrated to another game that ultimately they consider more worth their fun gaming-time. I think taking these cues would help them diversify their company and their interests. 343 should also take these into account as well.
thezerofire
Banned
Post of the Year, pretty much sums up my feelings as well.
Devolution
Member
Kyle pretty much summed up how I've been feeling about Reach for quite some time.
Yesterday I was playing a game of multiflag on zealot and the entire opposite team was just pinballing around with evade. I had to ask myself just why the fuck I even bother anymore.
Yesterday I was playing a game of multiflag on zealot and the entire opposite team was just pinballing around with evade. I had to ask myself just why the fuck I even bother anymore.
squidhands
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bastard stole my line and gets all the glory. C'est la vieSteelyuhas said:
Devolution
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Tashi0106 said:
MLG is not a cure all. And the sad thing is if you watch a h2 or h3 game vs a reach game, Reach is so fucking sloppy it's depressing.
Devolution
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I think blaming Sage is asinine, there was a whole development team on Reach that ultimately came to these decisions for better or worse.
He's the scapegoat people like to tag along to for blame. But there were others who had the idea and he just brought it to fruition, most likely. Bungie from today is pretty different than the company of ten years ago - hell even seven years ago. They obviously wanted to go into a different direction and we saw first hand at that in Halo 3. It's unfortunate for some of us who thoroughly enjoyed the first two games.wwm0nkey said:
thezerofire
Banned
I agree that blaming Sage for everything is stupid, but there are some things that are almost identical. The grenades in Reach are basically directly lifted from Shadowrun, everything from the arc to the damage to the bounce, pretty much.
Devolution
Member
thezerofire said:
Even so, unless he was the dictator of Reach parts of Bungie agreed with implementing these changes. They are just as culpable, whether people want to admit that or not. I often wonder the exact thought process that lead to Reach being this way, we can only speculate, even if we feel strongly about just why they did it. Personally I think it was a bad reaction to the success of CoD. But who knows.
Nades in Reach travel a lot faster. They are more floaty in SR, I think this is the case so you can Gust nades easier. They are also bright orange in the air, and beep very loudly. In Reach it's a small brown ball that you barely hear until it is clanking right next to you.thezerofire said:
thezerofire
Banned
to be fair, everything in Shadowrun floated fucking foreverwwm0nkey said:
Devolution
Member
wwm0nkey said:
SMG was a failure and those SMG starts were terrible. But I grew to like 2 and a glitchless 2 I'd take over 3 or Reach any day of the week.
reggie said:
They were probably proud that it was even up and running. They only got Zanzibar functional right before the show. The ammo readout wasn't even working on the BR yet, and they still had most of the Halo 1 HUD. And they were roughly 5 months away from release.
I think a little after that time is when Halo 2 Invasion was cut. The E3 setup was Spartans versus Elites, which is a gametype you can't force in retail.
Judging off the games and projects I've worked on, Halo 2 E3 2004 multiplayer demo was at about the place Reach was in October 2009 in terms of progress. Halo 2's development was very ugly and as they've said, crunch was so bad that families were torn apart. While we may remember it as fun multiplayer, everyone at Bungie remembers it as a grinder that put everyone in one end and spat them out at the other.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Sai-kun said:
I am very hardcore :lol
But really, I got the xbox when I was around 7 and I kinda grew up with Halo. Sleepovers playing halo CE and Halo 2. Awesome times.
Devolution
Member
Parts of halogaf make me feel young and parts of halogaf make me feel old. It's quite the funny quandary.
thezerofire
Banned
Robbster makes me feel old and Ghaleon and Wu make me feel so youngDevolution said:
bobs...onGaf
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Nollemaster said:
I was complaining long before Reach came out.
Pretty much the moment I first played the beta the wave of crushing dissapointment came over me and I made a ton of critisms on Gaf. Who cares what the community thinks though? If you enjoy Reach why would the community bitching make you not like the game?