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[PooBone]

Lol that's even more retarded.

You're right about that.

 

[lybertyboy]

Just want to let everyone know that I'm looking into the "daily" challenge.

Just checked in with the team back in Seattle. Not quite sure what the time difference is off the top of my head as I'm typing this via my phone in France.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

It's final. I'm not a fan, but supposedly it looks a lot better in person because the chief is shiny or something.

That's weird, because the chief's helmet looks completely different from the in-game footage we've seen. This is footage from the level Guilty Spark: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFivR6WVsD4#t=10m07s

Doesn't really match to me.

 

[Tashi]

Pro vote went in favor of no-bloom, and Killa KC has stated that he prefers no-bloom over bloom, so it's incredibly likely that we'll see no-bloom at Providence.

Whatever, I'm sure I'll be fine with it. I honestly don't like the bullets bleeding through and spamming the trigger all the time. Those are my main issues with how MLG will be. It's especially not a big deal because I don't think I'm going to providence. I either need a miracle sponsor or need to drive there and sleep in my car lol.

What did the votes end up being between the pros. Landslide or close?

 

[Tha Robbertster]

Just want to let everyone know that I'm looking into the "daily" challenge.

Just checked in with the team back in Seattle. Not quite sure what the time difference is off the top of my head as I'm typing this via my phone in France.

They SHOULD be at work right now

 

[Hypertrooper]

Just want to let everyone know that I'm looking into the "daily" challenge.

Just checked in with the team back in Seattle. Not quite sure what the time difference is off the top of my head as I'm typing this via my phone in France.

It's 9:21am in Seattle. Paris time - 9hours. We Europeans love math.

 

[Blinding]

What did the votes end up being between the pros. Landslide or close?

Last number that I heard was 28 to 18 in favor of no-bloom, haven't seen or heard anyone toss out the final numbers though, just that no-bloom won.

 

[feel]

That's weird, because the chief's helmet looks completely different from the in-game footage we've seen. This is footage from the level Guilty Spark: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFivR6WVsD4#t=10m07s

Doesn't really match to me.

Yeah I don't like that the suit on the cover is neither the original nor the new one, but some random take on the chief, so weird.

 

[Hypertrooper]

I'm faster than Elzar! Data Drop 6

 

[ElzarTheBam]

I'm faster than Elzar! Data Drop 6

 

[xxjuicesxx]

Oh yea I said awhile ago there was no way MLG wouldn't pick up no bloom.

I hope they do something with the bleedthrough headshots though and limit the pistol. Probably altering the damage/health wouldn't be bad either.

 

[The Librarian]

Hey. Ensign Lovell!

 

[Plywood]

For those who can't access the data drop atm:

 

[ElRenoRaven]

I'm faster than Elzar! Data Drop 6

Hmm. Interesting. Interesting.

 

[PooBone]

Thanks for posting the data drop plywood.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Yeah, nice data drop. The whole "One part of Reach at war while the other part doesn't know jack" is still kinda far-fetched, but hey, they're trying to fix this mess. I like it.

 

[PooBone]

Yeah, nice data drop. The whole "One part of Reach at war while the other part doesn't know jack" is still kinda far-fetched, but hey, they're trying to fix this mess. I like it.

Yeah, whenever I read some of the cleanup they're doing for the Reach canon I kinda wanna roll my eyes, but that is at least better than nothing.

 

[Judderman]

Those 7777 Cr's are taunting me.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Most developers would just tell us to "deal with it". They're trying to make it a bit easier to accept, which is something I applaud immensely.

 

[Gabotron ES]

Most developers would just tell us to "deal with it". They're trying to make it a bit easier to accept, which is something I applaud immensely.

Exactly.

 

[stephen08]

You two are on extreme ends of the spectrum. There's an understandable limit on each end, but you guys have crossed the respectable lines. You can't be a golden person all the time, but you can't be a shithead all of the time. There's time for smack talk and there's time for general respect. I don't see what's so hard about moving from your position into one of common sense.

I wasn't discussing the matter with Juices. I know that is just a fruitless labor. Bringing up someone's skill as some kind of rebuttal is just a shitty thing to do. It has no bearing on the conversation at hand.

Also, I think you misinterpret my position. Sportsmanship doesn't mean no competition. Competition is the whole reason we play adversarial multiplayer in the first place. That's fine. When you start going out of your way to be a dick to the competition that's when there gets to be a problem.

Anyway, I really don't want to debate this further. I'm just clarifying some things.

 

[PooBone]

Most developers would just tell us to "deal with it". They're trying to make it a bit easier to accept, which is something I applaud immensely.

agreed.

 

[HiredN00bs]

lol @ the old daily

Looks like they updated it.

 

[MrBig]

Bad daily is gone.
Renewed my live after waiting two months. Anyone going to be playing today?

 

[Stinkles]

So, do we know final Halo CEA box art or is it this one?

That's the final art, but the US version at least has a cool wrapper with embossed silver all up on its. And metallic silver/gold foil.

 

[The Real Napsta]

Oh yea I said awhile ago there was no way MLG wouldn't pick up no bloom.

I hope they do something with the bleedthrough headshots though and limit the pistol. Probably altering the damage/health wouldn't be bad either.

What is wrong with bleedthrough headshots? Halo CE/2/3 had them and it was fine.

 

[TheOddOne]

I like the current CE cover, looks classy.

 

[ncsuDuncan]

What is wrong with bleedthrough headshots? Halo CE/2/3 had them and it was fine.

Did CE/2/3 really have bleedthrough headshots? I know there was melee bleedthrough but I thought shields always had to be down for a headshot (except for snipers).

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

 

[The Real Napsta]

Did CE/2/3 really have bleedthrough headshots? I know there was melee bleedthrough but I thought shields always had to be down for a headshot (except for snipers).

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Yep. CE pistol did not remove all shields with 2 shots. 3rd shot pierced shields and killed you if it was a headshot.

 

[FyreWulff]

What is wrong with bleedthrough headshots? Halo CE/2/3 had them and it was fine.

3 was 3 shots to the body to drop shields and then pull up for a headshot.

You could also shoot 3 times in the head to drop shields, but that was silly as your spread cluster could go past their head.

In Reach it's 4 to drop shields in body then fifth in the head, or 4 in the head.

That's what we call an "inconsistency", and why bleedthrough should only be in Classic to emulate the previous titles for classic game modes.

Did CE/2/3 really have bleedthrough headshots? I know there was melee bleedthrough but I thought shields always had to be down for a headshot (except for snipers).

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

3 didn't, 3 shots took shields off completely. The only time bleedthrough really came into play was melees, but it wasn't possible to headshot someone if they still had shields under normal settings. Unless you had an extreme edgecase where the amount of shield they had left was equal to the damage dealt by exactly two BR bullets, in which case the third one would hit the head and headshot them.

 

[Steelyuhas]

3 was 3 shots to the body to drop shields and then pull up for a headshot.

You could also shoot 3 times in the head to drop shields, but that was silly as your spread cluster could go past their head.

In Reach it's 4 to drop shields in body then fifth in the head, or 4 in the head.

That's what we call an "inconsistency"




3 didn't, 3 shots took shields off completely. The only time bleedthrough really came into play was melees, but it wasn't possible to headshot someone if they still had shields under normal settings.

Well that's not true. Even with bleedthrough it takes 4 shots to get rid of shields without killing them, but if the player has taken some damage from something else then you will see that 4th shot bleedthrough for the kill.

 

[FyreWulff]

Well that's not true. Even with bleedthrough it takes 4 shots to get rid of shields without killing them, but if the player has taken some damage from something else then you will see that 4th shot bleedthrough for the kill.

Pistol dot jaypeg. There's a reason why it's silly to use the DMR in Zero Bloom Slayer. Because the pistol fires faster and kills in less shots and is headshot-capable.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Pistol dot jaypeg. There's a reason why it's silly to use the DMR in Zero Bloom Slayer. Because the pistol fires faster and kills in less shots and is headshot-capable.

Well yeah the pistol is different than the DMR with bleedthrough enabled.

 

[The Real Napsta]

3 was 3 shots to the body to drop shields and then pull up for a headshot.

You could also shoot 3 times in the head to drop shields, but that was silly as your spread cluster could go past their head.

In Reach it's 4 to drop shields in body then fifth in the head, or 4 in the head.

That's what we call an "inconsistency"

Umm I'm talking about the DMR bro, it's always 5 shots. That's "consistency"

3 didn't, 3 shots took shields off completely. The only time bleedthrough really came into play was melees, but it wasn't possible to headshot someone if they still had shields under normal settings.

That doesn't mean headshots could not bleed though. Try it with the carbine, get really low shields get hit with a carbine round. You will die.

 

[Hypertrooper]

That's the final art, but the US version at least has a cool wrapper with embossed silver all up on its. And metallic silver/gold foil.

Only the US version?

 

[Stinkles]

Only the US version?

And as far as I can tell, Yerp too. Just not APAC. As far as I know. Watch this space.

 

[feel]

That's the final art, but the US version at least has a cool wrapper with embossed silver all up on its. And metallic silver/gold foil.

Just curious, was a special edition for this even considered at some point?

 

[FyreWulff]

That doesn't mean headshots could not bleed though. Try it with the carbine, get really low shields get hit with a carbine round. You will die.

It did? Cool. Too bad you couldn't start with it and it was not on all maps

Beta Carbine Never Forget

 

[Hypertrooper]

And as far as I can tell, Yerp too. Just not APAC. As far as I know. Watch this space.

I'm observing this post the whole night day. The whole day. Other question: Does the first batch only have the paper sleeve, or does every version have it? If so and the European version don't get it, I'll buy the Anniversary version with my Amazon.com gift card.(When Halo CEA will be part of some sales.)

 

[The Librarian]

Just curious, was a special edition for this even considered at some point?

I'd take a steelbook of Halo anytime.

 

[The Real Napsta]

It did? Cool. Too bad you couldn't start with it and it was not on all maps

Beta Carbine Never Forget

That means the BR could do it too, if your shields were weakened by other means.

 

[Tawpgun]

That's the final art, but the US version at least has a cool wrapper with embossed silver all up on its. And metallic silver/gold foil.

So we can melt the wrapper and foil to help pay for Halo 4?

 

[erpg]

I'd take a steelbook of Halo anytime.

Come to Canada! We've had a Steelbook for most big releases this year (movies too). I guess one of our national chains has a partnership.

 

[Ken]

So we can melt the wrapper and foil to help pay for Halo 4?

* not real gold. Sorry!

 

[Tawpgun]

* not real gold. Sorry!

Aw pewp.

 

[ncsuDuncan]

Yep. CE pistol did not remove all shields with 2 shots. 3rd shot pierced shields and killed you if it was a headshot.

Ah. I forgot that the second pistol shot still left shields.

Halo 2 and 3 didn't feel like they had bleedthrough headshots. I'll take your word for it though. Maybe I'll try testing it in 3 later.

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I wish they could make it melee-only bleedthrough for Vanilla Reach. Until then I'd prefer:

Vanilla Playlists
- Sword blocking OFF
- AA tweaks ON (Active Camo, Armor Lock)
- 85% bloom
- Bleedthrough OFF (so the pistol isn't buffed)

Classic
- Normal tweaks for Classic movement, etc.
- Sword blocking OFF
- Bleedthrough ON
- No Reach Pistols at all. (No Needle Rifles either.)
- Three Flavors:
Slayer - AR/PP start, DMRs on map (with 85% Bloom)
Slayer DMRs - DMR/AR start, DMRs on map (with 85% Bloom)
Slayer CE Pistols - CE Pistol/AR start, CE Pistols on map (with CE pistol bloom traits)

So the 85% bloom DMR acts as the BR while the CE Pistol acts like the death cannon it once was.
0% bloom isn't needed in Classic because it would only affect the DMR and would push it into the role that the CE pistol fills.

Then create a separate Zero Bloom Slayer playlist (or include it in SWAT).

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Random idea for TU2:
- Using the jetpack sends you to maximum reticule bloom.
There's no way they'll remove jetpack entirely, or even just disable weapon use while flying. Making it increase your bloom drastically would be nice though. I hope something like that is feasible for a TU.

- Hell, what if being cloaked sent you to maximum reticule bloom? That would stop camo snipers, right?

Random idea for Halo 4:
- During the matchmaking wait screen you can use Kinect to video chat with your friends. (It always defaults to OFF and you turn it on the same way you mute specific people in Reach's lobby.)

 

[FyreWulff]

t you to maximum reticule bloom? That would stop camo snipers, right?

Random idea for Halo 4:
- During the matchmaking wait screen you can use Kinect to video chat with your friends. (It always defaults to OFF and you turn it on the same way you mute specific people in Reach's lobby.)

In Halo 4, when you accept a party invite it should show you and your party flying through the internet to the other party.

 

[The Real Napsta]

3 didn't, 3 shots took shields off completely.

3 BR bursts did not take shields off completely btw, 11 BR bullets did.

 

[Gabotron ES]

Does anyone know where can I buy a blank steelbook?
I'm planning to use my old warhammer skills to create a custom packaging for Anniversary.

I'm also accepting ideas of differents designs.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Ah. I forgot that the second pistol shot still left shields.

Halo 2 and 3 didn't feel like they had bleedthrough headshots. I'll take your word for it though. Maybe I'll try testing it in 3 later.

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I wish they could make it melee-only bleedthrough for Vanilla Reach. Until then I'd prefer:

Vanilla Playlists
- Sword blocking OFF
- AA tweaks ON (Active Camo, Armor Lock)
- 85% bloom
- Bleedthrough OFF (so the pistol isn't buffed)

Classic
- Normal tweaks for Classic movement, etc.
- Sword blocking OFF
- Bleedthrough ON
- No Reach Pistols at all. (No Needle Rifles either.)
- Three Flavors:
Slayer - AR/PP start, DMRs on map (with 85% Bloom)
Slayer DMRs - DMR/AR start, DMRs on map (with 85% Bloom)
Slayer CE Pistols - CE Pistol/AR start, CE Pistols on map (with CE pistol bloom traits)

So the 85% bloom DMR acts as the BR while the CE Pistol acts like the death cannon it once was.
0% bloom isn't needed in Classic because it would only affect the DMR and would push it into the role that the CE pistol fills.

Then create a separate Zero Bloom Slayer playlist (or include it in SWAT).

-------
Random idea for TU2:
- Using the jetpack sends you to maximum reticule bloom.
There's no way they'll remove jetpack entirely, or even just disable weapon use while flying. Making it increase your bloom drastically would be nice though. I hope something like that is feasible for a TU.

- Hell, what if being cloaked sent you to maximum reticule bloom? That would stop camo snipers, right?

Random idea for Halo 4:
- During the matchmaking wait screen you can use Kinect to video chat with your friends. (It always defaults to OFF and you turn it on the same way you mute specific people in Reach's lobby.)

As long as Anniversary gametypes have their own 4v4 slayer and objective playlist without the rest of that junk I'll be happy.

Agreed with your vanilla Reach changes.