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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?
- Thread starter The Librarian
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Bregmann Roche
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My guess is that if 343 saw that after 12+ months from release people were buying used copies plus codes in order to play online they might be more likely to invest in more MP content or at least keep a steady release schedule for MP content with future Halo games.
The ncsuDuncan plan sucks for people that bought used Halo games in the past but for people who are going to be buying on day one then it's at least a push.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Spartacus is Letters
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
I am Spartacus therefore I am Letters therefore bring the BR back.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
No, but something is to be said for online codes from a buisness stand point, preowned sales become a relevant income source which in turn puts more money in to the franchise and that in a ideal could mean more content, it could even pay for dedis
ViewtifulJC
Banned
anti-consumer something something
StalkerUKCG
Banned
A consumer but i can see both sides of the situation, Im not against paying a fair amount for anything. Its a large debate which im not really going to get into but if i buy a game preowned im rewarding only the middle man (gamestop ect) and as someone who likes games and gaming i feel like we should be rewarding the devs and pubs rather than a money hungry store.
Absolutely not joking. I'm from Alabama (but a Tennessee fan) and LSU and Alabama are the top two teams. No other conference can compete with the best of the best from the SEC.
I think Ram said it earlier (maybe?) but I'm with him in regards that a March Madness system would be best.
Bregmann Roche
Member
If it were up to me every Halo game would be free forever and it would come with a lifetime supply of food, water, and shelter, but since it's a business I'd like to see it remain a strong business.
ncsuDuncan
Member
I buy my games new, so an Online Pass doesn't hurt me.
Two discs is the benefit - no more space restrictions from the developer trying to force campaign and multiplayer onto a single DVD. I think this is one of the hurdles for the development of Reach and CEA.
The Disc 2 install is just for people who don't want to swap discs.
Requiring an Online Pass be purchased from Disc 1 means you can't just install Disc 2 and then mail it to your friend. If he wants to play online he would still need to borrow a copy of Disc 1 to purchase the pass. And even if that happens Microsoft still gets the $15, which is what they'd see from someone who bought the game used anyways.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
With halo id say a large potion of the userbase are getting it preowned. An online code makes sense to some degree, all that back end server stuff ect cant be cheap at all and if revenue is coming from only half the player base, from a buiness stand point i could see all that stuff becoming alot less appealing.
Mass Effect 2 Cerberus Network was my favorite example of project $10 done right, for anyone who dosnt know it members of the Cerberus Network were given multiple offerings of small DLC at regular intervals but larger DLC still had to be purchased.
Its not really applicable to halo in that sense unless Halo 4 is the start of SP DLC (which i would love but i doubt).
I can see locking preowned people out of the online having a negative effect aswell however some people are less inclined to play multiplayer when they have to pay $10 to unlock it.
Its a double edge sword and i dont think Halo (bar any microsoft interference) will adopt it but i cant certainly see its appeal.
ElRenoRaven
Member
You're nuts man. Online passes are anti consumer bullshit.
Bregmann Roche
Member
You're right. Wanting the company that makes my favorite game/franchise to make more money, at no additional expense to me, so they can continue to expand the game/franchise experience is silly. What was I thinking. Silly Bregmann. Silly silly Bregmann.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Preowned games are Anti-Industry bullshit, you might aswell pirate it your not helping anyone but the stores.
Power to the player >_>
Steelyuhas
Member
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, the way the disc installs work on the Xbox, you can't avoid a disc swap just from an install. If you have both discs installs for Battlefield 3, you still have to swap discs to play Campaign or Multiplayer.
ElRenoRaven
Member
ROFLMAO. Yes because every industry that has allowed their product to be sold used has disappeared from the face of the earth. Oh wait. No that's because they don't treat their customers like shit. My bad.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Yeah your right, im wrong for wanting a industry to profit and not some scummy chain store. I never said it would be the death of an industry i said its not helping them.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
And in that case, Microsoft will just give it to Valve for the reboot
Bregmann Roche
Member
Used market helps only cheap-ass retailers. Cheap-ass retailers don't make the games that you love, they are in the business of doing the least amount of work they need to do in order to get your money. You are advocating for them and not for the people that make the games that you love.
I'm not voting for a $10 code to play online. I want Halo to be free forever, but if 343 wants to increase revenue in order to strengthen their business at no cost to me then I'm not going to go occupy Redmond over it.
As either I can see how 343 making MORE money rather than LESS benefits me. Why should money from the used market support a gamestop store that offers me shitty service every time I'm there and terrible deals on new game purchases?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
dem dislikes
No remakes, spiritual successors are okay.
I've found that I've enjoyed the spiritual successor of a map that's been designed for the Halo it's in more than remakes of the same map. Although at this point they might as well include Hang Em High on the Halo 4 disc, since it's ended up in every single Halo now.
Valhalla > Coag/Blood Gulch
Longshore > Hang Em High
Guardian > Lockout/Blackout
Assembly > Backwash
Countdown > Construct
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I really like High Ground.
What up Devo's Crew?
What up Devo's Crew?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I am of knowing that feeling brosepi
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
It wasn't in Halo 3... Was it?
lol no one likes boss nasti
Longshore was based off Hang Em High, to the point that it still has the HeH bases on it. I did a writeup here and I'm currently working on a Forge variant of High Noon that ports Longshore to the map.
ncsuDuncan
Member
KidA Seven
Member
Steelyuhas
Member
I guess Fyrewulff is counting Longshore as a spiritual successor.
It certainly has its influence on Longshore, but I wouldn't say that Hang em' High was in Halo 3.
ElRenoRaven
Member
It's this simple. Businesses die and businesses survive. That's business. Sales of used games aren't going to shut any business down. Only poor management and poor business practices will. Do I feel sorry if a developer closes. No I don't. Because at the end of the day they are a business. They made their choices which lead to that.
I've seen developers I love close. I was sad but at the end of the day I understood that they either made choices that weren't profitable. Just do me a favor and honestly look at each company that is using online passes and used game sales as a scape goat. Honestly look at it.
You have EA who turns a huge profit every year. And until the online passes started all without using them. Who also ban people from playing their games in any form if you say something they don't like on their forum. I'm not talking profane hateful stuff either. You have THQ who releases some of the worst licensed crap there is. Granted they're trying to stop that. They're making strides. You have a developer who makes some extremely buggy games and who has treated customers on the PC like such crap that they've quit buying their games. At the same time they make some of the worst shovelware games there are. Those are but a few.
Also ask yourself this. Why is it that they use passes yet companies such as Activision, Nintendo, Microsoft, Rockstar, etc, etc don't resort to online passes? What is the difference? What do they do differently that they don't have to use them?
At the end of the day neither of us will change each others minds. So I've seen this discussion many times before on neogaf proper. It always ends the same. Both sides calling each other names and being insulting to each. I almost fell into that here. I'm not going to though. In fact I'll apologize for saying you guys are crazy. I'll just say I'm glad Microsoft doesn't use online passes and would hope they don't start and leave it at that and be done.
I count spirtual sucessors as the map being there, because it sure as shit felt redundant having both Blackout and Guardian in Halo 3. What a waste of a map slot.
I mean, look at the heatmaps. Redundant map is redundant. Yes, one of the heatmaps has been flipped, but my point stands.
Steelyuhas
Member
I don't feel that at all, but Blackout was a waste because they should have just actually made a true remake to Lockout if it was supposed to be a Lockout remake.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Just finished a marathon recording session. The Superintendent is going to be busy.
I agree. I really hope Midship isn't remade, we already have Zealot.I count spirtual sucessors as the map being there, because it sure as shit felt redundant having both Blackout and Guardian in Halo 3. What a waste of a map slot.
I mean, look at the heatmaps. Redundant map is redundant.
Steelyuhas
Member
I hope Midship never comes back ever, most overrated map in Halo history. It's like sending Alabama to the title game instead of the true challenger, Chiron TL-34.
Zealot is closer to Desolation than Midship, though. The only similarity between Zealot and Midship is they're both like purple drank for my eyes.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I just watched the Starry Night trailer for the first time in, like, two years. It's still chilling. So well done.
Huh, somehow I never noticed that! Calling it a remake is a stretch, but the influence is pretty direct.
Just look at the basic layout of the maps. 2 bases, streets that lead to a struggle for power and map control. (pink=gold) each base has 2 levels and the middle has multiple levels as well. It's pretty obvious.