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Halo: Reach |OT6| There Are Those Who Said This Day Would Never Come
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Ramirez said:
There's those weapons but there are other ones that are actually viable with the current settings. Shotgun is going to take a hit. Sword too. Though at least they get somewhat bolstered by bleed through, and removal of sword block respectively. Then you have stuff like grenade launcher, concussion rifle which seems pretty well balanced now but once bloom is removed who knows? Pistol was viable against a DMR close range. That probably won't still be the case. Plasma Pistol and Needler will probably get used less as well.
Besides, that's just for us. Some people do like using the AR and the spiker and all that stuff. It's their game just as much as it is ours. The game was balanced around a utility weapon with bloom. Given that 343 seems to have limited tweaks that they can make I think the best solution is to tweak the bloom. Outright removing it introduces other problems.
Sordid said:
You're sure it 4 randoms and not a group of 4? One of the best things about Squad was the restricted party size matching. It will be a shame if that's removed.
Captain Blood
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Zero Bloom at Halofest played the way the Halo Gods intended. Although like I have said Halofest wasn't probably the best venue to judge because our group didn't lose a game the whole weekend.
Devolution
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stephen08 said:
How the fuck is shotgun and sword going to take a hit? If you're up close it's a one hit kill, if you're too far away for a one hit kill, you're not using those weapons effectively. If no blooms means I can shit on little kids who Evade+Sword that's fine with me. I'm sure the incredible concussion rifle balance will be devastated with the removal of bloom too. You're looking for problems that aren't going to occur.
xxjuicesxx said:
Ew dude. No Bad Kid Field. Halo dawg. I don't think I'll even get GOW. I crush people in Halo and COD on the reg, I don't want to learn some other bad game's multiplayer.
Deputy Moonman
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Captain Blood said:
Well, it's not too hard to do when you're flag holding against me and a bunch of pubbies :lol The only game I lost was against you guys when you were right behind me in the line for Ridgeline.
I don't think any 'hardcore' Halo fans were going to lose at Halofest anyway, seeing as how Trueskill wasn't in effect
Ramirez said:
The new updated gametypes have bugfixes and new features though.
- Can't defuse while AL'd in bomb phases or gametypes (won't come into play in GAF customs, but still)
- Fixed sudden death for flag (dead bodies can contest the flag into SD on launch gametypes)
- Fixed return radius and touch return behavior for flags in CTF gametypes
- FLAG IS AWAY FROM HOME indicator for CTF gametypes
- Multiple arm zone support for bomb
etc etc
Basically everything added is available here:
http://www.fyrewulff.com/fdc/node/20
And gametypes are here:
http://www.ftzulu.com/matchmaking/?folder=games
http://halo.xbox.com/forums/games/f/7/t/13748.aspx
Devolution
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Deputy Moonman said:haha I laughed
It's my response to any and all bloom talk now. So over it.
Zeouterlimits
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The wraith.Hydranockz said:
http://www.twitch.tv/ryanoob
ryanoob about to challenge ninja 1v1. tune in for this shit kids. this is big halo drama. ninja might kill himself if he loses.
doing the trifecta. 1v1 starcraft, 1v1 halo 3, 1v1 reach.
ryanoob about to challenge ninja 1v1. tune in for this shit kids. this is big halo drama. ninja might kill himself if he loses.
doing the trifecta. 1v1 starcraft, 1v1 halo 3, 1v1 reach.
Devolution
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kylej said:
Did you see his ragequit last night? (ninja's). Pistola and them were chucklin' pretty bad.
stephen08 said:
WUT
Grenade Launcher will be just fine. It'll still kill in 1 shot if you hit them right, and it will still strip shields. This weapon won't be effected.
Shotgun campers may be a bit less effective, but that weapon is close quarters. If its close enough to kill, it still will and should.
Sword. This will be effected in a good way. Sprint-sworders will be taken out easier now since you aren't having to counter bloom while they are running at you with a death stick. You could apply this to the Hammer as well.
Needler will still be effective at its range. It may be easier now to stop a Needler dude, which is a good thing. Its not a power weapon so its should be able to be stopped easier than it is now. Right now you are dead if you can't get behind cover as soon as you hear it. Zero bloom will also help fight dudes spaceshippin' up in the sky with the pink mist, which is also pretty unfair as it is right now IMO.
Plasma Pistol - How would this be changed? Its ROF is still high and can pop shields quite quickly. Its overcharge will still be plenty effective at stripping shields too. I can't think of anyway at all this would change.
Pistol will still have a higher ROF than the DMR so if you can aim and are up close, the Pistol should still win. It will be tough still though with a smaller clip than the DMR.
AR is already pretty powerful IMO. It has incredi-range, magnetism, etc. IMO no bloom would bring the DMR back to balance with it and even the playing field. Sure it'll get more difficult for AR users but as it is now its too easy.
Plasma Repeater, Plasma Rifle, Spiker - These weapons suck and are useless. Anyone that is effective with them now is mostly likely playing at a lower level and should still be able to use them just fine. I say this because anyone decent at this game should have no problem taking out these 3 weapons. The Repeater was awesome in the beta, but now its just a wussy gun.
Man, typing this out and thinking about it makes me excited and I want zero bloom even more now. It seems that the sandbox will be much more balanced than it is now. What else ya got?
Steelyuhas
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stephen08 said:
That pistol will be stronger in relation to to the rest of the sandbox than it is now. The pistol can fire quite quickly, but it is currently hampered by a massive amount of bloom. Without that bloom, the pistol will be able to down people very very quickly. It will still of course be gimped by the magazine size, but it will be very effective.
The only weapons that will be seriously gimped are the AR (which is a good thing IMO) and the Plasma Repeater (which is useless now).
Devolution
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Tashi0106 said:Is that you looking up at me from the bottom of the Post Game Carnage Report?
No it's me rolling my eyes at someone being obtuse about host and bloom. Then in the same breadth content he takes host a lot.
senador said:WUT
Grenade Launcher will be just fine. It'll still kill in 1 shot if you hit them right, and it will still strip shields. This weapon won't be effected.
Shotgun campers may be a bit less effective, but that weapon is close quarters. If its close enough to kill, it still will and should.
Sword. This will be effected in a good way. Sprint-sworders will be taken out easier now since you aren't having to counter bloom while they are running at you with a death stick. You could apply this to the Hammer as well.
Needler will still be effective at its range. It may be easier now to stop a Needler dude, which is a good thing. Its not a power weapon so its should be able to be stopped easier than it is now. Right now you are dead if you can't get behind cover as soon as you hear it. Zero bloom will also help fight dudes spaceshippin' up in the sky with the pink mist, which is also pretty unfair as it is right now IMO.
Plasma Pistol - How would this be changed? Its ROF is still high and can pop shields quite quickly. Its overcharge will still be plenty effective at stripping shields too. I can't think of anyway at all this would change.
Pistol will still have a higher ROF than the DMR so if you can aim and are up close, the Pistol should still win. It will be tough still though with a smaller clip than the DMR.
AR is already pretty powerful IMO. It has incredi-range, magnetism, etc. IMO no bloom would bring the DMR back to balance with it and even the playing field. Sure it'll get more difficult for AR users but as it is now its too easy.
Plasma Repeater, Plasma Rifle, Spiker - These weapons suck and are useless. Anyone that is effective with them now is mostly likely playing at a lower level and should still be able to use them just fine. I say this because anyone decent at this game should have no problem taking out these 3 weapons. The Repeater was awesome in the beta, but now its just a wussy gun.
Man, typing this out and thinking about it makes me excited and I want zero bloom even more now. It seems that the sandbox will be much more balanced than it is now. What else ya got?
Your points all just boil down to the core properties of other weapons not changing and thus they are still viable. If you take the utility weapon and increase it's effectiveness relative to everything else you are making the other weapons less viable than they are now. If a change is to be made to bloom the best way to approach it is to tweak the value so as to not upset the rest of the sandbox. Especially since the tools they have to tweak stuff with this TU are limited.
And of course, that's what is likely going to happen in the long run.
Devolution
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Tashi0106 said:
Yeah that's great now consider that most people in here aren't playing with or against you. Aren't playing people with FioS a majority of the time, are probably playing against people with closed NATS, in other countries, etc etc. Bloom on dedicated servers would be one thing. The effects of latency on bloom are apparent. The fact that you dance around this is fucking annoying Tashi.
Hypertrooper
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I'm always thinking about to pick up a 5.1 headset. But I don't know for which one I should save money. I liked the sound of the Tritton's headset at HaloFest. And I never tried out Astros.(It is hard to find a store, who is selling them). So GAF which one would you recommend me?
Xand told me that you are saying my phrase "faking grenadez". Could you explain that? Stealing my phrase?Devolution said:
That's some nice consistency in the two shots to the Os. The irony!Devolution said:
@monkey That shows tons of promise but would need some serious reworking on the placement of the chief so he is part of the front cover and that the front works on its own separate from the back. Plus correct models. Damn I really hope Frankie makes a push for reversible covers, so much great Halo art going to waste in favor of marketing needs.
stephen08 said:
Right. They'll still be viable but they'll be able to be countered more effectively and thus less cheap. That is my opinion of course, but I base it on fact. Fighting sword/hammer sprinters, or high-flyin' jet packers with AR or needlers just got a lot more balanced at 0-bloom because now you can effectively shoot back quick enough for it to matter and you aren't stuck battling yourself/bloom.
Edit: This is with AAs in mind. Without AAs, yes some of the weapons could be less effective. I don't think so though, I think it just pushes them further into their roles and you have to be more smart with them. As it is now any dummy can get a kill if he picks up the right power weapon.
Steelyuhas
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Tashi0106 said:
Posting funny pictures as a reply is always the way to go.
wwm0nkey said:Just made this.
Would be amazing to see this as the reversible cover.
Aw man, I was about to ask for that in the Custom Covers thread.
Would you make one if we ever get a hi res version of that image please?
Btw, I need a Halo CE cover because the Halo I have came with the xbox(comes in an envelope, so no box or cover)
I've asked if someone could possibly make one in the custom covers thread but no one is interested. Anyone here interested in that?
After getting back into this game, I feel like I don't have a complete handle on the DMR and its bloom, and I've lost so many kills because of it. In Halo 3, once their shield is down after a bunch of shots, one well-placed headshot pretty much guarantees a kill. No need to waste any ammo spamming at the head because that one shot will take them out.
In Reach, I've taken the same approach: once the shield is down, I wait a moment for the bloom to reset and I take a single shot at their head and get ready to move on. But wait a minute....they're still alive! And in the effort to conserve ammo, I've already given my opponent time to recover and snatch away the advantage.
Just now after some Googling, I've read that the first two shots hit your intended target and the 3rd shot is random. I've also read that MOST of the shots are random and there is a significant element of luck involved. I've been in a few standoffs where I was completely spammed to death and died in 4 or 5 hits. I've also read that the MLG pros just spam and really have no regard for the pacing.
So is there any consensus on how to effectively use this weapon? IS there a particular pace to adhere to or is it really just about being lucky in particular moments?
In Reach, I've taken the same approach: once the shield is down, I wait a moment for the bloom to reset and I take a single shot at their head and get ready to move on. But wait a minute....they're still alive! And in the effort to conserve ammo, I've already given my opponent time to recover and snatch away the advantage.
Just now after some Googling, I've read that the first two shots hit your intended target and the 3rd shot is random. I've also read that MOST of the shots are random and there is a significant element of luck involved. I've been in a few standoffs where I was completely spammed to death and died in 4 or 5 hits. I've also read that the MLG pros just spam and really have no regard for the pacing.
So is there any consensus on how to effectively use this weapon? IS there a particular pace to adhere to or is it really just about being lucky in particular moments?
Devolution
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Hypertrooper said:
Hah. He asks me to say it, take it up with him.
Hypertrooper
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When you mentioned it first, I thought it wouldn't look good. But damn. it's awesome.wwm0nkey said:Just made this.
Would be amazing to see this as the reversible cover.
Because of the challenge I uploaded two funny betrayels. In this one I betrayed Gui_PT. This clip is a bit older. I wanted to upload it already in August, but somehow I got "File share upload error" etc. problems, so I forgot about it. But here it is.
The second one is from today. I betrayed Xand. I blame bloom. lol.
You don't have to render them, because both are currently rendering.
Really? You know, that you want to say it. Everytime a grenade kills you.Devolution said:
Hydranockz
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Devolution
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Tashi0106 said:
I'm not really mad, it's just inevitable in any discussion of bloom you'll troll and dance around the issue of latency.
In other words:
Devolution
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Tashi0106 said:
I honestly wouldn't mind bloom if latency didn't come into play in a lot of my games. It might be my high DL, low UP but there's not much I can do about it. I get really frustrated when shots are eaten or someone is no shield and the last shot doesn't finish them off. There's no reason for that with better netcode and hitscan in Reach.