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Halo: Reach |OT6| There Are Those Who Said This Day Would Never Come
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Tha Robbertster
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I'll take that as a hint to post a pic :lolHypertrooper said:
ElRenoRaven
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wwm0nkey said:
Hopefully. I've updated with my Retail copy thankfully. However my update version of the disc is updateless. So at least I'll be able to play still if I need to. lol
Devin Olsen
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Tashi0106 said:
Steelyuhas
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WANT.BackdoorBeauty said:
TRUTHDevin Olsen said:
Still no TU for the preview disc.
ElRenoRaven
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Karl2177 said:
Looks like it. I still don't have it on preview disc.
ElRenoRaven
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wwm0nkey said:
The disc is what matters. From what I've tried you can't play retail install off the hdd if you use the preview disc. So he would have had to have the preview disc in.
BigShow36 said:
Well it depends, and it is still my subjective definition, rather than a studio philosophy. Luckily for you I am not a designer, but in Halo the best way I could encapsulate it is:
Conditions that constitute a fair and satisfying experience at a moment to moment level and at the end of a session, within reasonable parameters of skill difference.
That sounds vague, but there are too many parameters to get specific. SWAT balance is different than Team Slayer balance, for example.
Hydranockz
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Plywood said:
"B-E... "
BackdoorBeauty
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Plywood said:
I generally say "Ineffective weapon! Ineffective weapon! GAHHHHH.. <slam slam slam>"
Gabotron ES
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de-eme-errePlywood said:
Rickenslacker
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They're pronouncing DMR as a word. Like people calling SQL sequel, or SCSI scuzzy.Kunohara said:
But I say DMR. People who say domer are crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_tLWMm0FoKunohara said:
OuterWorldVoice said:
I don't see how "satisfaction" can be included in a definition of balance, as that truly is subjective. Finding a workable definition of balance must eliminate as many instances of "subjective" as possible, otherwise its not a defintion at all.
Fair is a much more applicable term for balance. The only real way to treat ALL players fairly is to reward them proportional to how well they perform during a match. Do you agree with that?
OuterWorldVoice said:
Our defintion of Balance must be encompassing, not vague. What "balance" is doesn't change from gametype to gametype, certain gametypes are simply more or less balanced. We don't make up a new definition of what balance is for Team Rockets, we simply accept that the gametype is not balanced. That doesn't mean its not fun, of course it is! What I get angry about is when the core game does not provide settings that are balanced in any combination.
I sympathize to it a bit, but only because the weapon feedback is disconnected from is power; it's like Noisy Cricket minus the noise. The Anniversary version features feedback that matches the punch it packs.Booshka said:
His general statement was applicable, but as he said balance means different things to different modes. In SWAT balance means everyone has the same base abilities and the same weapons. In Team Slayer, it doesn't, but the balance comes from how weapons and abilities need compliment and offset one another. So you can't really move beyond the principle/philosophy level without getting granular.BigShow36 said:
wwm0nkey said:
It doesn't work like that, at least, not from my standpoint.
I've got both versions of Halo: Reach installed. Retail launch disc is 6.6GB, XGD3 Disc is 6.7GB with separate installs. They do use the same directory though, so when you drill into 'Halo: Reach', you see two games.
If I were to remove the Retail launch install and tried the XGD3 disc, it wouldn't read assets on the HDD, it would read it from the disc.
Edit: For all intents and purposes, they are different games.
Steelyuhas
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Booshka said:
Seriously. I have a problem with that.
I can understand if you don't like the pistol's functionality, but why the fuck does the weapon being a pistol have to do with anything? It's just a skin.
GhaleonEB said:
Okay I understand that, although I don't really agree with it. Always sounds like it packed a punch to me. The Anniversary version sounds like a damn cannon though!
If they're going to bring back FF to Halo 4, then they need to take a look at Horde mode as well. Boss encounters and defense building, awesome additions.
Can you imagine if there were Scarab rounds or something in FF? Might actually be worth playing.
The "it's just a Pistol" argument is a good point, IMO. I know back when I first played MP with my buds, I was amazed when I found out the thing could cross map. No one else knew, and kept asking me how I was killing them, lol. When you see a pistol, your brain doesn't think "oh, I can shoot a mile with this thing".
Can you imagine if there were Scarab rounds or something in FF? Might actually be worth playing.
The "it's just a Pistol" argument is a good point, IMO. I know back when I first played MP with my buds, I was amazed when I found out the thing could cross map. No one else knew, and kept asking me how I was killing them, lol. When you see a pistol, your brain doesn't think "oh, I can shoot a mile with this thing".
Plywood said:
Dimmer makes sense, because dmr is in the word. Domer just sounds weird because there's no O in DMR. Burr makes sense because again, BR.
Booshka said:
That's your argument? Why don't you explain why it's fine? "Hmm, you mean with this small weapon, i can headshot anyone from across the map? Sounds good to me!" Seriously, when you read that, it sounds like a power weapon to me. A pistol is supposed to be your backup when your other weapon is out of ammo/have to reload, not your main fucking weapon. Why should a pistol be more powerful than a fucking ASSAULT RIFLE. Read that, and tell me that makes sense.
Steelyuhas
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darthbob said:
That's what I think some people honestly think.
Not me though, I love that it's a pistol.
Kunohara said:
Because its a game, and gameplay is king.
Why is the standard military gun 500 years into the future an assault rifle that is wildly inaccurate and has no range? Halo is a game, and not a realistic one.
BigShow36 said:
You're talking about mathematical balance then. Not gameplay balance. Even the skill-matching in SWAT is different in terms of likely end result than vanilla Team Slayer. And we have to reward players based on a wide range of skills. It is easier, in theory, to balance an MLG game because there's less variation in skill, than a normal matchmaking experience. But I agree with proportionality, of course.
Another integer to think about is satisfaction. Can I feel satisfied having been beaten 50-35, that it felt both fun and fair? And here's a question: Would it be better to have an unbalanced game that everyone really enjoyed, or a very balanced game that pnly 1% of people enjoy? And how do you adjust the slider on that argument?
Hydranockz
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People seem to play regardless of how much they enjoy it though...OuterWorldVoice said:
ElRenoRaven
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Homeboyd said:
WHAT? Justin Bieber in Halo 4!!!!! WILL NOT BUY!!!
Rickenslacker
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The precursor to that holy Halo pistol. Made Opposing Force a lot of fun too. We need more powerful pistols in games.
OuterWorldVoice said:
This is very true.
Even on paper, Armor Lock is balanced. But in gameplay it ends up being not fun or satisfying to fight against.
Balance shouldn't be simplified into math. Fun needs to be taken into account. And the complex problem with player skill and weapon difficulty.
For example, in Gears 3, the sawed off is balanced "mathematically" Its only effective in super close range, and has a long reload.
But its far too effective for how EAAAASSSYYYY it is to use. It's a weapon you don't need to aim, just aim in the general direction, and it DESTROYS people with such ease it ends up feeling like a cheap and frustrating weapon. It breaks the flow of combat despite being mathematically balanced.